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Aug 8, 2022 12:18:05   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
Samsung S21-5G already has a 45MP Telephoto Camera.
This is about 2 years old @ this point.

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Aug 8, 2022 12:19:27   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Half the UHH community can still remember riding on Conestoga wagons ...



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Aug 8, 2022 12:28:05   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
stanikon wrote:
Being able to access it in limited circumstances and for limited purposes is much different than regular, daily use. 100 years from now our current technologies will be accessible but who will want to do that? E.g. who still uses a dot-matrix printer? Who of those reading this can change a Conestoga wheel?


My point was that all that technology is secondary to creating the image. We rely on that technology now, but it’s not like in 100 years there will be an immediate break between what we have now and what’s used then. In 1918 maybe someone recorded a song on a cylinder. In the 1930’s maybe that song was transferred to an acetate disc. Then when vinyl lp’s came into vogue it was put on an album. The ‘70s came about and you could hear it on a cassette tape, then the ‘80s and it’s a CD. Now you just stream it. You still have easy access to a song originally recorded over 100 years ago. Same with photos. You can go online and view photos taken during the Civil War. It’s actually much easier with digital because as long as you know the file format you can display the data.

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Aug 8, 2022 16:18:15   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Not much, but I still use some. Sure the film and chemicals might not have existed 100 years ago but the basic techniques are still with us. I think technology has become somewhat of a crutch for those who don't want to spend time learning and applying the basic principles of photography.
--Bob
stanikon wrote:
Anyone who thinks we are right now at the pinnacle of photography is very short-sighted. Look at it this way: how much 100 year-old technology do we use right now? Answer: not much. So how much of today's technology will still be in use 100 years from now? At the rate we are progressing very, very little, if any (assuming civilization still exists 100 years from now).

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Aug 8, 2022 17:01:08   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
In all the discussion about photographic MEDIA, I think back to loss of much early motion picture work due to long term instability of the Acitate Film and poor storage conditions.
If wr think we might have learned our lesson from that, we are sadly mistaken! Much videotape of [Especially] local TV production was lost due to the practice of Re-use of the Videotape for cost considerations.
Now the UHH tribe discusses wiping their camera memory cards for re-use!

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Aug 8, 2022 17:07:33   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Nothing wrong with formatting memory cards after the data has been successfully transferred to hard drives.

Why not format and re-use memory cards?
--Bob
delder wrote:
In all the discussion about photographic MEDIA, I think back to loss of much early motion picture work due to long term instability of the Acitate Film and poor storage conditions.
If wr think we might have learned our lesson from that, we are sadly mistaken! Much videotape of [Especially] local TV production was lost due to the practice of Re-use of the Videotape for cost considerations.
Now the UHH tribe discusses wiping their camera memory cards for re-use!

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Aug 8, 2022 17:57:33   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
rmalarz wrote:
Not much, but I still use some. Sure the film and chemicals might not have existed 100 years ago but the basic techniques are still with us. I think technology has become somewhat of a crutch for those who don't want to spend time learning and applying the basic principles of photography.
--Bob


I agree with you in principle for the most part. Technology is used by everyone now whether they realize it or not. No matter what kind of digital camera you use, if the output is jpeg then the camera has done much of your PP for you. If you shoot RAW then you need to use modern technology to achieve your desired result. Technology, however, cannot compensate for poor composition or poor subject matter for the most part. The photographer still needs to exercise judgement, talent and skill to get a good or even acceptable photograph.

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Aug 8, 2022 18:07:11   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Sometimes I arrive at just the right time when a thousand RAW files will surely capture something.

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Aug 8, 2022 23:46:10   #
kcooke Loc: Alabama
 
rmalarz wrote:
Nothing wrong with formatting memory cards after the data has been successfully transferred to hard drives.

Why not format and re-use memory cards?
--Bob


👍. I agree Bob. I download my photographs as soon as I walk in the door and then format the card for the next trip

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Aug 9, 2022 01:45:32   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
delder wrote:
In all the discussion about photographic MEDIA, I think back to loss of much early motion picture work due to long term instability of the Acitate Film and poor storage conditions.
If wr think we might have learned our lesson from that, we are sadly mistaken! Much videotape of [Especially] local TV production was lost due to the practice of Re-use of the Videotape for cost considerations.
Now the UHH tribe discusses wiping their camera memory cards for re-use!


Completely different situation. Sure you could lose digital files but it’s a lot harder and very easy to have backups. I wipe my card every time I upload the photos. Cards are not a great storage medium.

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Aug 9, 2022 11:38:09   #
JBRIII
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
As someone that writes computer code for a living I have to disagree. All of the technologies mentioned are ancillary to producing an image. Having a digital image file is about as archival as you can get. As technology advances, even if an entirely new format is developed it’s not a major push to convert data. As for the interfaces also not a big deal. You want to hook up a dot matrix printer to your laptop? You can get a USB to parallel port cable. You can get both 3 1/2” and 5 1/4” drives with USB connections. Unless something is a fringe technology there will be a way to access it. Punch cards? You can build a reader pretty easily or you could optically scan them and write an easy program to interpret.
As someone that writes computer code for a living ... (show quote)


If you know where to get a portable USB 5.25 floppy drive, please let me know. Things do change, but I have searched for such a device many times and never found one, 3.5, CD reader, yes, but a 5.25 floppy drive.
Thanks;
Jim

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Aug 9, 2022 12:22:32   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
Might try to locate a legacy computer 🖥 E/W 5.25 and 3.5 Floppy Drives then migrate from there.
Better yet a 5.25 & USB so you can go right to a Thumb Drive.
5.25 & 3.5 could run on the same controller card/port. Sometimes a little header adapter would be needed. You might even find a Classic Computer hobbiest that has thise setup up & running! Good Luck!

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Aug 9, 2022 12:25:43   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
JBRIII wrote:
If you know where to get a portable USB 5.25 floppy drive, please let me know. Things do change, but I have searched for such a device many times and never found one, 3.5, CD reader, yes, but a 5.25 floppy drive.
Thanks;
Jim


Hmmm... the 5.25" drives predate the IDE interface. In fact, originally they were meant as smaller versions of the 8" drives and were almost all hardware driven. This is why it is still possible to find USB 3.5" floppy drives, but no USB 5.25" drives.

While a floppy - USB interface *did* exist (http://www.deviceside.com/fc5025.html), it's not listed anywhere I'm aware of.

Or, you could do a massive hack like this one: http://cowlark.com/fluxengine/doc/building.html

Well... this a perfect example of how obsolete tech simply fades into oblivion. We can still read hieroglyphs because we just need our eyes and knowledge. Bur for reading digital media, we need tech and A LOT of knowledge.

Also, the technology gets more and more delicate... while by normal standards (compared to our lifetimes), high-tech items (computers, cameras, etc.) are sturdy and last long, on a larger time frame they are pretty weak and once they really stop working, there is no way to bring them back. No way to revive a dead chip.

What is valuable, is the data... if it gets regularly transferred to new media (SD to disk, dist to cloud, etc.) then it can be preserved, but the original media will be unreadable.

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Aug 9, 2022 13:13:35   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
Find old computer E/W 5.25 & 3.5 drives or someone who HAS this system up & running. Do a 2 step conversion. Or 5.25 & USB [rare].

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Aug 9, 2022 23:22:25   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
JBRIII wrote:
If you know where to get a portable USB 5.25 floppy drive, please let me know. Things do change, but I have searched for such a device many times and never found one, 3.5, CD reader, yes, but a 5.25 floppy drive.
Thanks;
Jim


I misstated. You can’t buy a 5 1/4 USB drive. You need a 5 1/4 drive, (readily available on eBay), and this adapter to connect via USB.
http://www.deviceside.com/

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