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Aug 7, 2022 15:44:42   #
Jrwil
 
Appears to me in-camera focus stacking could be accomplished

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Aug 7, 2022 17:42:33   #
goldenyears Loc: Lake Osewgo
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Think of how images coming out of cell phones can be zoomed, edited and HDR-ed. Some of this is already occurring there.


I'm waiting for a Canon cellphone.

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Aug 7, 2022 17:46:26   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Jrwil wrote:
Appears to me in-camera focus stacking could be accomplished


Olympus and Panasonic already do it.

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Aug 7, 2022 21:33:08   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
MrBob wrote:
I guess I was fishing for folks like you with the expertise to speculate on specifics of where you think AI etc... is going to take us. I just saw an ad for a Canon 3D virtual reality lens... Don't know a thing about it but things like this are interesting, at least to me anyway. Oh well, Nothing but change.... will be interesting to see what the next 25+ page discussion will be about.


If your wondering where AI is going in Photography, google DALL-e. It's an application that generates very realistic images just from a natural language query. No camera or photographer involved. At this stage, it almost impossible to fathom where computational photography and AI will end. Currently, some of the new desktop computers have AI engines built directly into the CPU, so you know there's more to come. The only thing for sure, is that it will amaze the younger generations and cause cardiac arrest in the older generations.

The only real question is, as artists, how do we embrace it?

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Aug 7, 2022 21:57:10   #
joehel2 Loc: Cherry Hill, NJ
 
Just read that I Phone 14 Pro will have a 45mp camera and possibly a big jump in optical zoom capability. It’s the camera you always have with you.

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Aug 7, 2022 22:34:11   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
Agree the gap is somewhat narrowing between "Classic" DSLR/ML Camera and Advanced Smartphone camera capabilities.

Another thought, as previously stated on UHH, " The best Camera is the one you have with you!

The Ubiquity of the Smartphone allows it to grab fleeting images sometimes unavailable to your Clasic camera kit.

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Aug 8, 2022 07:57:27   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
SalvageDiver wrote:
If your wondering where AI is going in Photography, google DALL-e. It's an application that generates very realistic images just from a natural language query. No camera or photographer involved. At this stage, it almost impossible to fathom where computational photography and AI will end. Currently, some of the new desktop computers have AI engines built directly into the CPU, so you know there's more to come. The only thing for sure, is that it will amaze the younger generations and cause cardiac arrest in the older generations.

The only real question is, as artists, how do we embrace it?
If your wondering where AI is going in Photography... (show quote)


I like your last line a lot.... We could have 25 pages just addressing that. In fact, that is an excellent question to post on it's own merits. Thanks for your thoughtful response.

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Aug 8, 2022 08:06:37   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Paul hit the nail on the head here. No matter what your endeavor, photography, sports, music, art, etc. the way you get better is to do it. But just going out and doing it in itself won’t make you better if you just shoot the same way. View shooting as “practice” and good practice isn’t just repetition. It’s evaluating your results, determining what you want to work on and focusing on that when you shoot. It should include technical skills, learning the different focus and metering modes, knowing which modes to use depending on the situation, learning to control focus points, basically knowing how to get the most out of your camera. It should also include learning to evaluate scenes. Should I use a certain shutter speed or f-stop? Is everything in the frame? Is too much in the frame? Is there something about the scene that requires exposure compensation? Does the angle I’m shooting from offer the best background? Do you have a local camera club? My main impetus for joining was to get better peer review. It’s nice getting accolades from friends and family but I wanted critiques from those more knowledgeable. I feel my work has steadily improved over the few years I’ve been in a club.
Paul hit the nail on the head here. No matter wha... (show quote)


A great and thoughtful response... I myself concur 100%. I myself have gone from a bottom dweller mucker to a middle of the road mucker. Lots of accomplished and very knowledgeable people on the hog. Practice and learning go hand in hand regardless of the camera brand or format. In my OP I was trying to just stimulate thoughts on just WHERE Photog. was headed with all the recent advances... If smartphone marketers can just get the new generation involved enough to USE all these advances there might be hope. Point and shoot just takes all the interest and fun away.

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Aug 8, 2022 08:19:02   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
MrBob wrote:
I like your last line a lot.... We could have 25 pages just addressing that. In fact, that is an excellent question to post on it's own merits. Thanks for your thoughtful response.


I believe it will be more straightforward than most of the community thinks...

We were born in a strange moment of history, where constant technological progress is the rule. We actually expect that the next generation of mobile phones, cameras, cars, etc. to be more advanced as today's models.

The new camera CPU's incorporating more powerful AI functions, etc. will be embraced for the ones who need them or like to use them. A camera is just a toolbox... technical progress just adds more tools to the box and also refines the existing ones. It is the photographer who chooses which tools to use.

As an amateur and a pure RAW shooter, I'd probably not use such in-camera features... this would resemble *work* too much. I like more to sit in front of the computer, cull, edit, tweak and contemplate my creations than quickly make a SOOC photo, for which I won't be paid anyway.

Others will embrace the chance to quickly frame the action, shoot, and send an acceptable photo to a news-portal - before another competitor does - to make money. Or to send to their families, or social media, or whatever.

We are already used to embrace new tools... think of eye-AF, etc. The new features just come in a somewhat regular pace, therefore most photographers always have - if they want - time to adapt.

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Aug 8, 2022 09:33:11   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
AI/Technology advances in the Art & Science of Photography with be with us for a LONG time!
Right now Medical Imaging uses a wonderful variety of technology to obtain insight into the human body. What if the technology of sonogram [for example] was applied to Photography?
Remember we already used acoustic rangefinders in Polaroid Cameras years ago!

I feel this topic will live on in UHH

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Aug 8, 2022 10:49:45   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
Anyone who thinks we are right now at the pinnacle of photography is very short-sighted. Look at it this way: how much 100 year-old technology do we use right now? Answer: not much. So how much of today's technology will still be in use 100 years from now? At the rate we are progressing very, very little, if any (assuming civilization still exists 100 years from now).

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Aug 8, 2022 11:00:04   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
stanikon wrote:
Anyone who thinks we are right now at the pinnacle of photography is very short-sighted. Look at it this way: how much 100 year-old technology do we use right now? Answer: not much. So how much of today's technology will still be in use 100 years from now? At the rate we are progressing very, very little, if any (assuming civilization still exists 100 years from now).


It is worse than that... 100 year old technology is so rudimentary and autonomous that it is not very difficult to use today... just mix some silver nitrate, and you are good to go. *BUT* today's tech is so absolutely dependent of a mesh of different other technologies (WiFi, cellular networks, batteries, USB connectivity, card readers, software licenses, etc.) that it will be absolutely impossible to use in 20 years, don't even think about in 100 years.

Just try to connect a parallel dot matrix printer to a modern laptop

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Aug 8, 2022 11:59:25   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
jlg1000 wrote:
It is worse than that... 100 year old technology is so rudimentary and autonomous that it is not very difficult to use today... just mix some silver nitrate, and you are good to go. *BUT* today's tech is so absolutely dependent of a mesh of different other technologies (WiFi, cellular networks, batteries, USB connectivity, card readers, software licenses, etc.) that it will be absolutely impossible to use in 20 years, don't even think about in 100 years.

Just try to connect a parallel dot matrix printer to a modern laptop
It is worse than that... 100 year old technology i... (show quote)


As someone that writes computer code for a living I have to disagree. All of the technologies mentioned are ancillary to producing an image. Having a digital image file is about as archival as you can get. As technology advances, even if an entirely new format is developed it’s not a major push to convert data. As for the interfaces also not a big deal. You want to hook up a dot matrix printer to your laptop? You can get a USB to parallel port cable. You can get both 3 1/2” and 5 1/4” drives with USB connections. Unless something is a fringe technology there will be a way to access it. Punch cards? You can build a reader pretty easily or you could optically scan them and write an easy program to interpret.

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Aug 8, 2022 12:07:52   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
As someone that writes computer code for a living I have to disagree. All of the technologies mentioned are ancillary to producing an image. Having a digital image file is about as archival as you can get. As technology advances, even if an entirely new format is developed it’s not a major push to convert data. As for the interfaces also not a big deal. You want to hook up a dot matrix printer to your laptop? You can get a USB to parallel port cable. You can get both 3 1/2” and 5 1/4” drives with USB connections. Unless something is a fringe technology there will be a way to access it.
As someone that writes computer code for a living ... (show quote)


Being able to access it in limited circumstances and for limited purposes is much different than regular, daily use. 100 years from now our current technologies will be accessible but who will want to do that? E.g. who still uses a dot-matrix printer? Who of those reading this can change a Conestoga wheel?

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Aug 8, 2022 12:16:48   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
stanikon wrote:
Being able to access it in limited circumstances and for limited purposes is much different than regular, daily use. 100 years from now our current technologies will be accessible but who will want to do that? E.g. who still uses a dot-matrix printer? Who of those reading this can change a Conestoga wheel?


Half the UHH community can still remember riding on Conestoga wagons ...

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