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Aug 6, 2022 07:47:16   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
We should be about winding up debates about mirrorless vs. non-mirrorless so maybe a topic change might be more interesting and productive. Looking at an ad for Topaz Denoise I was wondering that with all the advances in chips, algorithms and computational photography we might see programs like this migrate to the actual camera body. It would seem like the next logical step in photographic evolution... I also saw a Canon ad for 3D VR lenses... Seems to me there are pretty exciting things on the horizon to think about and discuss. What do you all think ? BTW, this is from a non-professional enthusiast viewpoint . Bob

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Aug 6, 2022 08:00:24   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Think of how images coming out of cell phones can be zoomed, edited and HDR-ed. Some of this is already occurring there.

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Aug 6, 2022 08:09:12   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Think of how images coming out of cell phones can be zoomed, edited and HDR-ed. Some of this is already occurring there.


Yes, but I hesitated to mention cell cams as I did not want to reignite REAL camera vs. Faux camera debates.

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Aug 6, 2022 08:26:11   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
MrBob wrote:
Yes, but I hesitated to mention cell cams as I did not want to reignite REAL camera vs. Faux camera debates.


As time goes by, that may be the only remaining difference, beyond not ordering pizza on a interchangeable lens camera.

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Aug 6, 2022 08:39:39   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
Well, one potential major change might be to the imaging chips themselves - rather than being flat to be manufactured in a spherical shape with the concave side facing the lens. This would eliminate a lot of optical correction for having to deal with different distances from the focal point of the lens to the center or edge of the chip.

Of course, it would imply no more "bologna slices" off 12" idameter silicon logs and likely entail an entirely new approach to manufacture, but I read abut the concept years back. So, who knows?

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Aug 6, 2022 08:39:40   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
MrBob wrote:
Yes, but I hesitated to mention cell cams as I did not want to reignite REAL camera vs. Faux camera debates.

Uh? WTH is a false camera???
It records stills? It is camera.
It records videos? It is a video camera.

While the end quality is not the same, one cannot deny they are cameras, so... Your 'faux camera debate'? You shot yourself in the foot with this statement.

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Aug 6, 2022 09:01:20   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Uh? WTH is a false camera???
It records stills? It is camera.
It records videos? It is a video camera.

While the end quality is not the same, one cannot deny they are cameras, so... Your 'faux camera debate'? You shot yourself in the foot with this statement.


Come on Ron, lets not start all this non sense again... I LOVE my iPhone cam. NOT degrading them.... I was talking about non believers coming out of the closet restarting these stupid debates which go nowhere. Phone cams are where the market demand is ... Sorry if my post was misleading. bob

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Aug 6, 2022 09:08:49   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
MrBob wrote:
We should be about winding up debates about mirrorless vs. non-mirrorless so maybe a topic change might be more interesting and productive. Looking at an ad for Topaz Denoise I was wondering that with all the advances in chips, algorithms and computational photography we might see programs like this migrate to the actual camera body. It would seem like the next logical step in photographic evolution... I also saw a Canon ad for 3D VR lenses... Seems to me there are pretty exciting things on the horizon to think about and discuss. What do you all think ? BTW, this is from a non-professional enthusiast viewpoint . Bob
We should be about winding up debates about mirror... (show quote)


On one hand, a computer chip is a computer chip, right?

But, that isn't really the case. The chips in cameras are highly-specialized and purpose built to digital cameras. Even your best personal computer can't convert 12 RAW files to JPEG in less than a second. There's no reason for camera chip designs to be redesigned to mimic desktop computers, that's why there's desktop computers and post processing.

Phones are a different story, as well as a different chip design approach, something moving more toward the richer functionality / general-purpose capability of personal computers than specialized cameras.

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Aug 6, 2022 10:45:39   #
kpmac Loc: Ragley, La
 
So when that all comes to pass why not just send the camera out with a toddler and let them take the pictures? What's the fun or the art of letting the camera do it all? I am not against new technology but let's consider where we want to end up.

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Aug 6, 2022 10:53:43   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
kpmac wrote:
... but let's consider where we want to end up.
Free market economy will determine that, not folks who have been taking pictures for 50+ years - unless we spend a lot more money to keep the old technology

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Aug 6, 2022 13:39:04   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Well, I just thought it might be interesting to maybe talk about Where the future is taking us, NOT lamenting about the past... Paul brought up an interesting bit of info about chips and that was the type of response I was hoping to get with the question. Meanwhile, I make the best of what I have... Bob

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Aug 7, 2022 08:14:03   #
Red6
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Think of how images coming out of cell phones can be zoomed, edited and HDR-ed. Some of this is already occurring there.


Yes, I think the new word for it is computational photography. I just bought my wife a new iPhone 13 Pro Max and the photos are stunning. And, most of the magic is the software, since it is working with very small lenses and sensor.

We have been shooting side by side for the last few weeks, she with her iPhone 13 and me with my Sony RX100 v3 and GoPro 10. I left my Sony a6400 kit at home this trip. I would have to say that her images and videos are better in most cases. Almost makes me consider dumping all my gear and getting an iPhone 13 for travel. When you factor in the ease of carrying the iPhone, it is a serious consideration for most situations while traveling.

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Aug 7, 2022 08:21:18   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Red6 wrote:
Yes, I think the new word for it is computational photography. I just bought my wife a new iPhone 13 Pro Max and the photos are stunning. And, most of the magic is the software, since it is working with very small lenses and sensor.

We have been shooting side by side for the last few weeks, she with her iPhone 13 and me with my Sony RX100 v3 and GoPro 10. I left my Sony a6400 kit at home this trip. I would have to say that her images and videos are better in most cases. Almost makes me consider dumping all my gear and getting an iPhone 13 for travel. When you factor in the ease of carrying the iPhone, it is a serious consideration for most situations while traveling.
Yes, I think the new word for it is computational ... (show quote)


Agreed. For snapshots on trips I use my phone. For serious work I also take my a1.

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Aug 7, 2022 08:48:51   #
Red6
 
billnikon wrote:
Agreed. For snapshots on trips I use my phone. For serious work I also take my a1.


Well, the sad truth is that I have come to realize that most of my images can be categorized as "snapshots". While I have spent a lot of money on capable equipment, classes, books, watching how-to videos, and practice, most of my images are still just "snapshots". I have taken seminars and gone on field trips with professional photographers and honestly, most of the images taken by me and those around me were just "snapshots".

I have seen this phenomenon before and do not want to fall into that trap. I used to work with a couple of avid golfers. They were always buying the next best thing hoping to improve their game - new clubs, new balls, different design clubs, etc. They were spending lots of money and basically seeing little or no improvement. What I think was happening is that they had hit the wall of their abilities and talents. No matter what equipment they used, it was their talent and abilities that were their limiting factor. Not wanting to admit that, they were compensating by buying better (more expensive) equipment in the hope of improving their game.

I have to wonder if that same issue describes me and many others in this photography hobby. We are always trying to achieve that great once-in-a-lifetime image that will validate our photography pursuits. Maybe it is time to step out the race and just enjoy our "snapshots" with whatever equipment we have on hand.

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Aug 7, 2022 09:02:59   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Uh? WTH is a false camera???
It records stills? It is camera.
It records videos? It is a video camera.


I 100% agree. If it has four legs and barks, then it's a dog.

Imaging devices, AKA cameras, are advancing at an incredible pace. Well see many improvements emerging... besides that, as a RAW shooter, I don't care very much on having those algorithm embedded in the camera... I prefer to use them - or not - later in PP.

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