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Aug 3, 2022 23:25:46   #
gdotts
 
Thanks for everything!

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Aug 4, 2022 02:27:32   #
Orphoto Loc: Oregon
 
The 3 sizes are for JPGs only. As mentioned in the other post, there is only 1raw size, full.

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Aug 4, 2022 05:05:40   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
gdotts wrote:
Sold ALL my Canon gear (35 years sideline football photographer) for Nikon gear. Drawn to the beautiful more colorful sharpened Nikon pictures my friends seem to have.
Canon allways seems so soft and lifeless I liked Nikon's picture control, especially VIVID but VIVID seem a little to unreal. I know I can adjust in camera picture control (D800) but what do you suggest?? Shooting Blue Angel's soon.


Try this site, where You can create and download your own settings or try presets that emulate other cameras.

https://nikonpc.com/

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Aug 4, 2022 06:06:32   #
jcboy3
 
Orphoto wrote:
The 3 sizes are for JPGs only. As mentioned in the other post, there is only 1raw size, full.


I have lots of file size options with my Nikon Z cameras. 12-bit or 14-bit, uncompressed, lossless compressed, compressed. Full frame or cropped. Sampled or full readout.

If I don't want big files, I usually set 12-bit, lossless compressed, sampled readout.

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Aug 4, 2022 06:16:30   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
"Canon always seems so soft and lifeless." Well, you have not asked Sebastiao Salgado why he left Leica in favor of Canon. He used Nikon prior to Canon but he says he was "disappointed" and switched to Canon.

"For me personally, I prefer the more neutral settings and if I want to further saturate a color, or colors I will do that in post processing." You will always find me shooting STANDARD colors because I prefer pastel colors. NX Studio, my recommendation for initial editing of Nikon RAW data, has the Picture Control built-in for those who prefer to manipulate colors. I use global color adjustments when I need to but you will not see me going to Vivid or any other colors that depart from what I saw when I made the image. Nikon Standard colors have satisfied my needs and taste.

Since I have been using Olympus mirrorless cameras I have been very happy with the colors Olympus offers in their Natural setting. Ken Rockwell likes to exaggerate the colors in his images and it is my understanding that he uses Nikon but I do not know if he uses Lightroom or Nikon software for that purpose.

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Aug 4, 2022 06:55:20   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I withheld an editorial on your past post. Sadly, you're misunderstanding digital photography, and especially RAW processing.

Sharpening is a post processing technique that applies to any / all cameras. Nothing unique to Nikon.

Saturation, Contrast, and White Balance adjustments are post processing techniques that apply to any / all cameras. Nothing unique to Nikon.

VIVID is a Nikon-unique picture control. You said you plan to shoot in RAW. Although you can set the camera to VIVID, in RAW this sitting can be removed / modified, as well as you can use Standard and modify the RAW to any level of saturation desired. All things you could have done with your Canon equipment, or Sony, or Olympus, or Fuji, or any camera that captures in RAW.

For a while, I used Canon's Landscape to 'up' the saturation of blues and greens and sharpening. Then, I learned where / how to better manage these settings in my digital editor. Now, I have very discrete sharpening, using masks, and I don't have over-saturated and unrealistic blues and greens. Where desired in your digital editor, you can saturate individual colors and / or the luminance (brightness) of individual colors, things far more effective and precise than a global picture control.

You didn't respond in your prior thread to the software you'll use for RAW processing. This is the key question, along with your workflow and level of digital editing experience, things that matter far more important than the high-end equipment model and brand you plan to shoot in RAW.

Alas, prior to jumping ship, you could have presented some example images and asked how to modify your EOS settings to achieve similar results to those you were admiring. The answer might have been in the JPEG camera settings. Or, it could have been to shoot in RAW and edit. We can't go back in time now and confirm.
I withheld an editorial on your past post. Sadly, ... (show quote)


It's his belief about camera's. It's allowed. Not the most important thing in the world right now.

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Aug 4, 2022 09:13:01   #
BurghByrd Loc: Pittsburgh
 
No arguments with what's been said here on this already but sometimes it's helpful to have a differnt perspective. The following Photography Life article is a discussion of the differences between RAW and JPeg, it says the same a little differently.

https://photographylife.com/raw-vs-jpeg

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Aug 4, 2022 09:16:03   #
Orphoto Loc: Oregon
 
[quote=jcboy3]I have lots of file size options with my Nikon Z cameras. 12-bit or 14-bit,

This is about OP and his d800. He asked about shooting in raw and then inquired about the 3 different resolution sizes. It is not about z bodies, compressions or bit depths. At this rate we are going to have numerous threads before he has any grasp on raw files.

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Aug 4, 2022 09:16:46   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
gdotts wrote:
Sold ALL my Canon gear (35 years sideline football photographer) for Nikon gear. Drawn to the beautiful more colorful sharpened Nikon pictures my friends seem to have.
Canon allways seems so soft and lifeless I liked Nikon's picture control, especially VIVID but VIVID seem a little to unreal. I know I can adjust in camera picture control (D800) but what do you suggest?? Shooting Blue Angel's soon.


Picture controls apply only to the JPEG files. The RAW file option doesn’t use those controls and is intended for the user to apply any enhancements in post processing.

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Aug 4, 2022 09:17:38   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Orphoto wrote:
This is about OP and his d800. He asked about shooting in raw and then inquired about the 3 different resolution sizes. It is not about z bodies, compressions or bit depths. At this rate we are going to have numerous posts before he has any grasp on raw files.


Ref the earlier contribution on Z-bodies, note how the day-2 contributors are always the most useful UHH community members ...

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Aug 4, 2022 10:15:41   #
photoman43
 
I prefer Standard over Vivid in Nikon Picture Controls. Google Picture Controls for Nikon and you will see lots of info on what others set, especially i they shoot Jpeg and not RAW.

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Aug 4, 2022 10:44:10   #
gdotts
 
Thanks for all the information. One last question...Adobe RGB or sRGB? I have gone back and forth over this through out the years and what I see is Adobe RGB seems to offer more (whheather I need it or not). Your take??

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Aug 4, 2022 10:56:19   #
b top gun
 
I find Nikon's NX Studio free software fine for almost all my photo editing needs, especially since I shoot three different Nikon DSLRs and NX Studio can handle NEF files from all of them. I used to shoot "Standard" but have moved away to "Vivid" and "Landscape" and sometimes even "Monochrome" with select filters applied. Because I shoot both JPG and RAW, I post process only the NEF files I want to; I have no time to process every NEF file from every image my Nikons capture. Using NX Studio is just like using the in camera picture control options in my Nikons. Under less than ideal shooting conditions, either vivid or landscape will add pop to the images and give me a preview of what might be possible editing their NEF file.

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Aug 4, 2022 11:09:48   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
gdotts wrote:
Thanks for all the information. One last question...Adobe RGB or sRGB? I have gone back and forth over this through out the years and what I see is Adobe RGB seems to offer more (whheather I need it or not). Your take??


RAW files do not have a colorspace. So, whether you set Adobe RGB or sRGB, this value only impacts the JPEGs from the camera.

Your Adobe products default to something called ProPhotoRGB, something clearly not even available in your camera. Why? Because RAW files do not have a colorspace. Colorspace is something created by the digital editor when the sensor data is mapped to the target image file format, including the camera in the form of a digital editor that transforms the RAW sensor data into a JPEG format.

There was also a post earlier this year discussing what happens when you select something other than sRGB in your camera: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-736833-1.html

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Aug 4, 2022 12:12:13   #
baron_silverton Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
gdotts wrote:
Sold ALL my Canon gear (35 years sideline football photographer) for Nikon gear. Drawn to the beautiful more colorful sharpened Nikon pictures my friends seem to have.
Canon allways seems so soft and lifeless I liked Nikon's picture control, especially VIVID but VIVID seem a little to unreal. I know I can adjust in camera picture control (D800) but what do you suggest?? Shooting Blue Angel's soon.


Lightroom now has all the Nikon Picture Profiles that you can apply to your RAW files - there is also a slider that you can use to change the intensity (amount) of the profile - so if Vivid is a little too saturated for you, you can adjust it down to your liking.

Good luck :)

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