Subscription Software
Jun 25, 2022 12:48:26 #
rlv567 wrote:
I do recognize, of course, that you are not a photographer unless you use Lightroom/Photoshop. So be it!
Loren – in Beautiful Baguio City
Loren – in Beautiful Baguio City
Wow! So I must make a great mistake. So Edward Weston, Ansel Adams, Minor White etc... and many of them who never used Lightroom/Photoshop were not photographers. Damn, the dictionary must have changed without me knowing
Jun 25, 2022 12:59:42 #
Perhaps a professional who must constantly up grade may pay less but for this hobbyist would not. I started using Adobe Elements in 2002. If I had been paying a subscription since that time my cost would be about $2400. It has been about $900 because I did not upgrade all the time and some of the hardware I purchased offered Elements for free. As a retiree l must watch my monthly expenses and I have no need of the full blown photoshop as Affinity, which I paid a one time cost of $25, works for me. Most of my work is done in Lightroom 6 anyway. I truly wish Adobe would have Lightroom stand alone rather than paying in perpetuity for a program (Photoshop) that I will rarely use. The subscription model seems to be everywhere because it is a constant cash flow for the company. As l said as a retiree l have to watch my cash flow and if it comes to the choice between a subscription and prescription, guess which will win? As far as that old chestnut of we never truly own the software, if one is able to use it forever 10 years for intents and purposes they own it. The bottom line is that how one spends ones money is up to them and while we may disagree there is no need to insult anyone for the choice they made nor tell them how to spend their money. Keep smiling all😎
Jun 25, 2022 13:03:09 #
In fact I would be more than happy to pay $700 for something like the Photoshop CC 2015 and have the same version until now than what I had to do was to pay $120 a year since 2015. The reason I needed the upgrade from PS CS2 at that time because I bought the Nikon Df at the end of 2013 and I had to do the DNG conversion with PS CS2. So until I have a new need. I would be happier with the 2015 edition I could pay a one time $700 for it. I really don't care or know how to use the new features from that point. But in no way I can blame Adobe for that because what they did made them a lot of money and also a lot of happy customers. Just that I isn't one among them,
Jun 25, 2022 13:24:54 #
When I went digital I started trying to adjust my photos digitally. The P&S cameras were jpg only so I didn't expect to be able to do much. But I wanted to do some graphics in addition to adjusting photos so I went with GIMP. After all, I was a New England Farmer, known for their penny-pinching abilities. Using GIMP I was able to learn how to deal with layers and masks. Eventually I 'needed' to do some things that I couldn't do with GIMP so I bit the bullet and spent the big bucks for Photoshop.
The Photoshop UI is very different from the GIMP UI so it took some learning but as long as I knew how to use layers and masks the details were fairly easy to work out.
I expect GIMP has improved in the decades since then, but since I know how to use PS, and since the subscription makes it affordable, I use it.
It appears to me there are three groups that this thread applies to. (1) professionals: they can pass the costs through to their income source. (2) serious amateurs: they don't make money but get satisfaction from working with good tools. (3) casual amateurs: can be satisfied with less than the absolute best (not a bad thing) so they use tools that will do enough to satisfy them.
Groups 1 and 2 have no problems with the subscription. Group 3 wants to minimize costs by using old but serviceable software. The real problem arises when the old software meets the new OS and becomes unserviceable. At that point there are two choices: (A) update the software with the subscription; (B) find new software.
The Photoshop UI is very different from the GIMP UI so it took some learning but as long as I knew how to use layers and masks the details were fairly easy to work out.
I expect GIMP has improved in the decades since then, but since I know how to use PS, and since the subscription makes it affordable, I use it.
It appears to me there are three groups that this thread applies to. (1) professionals: they can pass the costs through to their income source. (2) serious amateurs: they don't make money but get satisfaction from working with good tools. (3) casual amateurs: can be satisfied with less than the absolute best (not a bad thing) so they use tools that will do enough to satisfy them.
Groups 1 and 2 have no problems with the subscription. Group 3 wants to minimize costs by using old but serviceable software. The real problem arises when the old software meets the new OS and becomes unserviceable. At that point there are two choices: (A) update the software with the subscription; (B) find new software.
Jun 25, 2022 13:28:42 #
BebuLamar wrote:
Wow! So I must make a great mistake. So Edward Weston, Ansel Adams, Minor White etc... and many of them who never used Lightroom/Photoshop were not photographers. Damn, the dictionary must have changed without me knowing
Not at all! The only mistake is not recognizing tongue-in-cheek when you see it! (Unless your comment is, also!!!)
Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City
Jun 25, 2022 13:29:20 #
Groups 1 and 2 have no problems with the subscription. Group 3 wants to minimize costs by using old but serviceable software. The real problem arises when the old software meets the new OS and becomes unserviceable. At that point there are two choices: (A) update the software with the subscription; (B) find new software.[/quote]
Sorry to burst your bubble but this serious armature and retiree has problems paying in perpetuity. This is why I have been checking out other software that will accomplish what Lightroom does. Other companies are making great inroads and who knows what the next few years will bring. Never assume anything
Sorry to burst your bubble but this serious armature and retiree has problems paying in perpetuity. This is why I have been checking out other software that will accomplish what Lightroom does. Other companies are making great inroads and who knows what the next few years will bring. Never assume anything
Jun 25, 2022 13:31:15 #
Vanderpix wrote:
Perhaps a professional who must constantly up grad... (show quote)
Absolutely true - and well said!
Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City
Jun 25, 2022 13:33:20 #
Jun 25, 2022 13:39:59 #
Vanderpix wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble but this serious armature and retiree has problems paying in perpetuity. This is why I have been checking out other software that will accomplish what Lightroom does. Other companies are making great inroads and who knows what the next few years will bring. Never assume anything
Give ON1 a try - it's free to try. It does what Lightroom does better than Lightroom, and much easier. It also has essentially the capabilities of Photoshop, all at an affordable price (and my source of income is my minuscule Social Security).
Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City
Jun 25, 2022 13:42:33 #
Davinci Resolve is a very powerful editor. It's also free with free upgrades when they are made.
--Bob
--Bob
jerryc41 wrote:
I know my opinion goes against the grain, but I ha... (show quote)
Jun 25, 2022 13:44:20 #
BebuLamar wrote:
Wow! So I must make a great mistake. So Edward Weston, Ansel Adams, Minor White etc... and many of them who never used Lightroom/Photoshop were not photographers. Damn, the dictionary must have changed without me knowing
Pretty sure that was a joke... Being anything requires more than the tools to do it. There are lots of myths about photography:
[Camera brand X] is best
Full frame is best
Real photographers shoot raw
Real photographers use Adobe products
…and on and on.
All of them can be true or completely specious or just plain BS, depending upon the situation.
Jun 25, 2022 14:01:39 #
burkphoto wrote:
Pretty sure that was a joke... Being anything requires more than the tools to do it. There are lots of myths about photography:
[Camera brand X] is best
Full frame is best
Real photographers shoot raw
Real photographers use Adobe products
…and on and on.
All of them can be true or completely specious or just plain BS, depending upon the situation.
[Camera brand X] is best
Full frame is best
Real photographers shoot raw
Real photographers use Adobe products
…and on and on.
All of them can be true or completely specious or just plain BS, depending upon the situation.
You knew!!! (That sort of thing is common with me! (humor?!)
Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City
Jun 25, 2022 14:44:54 #
Amator21
Loc: California
jerryc41 wrote:
True, but it would be nice to use the advice from the GoPro package. I would be willing to give Adobe a lump sum payment, but they don't want it. They could offer the subscription for those who want or need constant updates, and they could offer it buy-it-once deal for those who just want the program.
I totally agree!
Poul.
Jun 25, 2022 14:47:47 #
rlv567 wrote:
There’s something which hasn’t been addressed in t... (show quote)
Yup, boils down to driving to work in a Civic, Lamborghini, or a Rolls.
Jun 25, 2022 14:56:27 #
Longshadow wrote:
Yup, boils down to driving to work in a Civic, Lamborghini, or a Rolls.
Yes, you're right. Of those, I use the Lamborghini - ON1. (Not that there's really anything wrong with using the Civic or the overpriced Rolls, if that's your choice. People have reasons for their choices - even if it's just to copy somebody they think knows better than they, or because it's the "fashionable" thing to do.)
Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City
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