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Jun 25, 2022 17:44:11   #
gmontjr2350 Loc: Southern NJ
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
When I went digital I started trying to adjust my photos digitally. The P&S cameras were jpg only so I didn't expect to be able to do much. But I wanted to do some graphics in addition to adjusting photos so I went with GIMP. After all, I was a New England Farmer, known for their penny-pinching abilities. Using GIMP I was able to learn how to deal with layers and masks. Eventually I 'needed' to do some things that I couldn't do with GIMP so I bit the bullet and spent the big bucks for Photoshop.

The Photoshop UI is very different from the GIMP UI so it took some learning but as long as I knew how to use layers and masks the details were fairly easy to work out.

I expect GIMP has improved in the decades since then, but since I know how to use PS, and since the subscription makes it affordable, I use it.

It appears to me there are three groups that this thread applies to. (1) professionals: they can pass the costs through to their income source. (2) serious amateurs: they don't make money but get satisfaction from working with good tools. (3) casual amateurs: can be satisfied with less than the absolute best (not a bad thing) so they use tools that will do enough to satisfy them.

Groups 1 and 2 have no problems with the subscription. Group 3 wants to minimize costs by using old but serviceable software. The real problem arises when the old software meets the new OS and becomes unserviceable. At that point there are two choices: (A) update the software with the subscription; (B) find new software.
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Jun 25, 2022 17:55:15   #
jrchip01
 
Take a look at DaVinci Resolve by BlackMagic Design. There is a free version that does most anything ordinary mortals need. YouTube is crammed with instructional videos. If you are in need of more capability, there is a paid version with a one-time fee of $300 with a promise that this covers all future upgrades.

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Jun 25, 2022 20:23:00   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Unfortunately, the only that matters is profit.


Yes unfortunately the whole idea of a business is to make money. Sad sad indeed. Lmao 🤣😂🤣

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Jun 25, 2022 20:30:40   #
gmontjr2350 Loc: Southern NJ
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
Yes unfortunately the whole idea of a business is to make money. Sad sad indeed. Lmao 🤣😂🤣


Maybe he was saying that profit alone isn't the whole point of commerce. The Catholic monk, Thomas Merton, held that we all live in a web of exchange (such as this forum, for example). We, all of us, should be mindful of the consequences of our actions.

George

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Jun 25, 2022 20:38:42   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
Ysarex wrote:
What's obvious is you can't answer my question. Where's the deception? Where's the sneaky? Are they misinforming you? How so?


And to all others with that question, I would say there is potential for some deception by the fact that they claim to provide upgrades/updates to the app as they are invented, developed, or available. I have used PSE for around 15 years or more and only upgrade to a newer version every three or four years. My reasoning: the upgrades are so minimal and inconsistent that it takes three or four years or more to get any really impressive or important and exceptional changes. Why pay the monthly cost (minimum is $9.99) for 12 months (total $119.88) when the program is offered at a discount part way through the year (most generally around $60 to $70) and will suffice for appropriate post processing for several years. Oh yes, and the new versions after a couple/few years has all the upgrades made over that time that were not really all that important as a single small improvement. Additionally the subscription is usually only available as a download and not on a portable drive or item. It is nice to have a physical item to hold when one makes a purchase.

Overall, it just seems the companies are trying to shine sunshine where it never shines and charging people for the privilege to shine that nonexistent sunshine.

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Jun 25, 2022 20:39:09   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
gmontjr2350 wrote:
Maybe he was saying that profit alone isn't the whole point of commerce. The Catholic monk, Thomas Merton, held that we all live in a web of exchange (such as this forum, for example). We, all of us, should be mindful of the consequences of our actions.

George


Oh I understood exactly what he was saying but unfortunately once you have stockholders it's all about the money or the top level fellows or ladies are gone. Small business has the advantage of operating on a moral and value type model. Big business not a chance.

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Jun 25, 2022 20:56:13   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
And to all others with that question, I would say there is potential for some deception by the fact that they claim to provide upgrades/updates to the app as they are invented, developed, or available.

They not only claim that, they do that. They also publish on their website what the upgrades include. They do not then hold a gun to your head and make you purchase them or install them. I see no deception.
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
I have used PSE for around 15 years or more and only upgrade to a newer version every three or four years. My reasoning: the upgrades are so minimal and inconsistent that it takes three or four years or more to get any really impressive or important and exceptional changes. Why pay the monthly cost (minimum is $9.99) for 12 months (total $119.88) when the program is offered at a discount part way through the year (most generally around $60 to $70) and will suffice for appropriate post processing for several years.
I have used PSE for around 15 years or more and on... (show quote)

You're using Elements which is available as a single purchase license and not a subscription. Unless you purchase a new camera not supported by ACR you don't need to upgrade unless you've checked the website and found the update contains a feature you'd like to have -- no deception.
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
Oh yes, and the new versions after a couple/few years has all the upgrades made over that time that were not really all that important as a single small improvement. Additionally the subscription is usually only available as a download and not on a portable drive or item. It is nice to have a physical item to hold when one makes a purchase.

Overall, it just seems the companies are trying to shine sunshine where it never shines and charging people for the privilege to shine that nonexistent sunshine.
Oh yes, and the new versions after a couple/few ye... (show quote)

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Jun 26, 2022 01:54:25   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
Stephan G wrote:
"Ownership"? Software is one of the products that are sold not completely tested. It is expected to fail with the end users being the tell tales. We won't go into actual program ownership.

Like it or not, the only product that we can claim complete ownership is what we ingest. But then, there can be some costs in processing the end results. All large ticket properties can be levied ad-valorem taxes, making the local jurisdiction a unwanted ownership partner. Even property owners with released bank papers still have the various taxes demanded monthly making the jurisdictions partners ad infinitum.

A side stream event that is interesting to follow. The "ownership" of farm equipment that use computers. If one is interested in checking them out, there are many blurbs even on YouTube.

I don't care to delve further in this direction.
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Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jun 26, 2022 01:57:48   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
Longshadow wrote:

That's why I still use Photo Impact Pro v8.5; Elements 14 & 19, and DPP.
Don't need no stinkin' "Lamborghini".

BTW - my car is a 2011 Hyundai Sonata.



And my car is a 2016 Honda --- bike.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jun 26, 2022 02:01:12   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I know you and a lot of people like that but not me.




Agree - and by my evaluation it's not the best!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jun 26, 2022 05:50:32   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
Yes unfortunately the whole idea of a business is to make money. Sad sad indeed. Lmao 🤣😂🤣


Yes, those damn greedy bastards!! How dare they make money to pay their employees' salaries, to contribute half of the contribution to Social Security, Medicare, and in some cases medical coverage. A host of other expenses.. I'm glad you are able to call a spade a spade. You saw right through them.

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Jun 26, 2022 07:16:34   #
gouldopfl
 
When companies are pay programmers 120-160k per year that gets expensive. I used to write logistics software and I spent 500k a year for 4 programmers. That didn't include the three admins I had. Our software in 1995 was 125-400k plus a yearly maintenance fees. I am retired now so even LR/PS is more than I need since I am only shooting for myself now. Luminar Neo works fine.

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Jun 26, 2022 09:12:33   #
Bayou
 
gmontjr2350 wrote:
Maybe he was saying that profit alone isn't the whole point of commerce. The Catholic monk, Thomas Merton, held that we all live in a web of exchange (such as this forum, for example). We, all of us, should be mindful of the consequences of our actions.

George


I visited Merton's hermitage when I was a boy, shortly after his death. I have a photo of my mother (Mamiya Sekor 500TL, 50mm f2.0 lens, Tri-X film)(LOL), washing a dish at his kitchen sink. Even Gethsemane had to run profitable businesses to exist. Those monks, several of whom I knew quite well, were very industrious. Their profits were spent mostly on self support, with some left for charitable works. Profit is a good thing...it makes the world go 'round. Even the most altruistic "non-profit" will cease to exist without making a profit.

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