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May 26, 2022 15:21:00   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
A good example of opinion being expressed as fact.

P.S. Humor and sarcasm are often difficult to recognize in written form. That being typed, if the quote was sarcasm or an attempt at humor, it failed for me.


Oh but but it worked so well fo me!

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May 26, 2022 17:56:50   #
Nickaroo
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I am getting a bit tired of folks stating that "PP is for those who cannot shoot". SOOC is all I need.

This shows either a complete misunderstanding of what PP is about or a rejection due to not being able to use PP correctly. (We see the same type of comment about using flashes, among other things.)

I have posted an example of what a decent PP does to an image.

Note:
This is a stacked image (another form of PP, but this not what I am arguing about in this thread).
I am getting a bit tired of folks stating that &qu... (show quote)


I have always laughed at those that talks about P.P., what do they think went on during the Film Days after they dropped a roll of Film off at their corner Drug Store?

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May 26, 2022 18:00:07   #
Nickaroo
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
I don't need to. How about you prove them with irrefutable facts and evidence.


Wake up and scrub your eyes with a wash rag and you will see the facts as CHG-Canon Stated. The evidence is the proof.

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May 26, 2022 18:06:39   #
Nickaroo
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If you can't see these self-evident truths, you can't see anything.


Paul, there are some people that are just too lazy to Post-Process images because they don't know what or how to do the measurements to do it. You cannot fix lazy. Like I stated earlier, What does this guy think happened back in the Film Days when they dropped that roll of 24exp. Film off at the corner Drug Store?

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May 26, 2022 22:01:50   #
frangeo Loc: Texas
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I am getting a bit tired of folks stating that "PP is for those who cannot shoot". SOOC is all I need.

This shows either a complete misunderstanding of what PP is about or a rejection due to not being able to use PP correctly. (We see the same type of comment about using flashes, among other things.)

I have posted an example of what a decent PP does to an image.

Note:
This is a stacked image (another form of PP, but this not what I am arguing about in this thread).
I am getting a bit tired of folks stating that &qu... (show quote)



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May 27, 2022 00:43:25   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
....Take these AI tools. Do they set the stage for more time on less images? Verses the alternative of less time on more images? And, when we compare the absolute 1 to 1 results, is there a difference?.....


I believe the problem with letting the computer do things for you (whether it's AI, pre-sets, filters or whatever) is that they teach you very little about editing. All you learn is how to use those props. If you get heavily into using them early on, your learning process will stagnate, except for learning how to depend on the assisted editing tools.

The one time they will benefit the learning process is if you try to work out what they're doing and how they do it, then work out how to emulate that. I suspect most people don't go down that road. But an experienced PPer will find them to be a very useful shortcut to the end result that they were envisaging from the start.

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May 27, 2022 13:34:00   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
We could probably find a 'curve' or graph of PP? One that shows lots of time in post during a certain phase / time-period of individual photography skill development. Maybe an upward slope of lots of increasing time in post. Then, an inflection point where more effort begins to be spent in the capture process to maximize the SOOC result with a conscious effort toward a minimizing the PP time / effort.

Take these AI tools. Do they set the stage for more time on less images? Verses the alternative of less time on more images? And, when we compare the absolute 1 to 1 results, is there a difference? I think there is, but I don't have a controlled study to point to.
We could probably find a 'curve' or graph of PP? O... (show quote)


How much SKILL time does it take to do BASIC RAW processing in Photoshop ? If one does NOTHING but pick up one of Scott Kelby's Photoshop books and just do the 7 or 8 steps under the BASIC tab you are doing 9/10 of what you need besides fancy presets... White Bal, Exposure, white and black points, highlights, shadows, contrast, brightness, etc.... Come on people, its not rocket science ! Move a few sliders and you are LEARNING as you see the changes. Experiment a little... And then save into Jpeg,Tiff etc... Don't make it harder than it is...

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May 27, 2022 14:16:53   #
User ID
 
Wallen wrote:
I'm confused. How can "a to b" become irrelevant, when someone is trying to figure out how to repeat it?

The someone who is trying to repeat it represents the height of irrelevance.

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May 27, 2022 14:18:27   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
MrBob wrote:
How much SKILL time does it take to do BASIC RAW processing in Photoshop ? If one does NOTHING but pick up one of Scott Kelby's Photoshop books and just do the 7 or 8 steps under the BASIC tab you are doing 9/10 of what you need besides fancy presets... White Bal, Exposure, white and black points, highlights, shadows, contrast, brightness, etc.... Come on people, its not rocket science ! Move a few sliders and you are LEARNING as you see the changes. Experiment a little... And then save into Jpeg,Tiff etc... Don't make it harder than it is...
How much SKILL time does it take to do BASIC RAW p... (show quote)


It’s actually easier than that as all of that can be done in Lightroom. With the new masking features it has I rarely need to go to PS. Only to remove stuff too demanding for the clone tool in Lightroom or if I’m adding canvas with some content-aware fill.

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May 27, 2022 14:25:05   #
User ID
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Some of the comments are made in jest, though if you don't know much about the person's posting history, it can be easy to misunderstand. The comments from those "trying to make others feel" a certain way, well if anyone is hurt by those people, they should just visualize the offenders naked and afraid

Uh huh. But lately Ive visualized waaaay too many frightened hogsters as naked except for the SLR they are wearing ... yuck ick :-(

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May 27, 2022 14:28:42   #
User ID
 
wcastro wrote:
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a dam".

You and Ward and June and "The Beav".

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May 27, 2022 14:30:11   #
User ID
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
A good example of opinion being expressed as fact.

P.S. Humor and sarcasm are often difficult to recognize in written form. That being typed, if the quote was sarcasm or an attempt at humor, it failed for me.

Clearly waaaaay beyond hope or help ....

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May 27, 2022 14:34:59   #
User ID
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
I don't need to. How about you prove them with irrefutable facts and evidence.

A persons insistence that someone justify self evident facts to them is really quite revealing.

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May 27, 2022 14:41:34   #
User ID
 
Those who actually believe that they are presenting pure SOOC images are really just kidding themselves and lying about skills they pretend to have.

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May 27, 2022 17:17:16   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
User ID wrote:
Those who actually believe that they are presenting pure SOOC images are really just kidding themselves and lying about skills they pretend to have.


Ouch! LOL.

I often take but seldom post SOOC images.
I particular like this one;

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