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Jan 14, 2022 10:06:09   #
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Landscape ? Kit weight ? Full frame ? That mix is a problem ?!? If you make it a problem then I spoze it’s a problem ... for someone.

But for myself, I’m just not into inventing problems to fret over. A lightweight FF body and a selection of very small lenses is not expensive nor hard to find. Why carry more ? Why spend more ?
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Lightweight 15, 35, and 90mm full frame outfit in very small bag.
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Jan 14, 2022 10:50:32   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
davidrb wrote:
This should NOT be a group decision. Save your money, and your mind.


Shouldn’t be a group decision but you were willing to make it for him.

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Jan 14, 2022 10:52:46   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
FreddB wrote:
No offense meant - wanted to ask this before of many others - why so many cameras? I have enough of a challenge remembering how to use one.


I regularly shoot cameras from four different systems and three different manufacturers. It’s not that hard.

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Jan 14, 2022 11:02:19   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
User ID wrote:
Having experienced such a change I’d suggest that if you rent anything, rent an m4/3 outfit. If you don’t like it, stick with your current outfit. Only m4/3 offers a really significant reduction in weight. No assurance that you’ll take to m4/3, but only a hands-on will tell.

As user of nearly the whole m4/3 size spectrum (no M1X), the Olympus EM5 mkIII strikes me as the “Goldilocks” choice in size, cost, and performance.


I love my M4/3 stuff for what it is, but it can’t compare to my full frame Z7 for IQ. Now I do have the Olympus E-M1X and it is a beast. It’s actually the biggest camera body I own. The lenses really make up for it.

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Jan 14, 2022 11:52:02   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
Whenever I consider a new piece of equipment I ask myself... "Is the screwing I am getting worth the screwing I am getting?"

In other words, will the upgrade provide me better satisfaction or improved photography opportunities. Generally speaking the answer seems to be no. Because whatever I buy it still comes down to the proper use and execution of the photo triangle.

With that said, I think if I were going to jump from my current DSLR to mirrorless, I might actually take a bigger jump and go to medium format. I feel there is a big enough difference in overall camera output to make a difference. But my hesitation to make the jump is based on my original question above. And the fact is...I do not feel I have progressed enough yet in my photography to warrant the medium format equipment.

Bottom line is... if you have outgrown the ability of your current equipment then maybe it time to make the jump and the other caveat being the equipment has met the end of its useful service life and parts availability.

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Jan 14, 2022 12:18:48   #
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SuperflyTNT wrote:
I love my M4/3 stuff for what it is, but it can’t compare to my full frame Z7 for IQ. Now I do have the Olympus E-M1X and it is a beast. It’s actually the biggest camera body I own. The lenses really make up for it.

It’s always the same refrain: “The images from your m4/3 that you easily carry are vastly superior to the images that you didn’t get from your FF that you didn’t carry cuz it’s too big.”

And as you mention, it’s the lenses. Cuz if the lenses are small enough then even a FF outfit is no burden (pix attached).
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15, 35, 90 and Z6
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Packs the above outfit, plus batteries, etc.
Packs the above outfit, plus batteries, etc....
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Jan 14, 2022 12:33:52   #
rangel28
 
jfh2841 wrote:
I am currently shooting with a Nikon D850 and D500. Of course I am heavily invested in lenses. I am wondering if I should make the change to mirrorless and go with the Z7ll. I have read all the comparisons but I would like to hear from those out there that have experienced this change and what they think...


Do it. Nikon needs the revenue. :)

In all seriousness, you have what are arguably Nikon's best full frame and APS-C cameras. Depending on the kind of photography you do, you may be frustrated at first with the Z focusing system, which is different than Nikon's DSLRs. Once you get the hang of it, you will likely find that the Z lenses are superior to the F mount lenses. You will likely want to ditch many of your F mount lenses once you sample the Z mount lenses.

Renting a Z7ii and a lens like the 70mm-200mm f2.8 might be a good solution, so you can decide for yourself.

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Jan 14, 2022 15:18:50   #
ecommons
 
Let's see. My DSLR still takes excellent pictures and does what I want it to do. I could spend $2000 to $5000 to buy a mirrorless. But then I would have to spend more money to replace all my old lenses that will not work on the new mirrorless. Then I would need another $5000 for a couple of new lenses for the new camera (because my DX/FX lenses won't work on the new camera) Gee, I can save $10,000 by using my old mirror type camera. Gee, for $10,000, I can take my old camera to a lot of new places to take photos.

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Jan 14, 2022 16:00:09   #
Gourmand Loc: Dallas
 
Don't rush to replace your legacy lenses - they will all perform better on a Z9 than they can on a D850. Why? Because of the in-camera image stabilization that you never had before. If you've been happy with them in the past, you'll be thrilled with them now. The downside is that they are a little heavier than the new lenses and stick out a bit further due to the use of the FTZ II.

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Jan 14, 2022 17:00:58   #
ELNikkor
 
Bayou wrote:
Mirrorless cameras of the same sensor size are only marginally lighter than DSLR. Yes, the bodies are considerably smaller and a bit lighter, but the lenses are essentially the same bulk and weight. (not to mention the cost of all new lenses) To truly save weight you'd have to go forgo full frame altogether, and maybe even DX depending on your personal limitations. M4/3 is out there and very light and compact, though not much to choose from.

If you already own DX lenses you know how much lighter they are than the FX. A D3500 or D7500 with true DX lenses would cut your average weight a great deal over the D850 and FX lenses, probably more than half. While it's no fun going backwards with regard to features, if weight gets to be a real problem, that may be the way to go.
Mirrorless cameras of the same sensor size are onl... (show quote)


The Z7II WITH a Z 28-75 2.8 lens weighs only 44 ounces. The D850 with a 24-70 2.8 AF VR weighs 72 ounces; nearly a 2 pound increase. If weight is an issue, certainly mirrorless would be a welcome switch.

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Jan 14, 2022 17:50:14   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
BebuLamar wrote:
For this I think I can trust the reviewers (that old school so skeptic about) and save myself $169.


If that last crack about old school---was about me---I only complain about the wise-cracking and snarkiy posters in UHH.

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Jan 14, 2022 17:51:41   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
ecommons wrote:
Let's see. My DSLR still takes excellent pictures and does what I want it to do. I could spend $2000 to $5000 to buy a mirrorless. But then I would have to spend more money to replace all my old lenses that will not work on the new mirrorless. Then I would need another $5000 for a couple of new lenses for the new camera (because my DX/FX lenses won't work on the new camera) Gee, I can save $10,000 by using my old mirror type camera. Gee, for $10,000, I can take my old camera to a lot of new places to take photos.
Let's see. My DSLR still takes excellent pictures ... (show quote)



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Jan 14, 2022 17:56:14   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
Is this a real need for an improved camera system or a serious GAS attack.

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Jan 14, 2022 17:58:12   #
ELNikkor
 
It's the weight.

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Jan 14, 2022 19:23:38   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
ecommons wrote:
Let's see. My DSLR still takes excellent pictures and does what I want it to do. I could spend $2000 to $5000 to buy a mirrorless. But then I would have to spend more money to replace all my old lenses that will not work on the new mirrorless. Then I would need another $5000 for a couple of new lenses for the new camera (because my DX/FX lenses won't work on the new camera) Gee, I can save $10,000 by using my old mirror type camera. Gee, for $10,000, I can take my old camera to a lot of new places to take photos.
Let's see. My DSLR still takes excellent pictures ... (show quote)


Makes a lot of sense.

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