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Jan 13, 2022 00:13:22   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
User ID wrote:
ROTFLMFAO ... snarkety snark snark.

Who cares about your one sorryassed relic having no bearing on the situation. No one mourns its passing.

Everything is wrong with it. The list is waaaay too long and tedious. We keep one dead one on display and schidtcan the others, worthless even for parts.


Indeed "no name"ROTFLMFAO is the worst profane and insulting poster to UHH. Is there no oversight on this overall UHH site?

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Jan 13, 2022 00:49:55   #
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OldSchool-WI wrote:
Indeed "no name"ROTFLMFAO is the worst profane and insulting poster to UHH. Is there no oversight on this overall UHH site?


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Jan 13, 2022 01:13:57   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
I guess Canon is to bed early? He usually warns against copyright posting on this site--but not with his favorites list?------

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Jan 13, 2022 01:55:03   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
srt101fan wrote:
Since you didn"t bother to go to the Wikipedia link I'll quote what they said about the problems with that camera:

"Visible picture noise, associated with increased pixel density and underdeveloped noise reduction algorithm, was of primary concern. Moreover, the novel RGBE sensor did not bring in much improved color accuracy as expected; this led Sony to drop any further development on such sensors, making F828 the first and the last commercial camera ever to use a 4-color sensor. Many photographers also noted more severe purple fringing on F828s than on its predecessors."

Time for you to find a new case study to support your reviewer bashing exercise.
Since you didn"t bother to go to the Wikipedi... (show quote)


HARDLY----YOU SUPPORT my contention that critics made mirrorless come around twenty years late. As your review which is the primary one--the critic says---"Not as much an improved sensor as hoped." What that says to me in reverse is---the DSC F828 had an improvement in its 8 mgpixel sensor over the three color Bayer but the yet shows little interest in the market? As for fringing---at what ASA? Mine does not fringe. Again--you make my contention that for whatever reasons---reviews can break an innovation vis a vis an existing product if engineered to do so. The reviewer obviously didn't like innovative mirrorless cameras with a dozen new features he could not grasp and the review stands for decades. Thanks----ew

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Jan 13, 2022 01:56:52   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Those who don't want a mirrorless camera don't want to succeed.


Yes Canon---tell that to the reviewers who panned the Sony DSC F828.----

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Jan 13, 2022 02:10:02   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
But I will give a case study about a concept camera introduced by Sony about twenty years ago. It was a mirrorless marvel way ahead of it's time. The series were considered Bridge cameras between pro and consumer. The concept was to take an excellent Zeiss tele Sonnar 28-200mm and couple it with a swivelling mirrorless body and giving the camera other features such as video and infra-red night vision as well as night vision plus built in flash plus hot shoe. The DSC F717 was favorably received so Sony continued by increasing the sensor to 8mpixels (3264x2448 size raw and *.tif files of 23megabytes) and making a special 4 color sensitivity. Then the reviews went sour and they dropped the entire line of mirrorless which twenty years ago were ahead of the times. It listed for about $1000. at the time. Below is a phtoto of this last of the line---the DSC F828---8 megapixel---videoo--infra-red ergonomic swivel lens marvel---the last in the series thanks to the poor reviews. But I enjoy mine greatly. Also it uses CF as well as Sony cards and runs an hour and a half on a charge. And the color rendition is excellent for a Bayer with the added 4 colors.----photo attached.
But I will give a case study about a concept camer... (show quote)


And----P.S. As I have said---this camera lives up to expectations in all respects---no fringing at reasonable ISO---better color--swivel mirrorless live view in both viewers--infra read--flash--ergonomics--excellent zoom 28-200 and resonable price-----BUT THEN I HAVE ALWAYS CONTENDED---"If there is something that catches my fancy and is popular with other people, also I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A MISTAKE IN MY JUDGEMENT!" And that goes for most things in my life--cars,music,locations---nearly everything.------ew (Note:---nobody has commented on using a DSC-F828 yet on this thread proving people like I are in the minority on this camera either from the reviews or they just didn't like mirrorless or swivel big sharp zoom lens cameras.-----ew



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Jan 13, 2022 02:37:13   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
As I have said---this camera lives up to expectations in all respects


But that is YOUR 'review' and opinion of it.

Why would your review or opinion of it hold any more weight than someone else's? Yes it may hold up to your "expectations" but your expectations may be vastly different from others.

Why not show some images from it to support your views?

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Jan 13, 2022 03:04:52   #
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OldSchool-WI wrote:
And----P.S. As I have said---this camera lives up to expectations in all respects---no fringing at reasonable ISO---better color--swivel mirrorless live view in both viewers--infra read--flash--ergonomics--excellent zoom 28-200 and resonable price-----BUT THEN I HAVE ALWAYS CONTENDED---"If there is something that catches my fancy and is popular with other people, also I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A MISTAKE IN MY JUDGEMENT!" And that goes for most things in my life--cars,music,locations---nearly everything.------ew (Note:---nobody has commented on using a DSC-F828 yet on this thread proving people like I are in the minority on this camera either from the reviews or they just didn't like mirrorless or swivel big sharp zoom lens cameras.-----ew
And----P.S. As I have said---this camera lives up... (show quote)

So it’s a mystery to you that there are no users for extinct cameras ?!? No mystery to anyone else. Extinction is forever. As a self proclaimed walking fossil, surely you are quite well aware of that.


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Jan 13, 2022 03:09:18   #
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Grahame wrote:
But that is YOUR 'review' and opinion of it.

Why would your review or opinion of it hold any more weight than someone else's? Yes it may hold up to your "expectations" but your expectations may be vastly different from others.

Why not show some images from it to support your views?

Perhaps the images quickly fade very badly if exposed to the light of truth ?

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Jan 13, 2022 04:23:44   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
User ID wrote:
Perhaps the images quickly fade very badly if exposed to the light of truth ?


Here is a quick one---right now where I stand---six feet away from a four inch box---hand held at equiv.200mm zoom.----Top this for clarity or pick something else you don't like or can contest. It was mirrorless when people were detesting mirrorless in favor of good DSLRs----now Canon and the boys love mirrorless, yet don't want to look back to a unique mirrorless camera. Obviously nobody here bought one so Sony changed directions. Whether or not caused by critics---is anybody's guess.----Attached--right now instant reply photo for [UserID--Anonymous} with Sony DSC F828.------

Reply to demand for a quick shot by the revolutionary mirrorless Sony DSC F828--panned by critics 20 years ago!
Reply to demand for a quick shot by the revolution...

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Jan 13, 2022 04:33:08   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
[quote=OldSchool-WI]Here is a quick one---right now where I stand---six feet away from a four inch box---hand held at equiv.200mm zoom.----Top this for clarity or pick something else you don't like or can contest. It was mirrorless when people were detesting mirrorless in favor of good DSLRs----now Canon and the boys love mirrorless, yet don't want to look back to a unique mirrorless camera. Obviously nobody here bought one so Sony changed directions. Whether or not caused by critics---is anybody's guess.----Attached--right now instant reply photo for [UserID--Anonymous} with Sony DSC F828.------[/quote]

P.S. The quick shot attached at request if "ID--Anonymous"---was shot at 3264x2448 size raw and *.tif files of 23megabytes---but reduced to about 1000 pixels across by UHH postings. So---triple the size with a crop and the Zeiss F2 tele Sonnar is needle sharp on the focus point. So tell me how a new mirrorless can improve on this?----where is the fringing?-----?

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Jan 13, 2022 04:35:30   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
Grahame wrote:
But that is YOUR 'review' and opinion of it.

Why would your review or opinion of it hold any more weight than someone else's? Yes it may hold up to your "expectations" but your expectations may be vastly different from others.

Why not show some images from it to support your views?


So---check below and you get your answer. My opinion is reality---I don't know what possessed the reviewer. That is the purpose of this thread---to find out what does or who doesn't POSSESS A REVIEWER?----EW

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Jan 13, 2022 04:39:09   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
Here is a quick one---right now where I stand---six feet away from a four inch box---hand held at equiv.200mm zoom.----Top this for clarity or pick something else you don't like or can contest. It was mirrorless when people were detesting mirrorless in favor of good DSLRs----now Canon and the boys love mirrorless, yet don't want to look back to a unique mirrorless camera. Obviously nobody here bought one so Sony changed directions. Whether or not caused by critics---is anybody's guess.


Is that really the best you could produce?

A 1200 x 900px image, exif stripped, that demonstrates Zilch other than you managed to acquire focus. Not too convincing is it, that ain't gonna sell nothing !

Maybe the reviewers gave it a challenge with some real world photography rather than a static box at 6ft and a titchy pic?

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Jan 13, 2022 05:09:32   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
Again a wise guy----I submitted a 3264x2448 size JPEG from the camera *.tif file of 23megabytes at your insistence. And, of course you looked for meta data to criticize----sorry that your pittifull self could not pick it apart. Better next time on your pathetic "gong show." So---you couldn't top my twenty year old camera with claiming fringing or anything else----boo-hoo to you. And that was also F: 2.2 at 200mm--if you want meta data----top that with your current camera???? Try?---Why don't you send a similar photo if you can for me to "critique"---Are you now finished in the children's playyard?-----

So readers know just what we are "discussing"---I will repeat my post.Grayham suggested that my evaluation of this unique Sony 20 year old mirrorless was my own and demanded I send a photo--which I did on the spot---he rejected it as being not large enough and no test at all. Of course any post on UHH is reduced yet I submitted a 3264x2448 JPEG compressed from a *.tif of 23megabytes. So for casual followers of this-----here is what I sent at the request of Graham. Shot at F:2.2---equiv--200mm with the Sony DSC F828 which originally listed around $1000.-----ew

Sharp Zeiss F:2 tele Sonnar in DSC F828
Sharp Zeiss F:2 tele Sonnar in DSC F828...

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Jan 13, 2022 05:15:31   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
Again a wise guy----I submitted a 3264x2448 size raw and *.tif files of 23megabytes at your insistence. And, of course you looked for meta data to criticize----sorry that your pittifull self could not pick it apart. Better next time on your pathetic "gong show." So---you couldn't top my twenty year old camera with claiming fringing or anything else----boo-hoo to you. And that was also F: 2.2 at 200mm--if you want meta data----top that with your current camera???? Try?---Why don't you send a similar photo if you can for me to "critique"---I you now finished in the children's playyard?-----
Again a wise guy----I submitted a 3264x2448 size r... (show quote)


Here we go again with the word "insistence". Learn to read, it was suggested you post an image to back up your view. Suggested does not equal "insistence".

This site I believe restricts file size to 20 meg, but you can NOT submit a raw (I see you have now changed to JPEG), jpg with a sRGB colour space is adequate for most to assess an image.

No, I looked for meta data to see what it was shot at.

And let's do a PS..................... who "demanded a quick shot"?

And as for fringing, would you expect that image to demonstrate a cameras performance with respect to fringing, it's not really surprising none can be seen is it?

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