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Jan 7, 2022 09:34:55   #
Bison Bud
 
I went ahead and just posted this in the Attic as I don't think it stands much of a chance staying up even here! However, since the anniversary of the Capital I**********n is now a hot news item once again, there's a question I think needs to be answered and it seems to be completely avoided so far. Anyway, why didn't the C*****l P****e use force to stop the invasion once the protestors breeched the Capitol building itself? Surely they have standing orders to protect against any invasion and to use force if needed to do so! Instead, it appears that they generally retreated and let the protesters run rampant inside the Capitol building. Yes this might have increased the death and injury toll, but I personally think that they could have stopped the whole thing in it's tracks if they had just warned the crowd that they would use lethal force if they breeched the building and fired a couple warning shots when and if they tried to. I guess we will never really know if it could have been stopped without actually firing on the crowd, but harsh reality requires harsh reactions and at least to me, it appears that the C*****l P****e were either told to stand down or simply did not do their sworn jobs to protect at all costs and this made the entire situation escalate out of control. Frankly, if told to stand down, then whomever gave that order has some serious questions to answer and it will probably never even come up in any sort of investigation whatsoever. Frankly, these invaders were criminals with violent intentions, yet they were treated with kid gloves rather than dealt with on equal terms. I find that to be rather puzzling to say the least, any comments?

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Jan 7, 2022 09:58:54   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
Possibly they realised that some of the mob were armed and they would have faced a hail of bullets back.

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Jan 7, 2022 10:09:37   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Bob Smith wrote:
Possibly they realised that some of the mob were armed and they would have faced a hail of bullets back.


I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY OF THE mob being armed with guns??? where did you get that info??

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Jan 7, 2022 10:12:22   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Bison Bud wrote:
I went ahead and just posted this in the Attic as I don't think it stands much of a chance staying up even here! However, since the anniversary of the Capital I**********n is now a hot news item once again, there's a question I think needs to be answered and it seems to be completely avoided so far. Anyway, why didn't the C*****l P****e use force to stop the invasion once the protestors breeched the Capitol building itself? Surely they have standing orders to protect against any invasion and to use force if needed to do so! Instead, it appears that they generally retreated and let the protesters run rampant inside the Capitol building. Yes this might have increased the death and injury toll, but I personally think that they could have stopped the whole thing in it's tracks if they had just warned the crowd that they would use lethal force if they breeched the building and fired a couple warning shots when and if they tried to. I guess we will never really know if it could have been stopped without actually firing on the crowd, but harsh reality requires harsh reactions and at least to me, it appears that the C*****l P****e were either told to stand down or simply did not do their sworn jobs to protect at all costs and this made the entire situation escalate out of control. Frankly, if told to stand down, then whomever gave that order has some serious questions to answer and it will probably never even come up in any sort of investigation whatsoever. Frankly, these invaders were criminals with violent intentions, yet they were treated with kid gloves rather than dealt with on equal terms. I find that to be rather puzzling to say the least, any comments?
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great post...I wonder the same!!

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Jan 7, 2022 10:36:27   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Bison Bud wrote:
I went ahead and just posted this in the Attic as I don't think it stands much of a chance staying up even here! However, since the anniversary of the Capital I**********n is now a hot news item once again, there's a question I think needs to be answered and it seems to be completely avoided so far. Anyway, why didn't the C*****l P****e use force to stop the invasion once the protestors breeched the Capitol building itself? Surely they have standing orders to protect against any invasion and to use force if needed to do so! Instead, it appears that they generally retreated and let the protesters run rampant inside the Capitol building. Yes this might have increased the death and injury toll, but I personally think that they could have stopped the whole thing in it's tracks if they had just warned the crowd that they would use lethal force if they breeched the building and fired a couple warning shots when and if they tried to. I guess we will never really know if it could have been stopped without actually firing on the crowd, but harsh reality requires harsh reactions and at least to me, it appears that the C*****l P****e were either told to stand down or simply did not do their sworn jobs to protect at all costs and this made the entire situation escalate out of control. Frankly, if told to stand down, then whomever gave that order has some serious questions to answer and it will probably never even come up in any sort of investigation whatsoever. Frankly, these invaders were criminals with violent intentions, yet they were treated with kid gloves rather than dealt with on equal terms. I find that to be rather puzzling to say the least, any comments?
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A thorough investigation with cooperation from all subpoenaed witnesses might shed light on your question, and other questions as well. Or, maybe we will never fully understand what and why things happened.

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Jan 7, 2022 10:40:08   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
My guess is that while out of control, the mob did not brandish firearms of any kind. If you will look at photos, however, security personnel in the chambers were ready to fire upon any who would breach those doors.

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Jan 7, 2022 10:41:30   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
wilpharm wrote:
I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY OF THE mob being armed with guns??? where did you get that info??


Just look at the videos especially the p***d b**s.

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Jan 7, 2022 10:48:50   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Bob Smith wrote:
Just look at the videos especially the p***d b**s.


A very few were armed, but apparently did not brandish them. My guess, if they had, they would have been shot. They have been charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds, but not with anything that would indicated that those firearms had been pulled out.

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Jan 7, 2022 11:01:26   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
SteveR wrote:
A very few were armed, but apparently did not brandish them. My guess, if they had, they would have been shot. They have been charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds, but not with anything that would indicated that those firearms had been pulled out.


So they took the firearms to the r**t for what reason. Just for a penis extension or maybe defence, so if the police threatened violence you are saying they would not have defended themselves?

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Jan 7, 2022 15:32:35   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Bob Smith wrote:
Just look at the videos especially the p***d b**s.


did anyone who entered the Capitol bldg have guns???? NO!!!!!

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Jan 7, 2022 16:00:02   #
Bison Bud
 
Frankly, it doesn't really matter whether these invaders were armed with bare hands, sticks & stones, or semi-automatic firearms. Their intent was to storm this Nation's Capitol, breech the security in place, and interfere with the proceedings in process. If that doesn't make them criminals and enemies of the State that needed to be dealt with promptly and effectively, I don't know what does. Instead they wandered around inside doing pretty much as they pleased for hours and I'm not sure even one of them was arrested until well after the event! Does this sort of thing justify the use of lethal force and if not why? Were the C*****l P****e told to stand down or did they just take it upon themselves not to "hold down the fort" at all costs? Would it have been different if it was a foreign invader or do we not have adequate security in place that can and will keep our citadels of government safe in the future? I think these are important questions and I never want to see anything like this happen again! No matter what side one chooses to be on politically, it should have no bearing whatsoever as to how we protect our system of government and the people and places involved in running it. This whole thing was a fiasco from any way you look at it and both sides need to take a long look at how to prevent this sort of thing from ever happening again!

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Jan 8, 2022 01:27:40   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Frankly, it doesn't really matter whether these invaders were armed with bare hands, sticks & stones, or semi-automatic firearms. Their intent was to storm this Nation's Capitol, breech the security in place, and interfere with the proceedings in process. If that doesn't make them criminals and enemies of the State that needed to be dealt with promptly and effectively, I don't know what does. Instead they wandered around inside doing pretty much as they pleased for hours and I'm not sure even one of them was arrested until well after the event! Does this sort of thing justify the use of lethal force and if not why? Were the C*****l P****e told to stand down or did they just take it upon themselves not to "hold down the fort" at all costs? Would it have been different if it was a foreign invader or do we not have adequate security in place that can and will keep our citadels of government safe in the future? I think these are important questions and I never want to see anything like this happen again! No matter what side one chooses to be on politically, it should have no bearing whatsoever as to how we protect our system of government and the people and places involved in running it. This whole thing was a fiasco from any way you look at it and both sides need to take a long look at how to prevent this sort of thing from ever happening again!
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So, have you seen the video from 2012 in which now Gov. Whitmer of Michigan let union members into the Capitol building of Michigan? While she denounces 1*6, she basically was involved in the same thing in Michigan.

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Jan 8, 2022 10:10:47   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bison Bud wrote:
I went ahead and just posted this in the Attic as I don't think it stands much of a chance staying up even here! However, since the anniversary of the Capital I**********n is now a hot news item once again, there's a question I think needs to be answered and it seems to be completely avoided so far. Anyway, why didn't the C*****l P****e use force to stop the invasion once the protestors breeched the Capitol building itself? Surely they have standing orders to protect against any invasion and to use force if needed to do so! Instead, it appears that they generally retreated and let the protesters run rampant inside the Capitol building. Yes this might have increased the death and injury toll, but I personally think that they could have stopped the whole thing in it's tracks if they had just warned the crowd that they would use lethal force if they breeched the building and fired a couple warning shots when and if they tried to. I guess we will never really know if it could have been stopped without actually firing on the crowd, but harsh reality requires harsh reactions and at least to me, it appears that the C*****l P****e were either told to stand down or simply did not do their sworn jobs to protect at all costs and this made the entire situation escalate out of control. Frankly, if told to stand down, then whomever gave that order has some serious questions to answer and it will probably never even come up in any sort of investigation whatsoever. Frankly, these invaders were criminals with violent intentions, yet they were treated with kid gloves rather than dealt with on equal terms. I find that to be rather puzzling to say the least, any comments?
I went ahead and just posted this in the Attic as ... (show quote)


Wow! Pretty amazing that you are calling for a death sentence for misdemeanor crimes.... Just amazing. Should we have used lethal force against those burning down city blocks over the summer as well? Seems to me that arson is a much more serious crime than trespass.

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Jan 8, 2022 10:13:56   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bob Smith wrote:
Possibly they realised that some of the mob were armed and they would have faced a hail of bullets back.


A completely fabricated fact, there were no guns on the capitol grounds other than those held by law enforcement.

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Jan 8, 2022 10:30:52   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
A completely fabricated fact, there were no guns on the capitol grounds other than those held by law enforcement.


Look at the videos

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