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Dec 14, 2021 12:17:55   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
johngault007 wrote:
Yeah, I totally understand your view point. And not everyone interprets things the same way, which is why we are such an amazing species of animal on this third rock from the sun


And soon, maybe, the fourth rock. Or maybe not. How about that for a changed norm!?

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Dec 14, 2021 12:20:22   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
johngault007 wrote:
Yeah, I totally understand your view point. And not everyone interprets things the same way, which is why we are such an amazing species of animal on this third rock from the sun

Duplicate.

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Dec 14, 2021 15:19:26   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
Bison Bud wrote:
First off let me state that I do not wish to offend any of the L***Q folks out there and have never felt that they should be treated differently due to their personal choices. My stepson is gay and I've accepted him and his partner as a members of our/my family since day one and it's never been an issue whatsoever. All in all, another person's sexual choices and practices are none of my business and I make no critical judgements due to them. However, I am suffering from some confusion over the large number of g****r indentities we now need to be familiar with and understand going forward. I guess this is progress, but I don't think I'll ever understand why all this needs to be so mainstream. As an example, it is now pretty much impossible to watch a recently made TV program or even a commercial without seeing some form of L***Q behavior and at least for me this can sometimes be painful to watch. I can accept that it goes on and I'm glad that these folks are finding acceptance, but I don't need to see this kind of activity demonstrated repeatedly! Geese, growing up with TV, they showed married couples sleeping in separate beds and they seldom even kissed to avoid controversy, but now anything goes and it seems to escalate by the day. Can't we find some middle ground somewhere?

Anyway, From my personal research it appears that the biology (X & Y C********es) determine the actual sex of an individual, but g****r is generally considered to be how the individual sees themselves and how they choose to present themselves. This too I can accept, but is it really a good thing for something so intimate and personal to be portrayed so openly. At least to some degree, I think a more subdued portrayal, especially in the media, would serve everyone better in the long run. At least in my opinion, the Military's approach of "Don't ask, don't tell" is a good start. Maybe it should be modified at bit to something like "Don't ask, don't tell, and keep it a private matter whenever possible" would be a good slogan going forward.

Any comments? Please don't respond here if you can't keep it respectable. If not this will be a very short running thread! Anyway, think about it and respond if you have sensible comments, I'd like to hear them. Thanks and good shooting to all.
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A rose by any other name ---

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Dec 14, 2021 21:51:54   #
flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT
 
amfoto1 wrote:
...I suppose the moral of this story, Hollywood's message to us, is: "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight!"

If you remember in John Wick (the 1st) he k**led 3 guys in 10 seconds with a pencil.

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Dec 14, 2021 22:27:24   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
Bison Bud wrote:
First off let me state that I do not wish to offend any of the L***Q folks out there and have never felt that they should be treated differently due to their personal choices. My stepson is gay and I've accepted him and his partner as a members of our/my family since day one and it's never been an issue whatsoever. All in all, another person's sexual choices and practices are none of my business and I make no critical judgements due to them. However, I am suffering from some confusion over the large number of g****r indentities we now need to be familiar with and understand going forward. I guess this is progress, but I don't think I'll ever understand why all this needs to be so mainstream. As an example, it is now pretty much impossible to watch a recently made TV program or even a commercial without seeing some form of L***Q behavior and at least for me this can sometimes be painful to watch. I can accept that it goes on and I'm glad that these folks are finding acceptance, but I don't need to see this kind of activity demonstrated repeatedly! Geese, growing up with TV, they showed married couples sleeping in separate beds and they seldom even kissed to avoid controversy, but now anything goes and it seems to escalate by the day. Can't we find some middle ground somewhere?

Anyway, From my personal research it appears that the biology (X & Y C********es) determine the actual sex of an individual, but g****r is generally considered to be how the individual sees themselves and how they choose to present themselves. This too I can accept, but is it really a good thing for something so intimate and personal to be portrayed so openly. At least to some degree, I think a more subdued portrayal, especially in the media, would serve everyone better in the long run. At least in my opinion, the Military's approach of "Don't ask, don't tell" is a good start. Maybe it should be modified at bit to something like "Don't ask, don't tell, and keep it a private matter whenever possible" would be a good slogan going forward.

Any comments? Please don't respond here if you can't keep it respectable. If not this will be a very short running thread! Anyway, think about it and respond if you have sensible comments, I'd like to hear them. Thanks and good shooting to all.
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I've read it somewhere that those were not actually their choice but in essence, they have certain hormonal imbalances/deficiency that cause them to make those choices. Hence that is actually a treatable medical issue.
Sadly, instead of correcting the problem, doctors would rather support their misguided choice, giving those individual more hormones that makes their body act further away from what it naturally is, more of like the opposite sex and even provide surgeries to mimic the opposite body.

I believe part of the problem is society today allows people to choose wrong, and then force others to accept that wrong to be correct. The I, me, mine attitude is so prevalent that good guys gets trampled upon and then blamed for the fact.

veni vedi i***ti...

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Dec 14, 2021 23:51:23   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
Wallen wrote:
I've read it somewhere that those were not actually their choice but in essence, they have certain hormonal imbalances/deficiency that cause them to make those choices. Hence that is actually a treatable medical issue.
Sadly, instead of correcting the problem, doctors would rather support their misguided choice, giving those individual more hormones that makes their body act further away from what it naturally is, more of like the opposite sex and even provide surgeries to mimic the opposite body.

I believe part of the problem is society today allows people to choose wrong, and then force others to accept that wrong to be correct. The I, me, mine attitude is so prevalent that good guys gets trampled upon and then blamed for the fact.

veni vedi i***ti...
I've read it somewhere that those were not actuall... (show quote)



But what if changing how they look actually improves their mental state and makes them happy. Nobody is saying you have to approve or even understand what is going on with them, but simply just respect their choices to do as they wish. I personally don't think "g****r" can be changed, but if altering their body and changing their name makes them happy, they aren't hurting me, so to each their own.

There is no right or wrong in this discussion, just different points of view I guess.

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Dec 15, 2021 03:22:28   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
Bison Bud wrote:
First off let me state that I do not wish to offend any of the L***Q folks out there and have never felt that they should be treated differently due to their personal choices. My stepson is gay and I've accepted him and his partner as a members of our/my family since day one and it's never been an issue whatsoever. All in all, another person's sexual choices and practices are none of my business and I make no critical judgements due to them. However, I am suffering from some confusion over the large number of g****r indentities we now need to be familiar with and understand going forward. I guess this is progress, but I don't think I'll ever understand why all this needs to be so mainstream. As an example, it is now pretty much impossible to watch a recently made TV program or even a commercial without seeing some form of L***Q behavior and at least for me this can sometimes be painful to watch. I can accept that it goes on and I'm glad that these folks are finding acceptance, but I don't need to see this kind of activity demonstrated repeatedly! Geese, growing up with TV, they showed married couples sleeping in separate beds and they seldom even kissed to avoid controversy, but now anything goes and it seems to escalate by the day. Can't we find some middle ground somewhere?

Anyway, From my personal research it appears that the biology (X & Y C********es) determine the actual sex of an individual, but g****r is generally considered to be how the individual sees themselves and how they choose to present themselves. This too I can accept, but is it really a good thing for something so intimate and personal to be portrayed so openly. At least to some degree, I think a more subdued portrayal, especially in the media, would serve everyone better in the long run. At least in my opinion, the Military's approach of "Don't ask, don't tell" is a good start. Maybe it should be modified at bit to something like "Don't ask, don't tell, and keep it a private matter whenever possible" would be a good slogan going forward.

Any comments? Please don't respond here if you can't keep it respectable. If not this will be a very short running thread! Anyway, think about it and respond if you have sensible comments, I'd like to hear them. Thanks and good shooting to all.
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Without reading the responses, I will give my two cents:----The same sex "legal" marriage question often revolves around the tax status. But marriage tax benefits are to support children and traditional marriage is also to support a family with co-joined duties and obligations as a family. Now marriage is going out the window in the best of families. In my Mother's time she criticized a cousin for "necking" in public. And now, as we know---children out of wedlock are common---even if the pair have been together for a decade and again in traditional Christian families. I certainly support your view that what is done sexually should remain private. There is nothing new in that regard "except for the openness now." At least there is still a taboo on open prostitution. Yet that oldest profession should have health inspections in red-light districts like in Europe--not simply forgotten and allowed on certain streets and parks. Prostitution, of course will never disappear.-----

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Dec 15, 2021 05:41:15   #
cmc4214 Loc: S.W. Pennsylvania
 
Bison Bud wrote:
First off let me state that I do not wish to offend any of the L***Q folks out there and have never felt that they should be treated differently due to their personal choices. My stepson is gay and I've accepted him and his partner as a members of our/my family since day one and it's never been an issue whatsoever. All in all, another person's sexual choices and practices are none of my business and I make no critical judgements due to them. However, I am suffering from some confusion over the large number of g****r indentities we now need to be familiar with and understand going forward. I guess this is progress, but I don't think I'll ever understand why all this needs to be so mainstream. As an example, it is now pretty much impossible to watch a recently made TV program or even a commercial without seeing some form of L***Q behavior and at least for me this can sometimes be painful to watch. I can accept that it goes on and I'm glad that these folks are finding acceptance, but I don't need to see this kind of activity demonstrated repeatedly! Geese, growing up with TV, they showed married couples sleeping in separate beds and they seldom even kissed to avoid controversy, but now anything goes and it seems to escalate by the day. Can't we find some middle ground somewhere?

Anyway, From my personal research it appears that the biology (X & Y C********es) determine the actual sex of an individual, but g****r is generally considered to be how the individual sees themselves and how they choose to present themselves. This too I can accept, but is it really a good thing for something so intimate and personal to be portrayed so openly. At least to some degree, I think a more subdued portrayal, especially in the media, would serve everyone better in the long run. At least in my opinion, the Military's approach of "Don't ask, don't tell" is a good start. Maybe it should be modified at bit to something like "Don't ask, don't tell, and keep it a private matter whenever possible" would be a good slogan going forward.

Any comments? Please don't respond here if you can't keep it respectable. If not this will be a very short running thread! Anyway, think about it and respond if you have sensible comments, I'd like to hear them. Thanks and good shooting to all.
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That's why I don't have a television.

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Dec 15, 2021 06:24:52   #
philmurfin Loc: Bakewell, Derbyshire UK
 
Bison Bud wrote:
First off let me state that I do not wish to offend any of the L***Q folks out there and have never felt that they should be treated differently due to their personal choices. My stepson is gay and I've accepted him and his partner as a members of our/my family since day one and it's never been an issue whatsoever. All in all, another person's sexual choices and practices are none of my business and I make no critical judgements due to them. However, I am suffering from some confusion over the large number of g****r indentities we now need to be familiar with and understand going forward. I guess this is progress, but I don't think I'll ever understand why all this needs to be so mainstream. As an example, it is now pretty much impossible to watch a recently made TV program or even a commercial without seeing some form of L***Q behavior and at least for me this can sometimes be painful to watch. I can accept that it goes on and I'm glad that these folks are finding acceptance, but I don't need to see this kind of activity demonstrated repeatedly! Geese, growing up with TV, they showed married couples sleeping in separate beds and they seldom even kissed to avoid controversy, but now anything goes and it seems to escalate by the day. Can't we find some middle ground somewhere?

Anyway, From my personal research it appears that the biology (X & Y C********es) determine the actual sex of an individual, but g****r is generally considered to be how the individual sees themselves and how they choose to present themselves. This too I can accept, but is it really a good thing for something so intimate and personal to be portrayed so openly. At least to some degree, I think a more subdued portrayal, especially in the media, would serve everyone better in the long run. At least in my opinion, the Military's approach of "Don't ask, don't tell" is a good start. Maybe it should be modified at bit to something like "Don't ask, don't tell, and keep it a private matter whenever possible" would be a good slogan going forward.

Any comments? Please don't respond here if you can't keep it respectable. If not this will be a very short running thread! Anyway, think about it and respond if you have sensible comments, I'd like to hear them. Thanks and good shooting to all.
First off let me state that I do not wish to offen... (show quote)


I agree entirely,
I have a few gay friends both male and female and I love them all, I'm having a pint with one tomorrow.
However, I'm now beginning to see this exaggerated to a point where I, as a heterosexual feel in as no longer mainstream.

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Dec 15, 2021 07:01:16   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Why isn't this in the Attic?

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Dec 15, 2021 07:55:10   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Earthlings,

the laughing stock of the universe.....

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Dec 15, 2021 08:44:46   #
Bison Bud
 
Ollieboy wrote:
IMO all female athletes who have any t*********r athletes that compete with them resign until the regulators get some common sense. If all the females resign, then there is no competition for the t*********rs to dominate. Maybe there should be a separate league for them. I'm sorry that legitimate athletes would be taking the hit temporarily though. This has nothing to do with them being t*********r. How unfair is it the women who train for years to have their training to be considered wasted time.
IMO all female athletes who have any t*********r a... (show quote)


You have brought up an issue that affects us all when it comes to g****r changes and I think this needs to be considered further. As I stated in my initial post, X&Y c********es determines one's biological sex, but g****r is generally accepted to be how a person feels about themselves and how they wish to present themselves. This is a really important aspect when considering competitive sports involving t*********r individuals competing against those biologically determined at birth. How someone wants to present their sexuality has virtually nothing to do with their biological sex determination. It also has nothing to do with basic physical abilities and traits received at birth and despite hormone therapies, surgeries, etc. this does not really change significantly. Because of this, the X&Y c********es should be used as the final say so in anyone's classification used in competitive sports rather then how they wish to present themselves. While, I do feel that T*********r individuals have the right to present themselves as they wish, I for one do not feel that this gives them to right to compete athletically with those who choose to compete under their birth sex determination. One's sexual and/or g****r preferences have nothing to do with athletics and we should at least try to separate them!

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Dec 15, 2021 12:49:29   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
SteveR wrote:
Why isn't this in the Attic?


Because it isn't right leaning politics.

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Dec 15, 2021 13:31:51   #
srg
 
Bison Bud wrote:
First off let me state that I do not wish to offend any of the L***Q folks out there and have never felt that they should be treated differently due to their personal choices. My stepson is gay and I've accepted him and his partner as a members of our/my family since day one and it's never been an issue whatsoever. All in all, another person's sexual choices and practices are none of my business and I make no critical judgements due to them. However, I am suffering from some confusion over the large number of g****r indentities we now need to be familiar with and understand going forward. I guess this is progress, but I don't think I'll ever understand why all this needs to be so mainstream. As an example, it is now pretty much impossible to watch a recently made TV program or even a commercial without seeing some form of L***Q behavior and at least for me this can sometimes be painful to watch. I can accept that it goes on and I'm glad that these folks are finding acceptance, but I don't need to see this kind of activity demonstrated repeatedly! Geese, growing up with TV, they showed married couples sleeping in separate beds and they seldom even kissed to avoid controversy, but now anything goes and it seems to escalate by the day. Can't we find some middle ground somewhere?

Anyway, From my personal research it appears that the biology (X & Y C********es) determine the actual sex of an individual, but g****r is generally considered to be how the individual sees themselves and how they choose to present themselves. This too I can accept, but is it really a good thing for something so intimate and personal to be portrayed so openly. At least to some degree, I think a more subdued portrayal, especially in the media, would serve everyone better in the long run. At least in my opinion, the Military's approach of "Don't ask, don't tell" is a good start. Maybe it should be modified at bit to something like "Don't ask, don't tell, and keep it a private matter whenever possible" would be a good slogan going forward.

Any comments? Please don't respond here if you can't keep it respectable. If not this will be a very short running thread! Anyway, think about it and respond if you have sensible comments, I'd like to hear them. Thanks and good shooting to all.
First off let me state that I do not wish to offen... (show quote)


I agree. They should upgrade the closet so that staying in it will become more attractive.

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Dec 15, 2021 14:24:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
SteveR wrote:
Why isn't this in the Attic?

Well, it was t***sferred to the Attic.

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