First off let me state that I do not wish to offend any of the L***Q folks out there and have never felt that they should be treated differently due to their personal choices. My stepson is gay and I've accepted him and his partner as a members of our/my family since day one and it's never been an issue whatsoever. All in all, another person's sexual choices and practices are none of my business and I make no critical judgements due to them. However, I am suffering from some confusion over the large number of g****r indentities we now need to be familiar with and understand going forward. I guess this is progress, but I don't think I'll ever understand why all this needs to be so mainstream. As an example, it is now pretty much impossible to watch a recently made TV program or even a commercial without seeing some form of L***Q behavior and at least for me this can sometimes be painful to watch. I can accept that it goes on and I'm glad that these folks are finding acceptance, but I don't need to see this kind of activity demonstrated repeatedly! Geese, growing up with TV, they showed married couples sleeping in separate beds and they seldom even kissed to avoid controversy, but now anything goes and it seems to escalate by the day. Can't we find some middle ground somewhere?

Anyway, From my personal research it appears that the biology (X & Y C********es) determine the actual sex of an individual, but g****r is generally considered to be how the individual sees themselves and how they choose to present themselves. This too I can accept, but is it really a good thing for something so intimate and personal to be portrayed so openly. At least to some degree, I think a more subdued portrayal, especially in the media, would serve everyone better in the long run. At least in my opinion, the Military's approach of "Don't ask, don't tell" is a good start. Maybe it should be modified at bit to something like "Don't ask, don't tell, and keep it a private matter whenever possible" would be a good slogan going forward.

Any comments? Please don't respond here if you can't keep it respectable. If not this will be a very short running thread! Anyway, think about it and respond if you have sensible comments, I'd like to hear them. Thanks and good shooting to all.

IMO all female athletes who have any t*********r athletes that compete with them resign until the regulators get some common sense. If all the females resign, then there is no competition for the t*********rs to dominate. Maybe there should be a separate league for them. I'm sorry that legitimate athletes would be taking the hit temporarily though. This has nothing to do with them being t*********r. How unfair is it the women who train for years to have their training to be considered wasted time.

IMO all female athletes who have any t*********r athletes that compete with them resign until the regulators get some common sense. If all the females resign, then there is no competition for the t*********rs to dominate. Maybe there should be a separate league for them. I'm sorry that legitimate athletes would be taking the hit temporarily though. This has nothing to do with them being t*********r. How unfair is it the women who train for years to have their training to be considered wasted time.

Most sports require that the t***s-female (born male) must demonstrate a certain level of low testosterone before they can compete as females. They take testosterone inhibiting drugs.

Even so, they still have physical advantages over true females and should not be allowed to compete as females.

A swimmer at Penn just obliterated all the records in women's swimming. He had competed as a male for three years with no great success. Then senior year he switched to female swim team and destroyed all the records.

In Texas we had a t***s wrestler who won the women's state title two years in a row.

It may not be fair to t***s athletes to be unable to compete, but it is grossly unfair to women's sports to allow former boys to compete as girls. Even Kaitlin Jenner (formerly Bruce Jenner) spoke out strongly against the practice as unfair to the women.