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Oct 21, 2012 11:08:41   #
kerfree Loc: Sebago and Sanibel
 
I am trying to teach myself portraiture, both studio and environmental, by practicing on myself, husband and grandkids. I've read and am trying to follow all the great advice here - i.e. focus on the eyes, sculpting with light, depth of field, etc.

What focus mode do you recommend for focusing on the eyes, especially when photographing children, since the best shots are often captured when they are in motion? I'm not quick enough to capture the moment with manual focus, so that leaves spot (but I have to be lucky enough to have the "spot" in the right spot), multiple area focus (might hit an eye), auto focus tracking (it is probably not tracking the eyes), face detection (doesn't seem to nail it), and auto focus continuous. Any wisdom gratefully received!!

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Oct 21, 2012 11:15:18   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
Are you confusing "potraiture" (static) with "action" or "candid" (moving) photography?

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Oct 21, 2012 11:30:08   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
With moving children you have two challenges. One is stopping the action and the other is maintaining correct focus. My advice; Step down the lens to at least F/8 to give yourself some depth of field and jack up the shutter speed to 1/500. In order to do this you'll may need to increase your ISO, but modern cameras can handle it so you shouldn't have a problem.
Trying to zero in on an eyeball of a running child won't work, (at least for me).

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Oct 21, 2012 11:56:54   #
kerfree Loc: Sebago and Sanibel
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Are you confusing "potraiture" (static) with "action" or "candid" (moving) photography?


Probably :) thanks for the vocabulary tip. But am trying for planned outdoor photo sessions involving movement, not just snapshots.

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Oct 21, 2012 11:58:44   #
kerfree Loc: Sebago and Sanibel
 
Frank T wrote:
With moving children you have two challenges. One is stopping the action and the other is maintaining correct focus. My advice; Step down the lens to at least F/8 to give yourself some depth of field and jack up the shutter speed to 1/500. In order to do this you'll may need to increase your ISO, but modern cameras can handle it so you shouldn't have a problem.
Trying to zero in on an eyeball of a running child won't work, (at least for me).


Thank you this is helpful, will try with f8 @ 500sec. What focus setting do you usually choose?

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Oct 22, 2012 06:46:02   #
sudzmonn Loc: here , there , everywhere
 
I just purchased the Magazine , " NPHOTO " while at Barnes N Noble , it has a section in it on this subject , amongst other great topics . . . .

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Oct 22, 2012 08:33:02   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
kerfree wrote:
I am trying to teach myself portraiture, both studio and environmental, by practicing on myself, husband and grandkids. I've read and am trying to follow all the great advice here - i.e. focus on the eyes, sculpting with light, depth of field, etc.

What focus mode do you recommend for focusing on the eyes, especially when photographing children, since the best shots are often captured when they are in motion? I'm not quick enough to capture the moment with manual focus, so that leaves spot (but I have to be lucky enough to have the "spot" in the right spot), multiple area focus (might hit an eye), auto focus tracking (it is probably not tracking the eyes), face detection (doesn't seem to nail it), and auto focus continuous. Any wisdom gratefully received!!
I am trying to teach myself portraiture, both stud... (show quote)

Grandkids? If you're a grandma, whose picture is that in your avatar?

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Oct 22, 2012 08:34:36   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Are you confusing "potraiture" (static) with "action" or "candid" (moving) photography?

About a month ago, there was a discussion about how to photograph live insects and keep them from moving. The common practice was to put them into a freezer for a while. :D

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Oct 22, 2012 09:36:54   #
kerfree Loc: Sebago and Sanibel
 
jerryc41 wrote:
kerfree wrote:
I am trying to teach myself portraiture, both studio and environmental, by practicing on myself, husband and grandkids. I've read and am trying to follow all the great advice here - i.e. focus on the eyes, sculpting with light, depth of field, etc.

What focus mode do you recommend for focusing on the eyes, especially when photographing children, since the best shots are often captured when they are in motion? I'm not quick enough to capture the moment with manual focus, so that leaves spot (but I have to be lucky enough to have the "spot" in the right spot), multiple area focus (might hit an eye), auto focus tracking (it is probably not tracking the eyes), face detection (doesn't seem to nail it), and auto focus continuous. Any wisdom gratefully received!!
I am trying to teach myself portraiture, both stud... (show quote)

Grandkids? If you're a grandma, whose picture is that in your avatar?
quote=kerfree I am trying to teach myself portrai... (show quote)


Ha! Ha! That's me - I can account for every year! Photography keeps me young... sort of ...

;-)

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Oct 22, 2012 09:37:48   #
kerfree Loc: Sebago and Sanibel
 
jerryc41 wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
Are you confusing "potraiture" (static) with "action" or "candid" (moving) photography?

About a month ago, there was a discussion about how to photograph live insects and keep them from moving. The common practice was to put them into a freezer for a while. :D


Wonderful idea, Jerry! Don't tempt me - you know a determined photographer will do anything for the shot!

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Oct 22, 2012 09:42:21   #
ronz Loc: Florida
 
Not knowing what camera you are using which may make a difference; however, in shooting a lot of special events involving speed such as horses, cycle races etc., I put my camera on Al Servo and multiple shots. It is always on M and I set the speed about between 250 and 640(you may need faster depending on the subject) and always set my aperture around 10 or 11. The adjust your ISO to let you shoot at those settings. Experiment a little depending on the event. Center weighted focus is also important and if people are involved, always focus on the eyes of the subject. Have fun

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Oct 22, 2012 11:33:01   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
kerfree wrote:
I am trying to teach myself portraiture, both studio and environmental, by practicing on myself, husband and grandkids. I've read and am trying to follow all the great advice here - i.e. focus on the eyes, sculpting with light, depth of field, etc.

What focus mode do you recommend for focusing on the eyes, especially when photographing children, since the best shots are often captured when they are in motion? I'm not quick enough to capture the moment with manual focus, so that leaves spot (but I have to be lucky enough to have the "spot" in the right spot), multiple area focus (might hit an eye), auto focus tracking (it is probably not tracking the eyes), face detection (doesn't seem to nail it), and auto focus continuous. Any wisdom gratefully received!!
I am trying to teach myself portraiture, both stud... (show quote)

You could try using AF-C.

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Oct 22, 2012 12:14:38   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
kerfree wrote:
I am trying to teach myself portraiture, both studio and environmental, by practicing on myself, husband and grandkids. I've read and am trying to follow all the great advice here - i.e. focus on the eyes, sculpting with light, depth of field, etc.

What focus mode do you recommend for focusing on the eyes, especially when photographing children, since the best shots are often captured when they are in motion? I'm not quick enough to capture the moment with manual focus, so that leaves spot (but I have to be lucky enough to have the "spot" in the right spot), multiple area focus (might hit an eye), auto focus tracking (it is probably not tracking the eyes), face detection (doesn't seem to nail it), and auto focus continuous. Any wisdom gratefully received!!
I am trying to teach myself portraiture, both stud... (show quote)


Just ordinary centre point focus is the best, or even better is manual focus. Have the child sitting on a stool, coffee table, or whatever will keep them from moving their whole body to a different location and minimize the movement as much as possible. Focus when the child is in a normal upright position, which will be where they are MOST of the time. Then use a small aperture for maximum DOF. F/11 or F/16 is best. If you are using strobes then the shutter speed is not as important, but I would probably keep it at the sync speed.

There are poses that can be used that minimize the child's movement, depending on the age of the child, like hands under the chin, etc. Have them laying on the floor face down with their hadns up under their face and you on floor level with them works well also. (see sample)

Camera on tripod and a remote shutter release are two of the most important pieces of equipment for children's portraits, as it gives you far more control of the childs expressions and position. I don't believe it is very effective from behind the camera.

Just my 3 cents worth . .



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Oct 22, 2012 12:33:14   #
Dr Rae Loc: Sarasota Florida
 
Great picture WeddingGuy!

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Oct 22, 2012 12:56:28   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Wondering if using Al servo would help tracking focus under some conditions?

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