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Nov 9, 2021 10:29:27   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
I am in favor of people owning guns, but I am also in favor of mandatory training. I am in favor of gun courses in schools to get said training. We have driving courses in schools.

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Nov 9, 2021 10:36:18   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
rmalarz wrote:
"All guns Are loaded until YOU clear them!!!" And, even then treat them as if they are loaded.
--Bob



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Nov 9, 2021 10:40:31   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I am in favor of people owning guns, but I am also in favor of mandatory training. I am in favor of gun courses in schools to get said training. We have driving courses in schools.

And with the driving courses, they still put people on the road that don't know how to drive .
The whole thing comes down to common sense!!! If you don't know anything about something don't F### with it!!

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Nov 9, 2021 11:37:35   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
And with the driving courses, they still put people on the road that don't know how to drive .

But there is an instructor in there with the newby.
Manglesphoto wrote:
The whole thing comes down to common sense!!! If you don't know anything about something don't F### with it!!




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Nov 9, 2021 14:46:01   #
Jaymc Loc: Washington
 
Everyone who touched the gun and some responsibility ... but ultimately Baldwin is at fault.

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Nov 9, 2021 18:43:05   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Agree.
Jtittsworth wrote:
The shooter. I have been around guns my entire life and spent over twenty years in the military. Anyone handing you a gun must check and clear it; however, the receiver has a responsibility to check and make sure it is clear or has the correct ammunition. Ultimately the shooter has full responsibility.

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Nov 9, 2021 18:56:36   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
rmalarz wrote:
"All guns Are loaded until YOU clear them!!!" And, even then treat them as if they are loaded.
--Bob


There are scenes in Western movies and old TV series that call for actors to "shoot" each other at close range. An actor's job is to act, not be a firearms expert. I've met many people in my life who have never shot a gun. I'll guess that some actors would not even know the difference between a real gun and a replica or the difference between live and dummy rounds. What if the actor happens to be a child? There should be a robust system in place to prevent any accident like this, and I would go along with the suggestion that real guns should not be used in movies or on TV any longer. There is no reason for it.

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Nov 9, 2021 19:29:12   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
All actors on the the set whose role involves the handling a gun should study gun safety and then pass a test to show the requisite knowledge and understanding of gun safety. No doubt shooting accidents would decline.
therwol wrote:
There are scenes in Western movies and old TV series that call for actors to "shoot" each other at close range. An actor's job is to act, not be a firearms expert. I've met many people in my life who have never shot a gun. I'll guess that some actors would not even know the difference between a real gun and a replica or the difference between live and dummy rounds. What if the actor happens to be a child? There should be a robust system in place to prevent any accident like this, and I would go along with the suggestion that real guns should not be used in movies or on TV any longer. There is no reason for it.
There are scenes in Western movies and old TV seri... (show quote)

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Nov 9, 2021 19:36:20   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Actors should be made aware of, or have their memory refreshed, with regard to gun safety rules prior to actually being handed a firearm on the set. They have to learn a lot of other things to do a movie, gun safety, when needed, should be one of them.

My latest fashion statement indicating the results of that training being neglected.
--Bob

therwol wrote:
There are scenes in Western movies and old TV series that call for actors to "shoot" each other at close range. An actor's job is to act, not be a firearms expert. I've met many people in my life who have never shot a gun. I'll guess that some actors would not even know the difference between a real gun and a replica or the difference between live and dummy rounds. What if the actor happens to be a child? There should be a robust system in place to prevent any accident like this, and I would go along with the suggestion that real guns should not be used in movies or on TV any longer. There is no reason for it.
There are scenes in Western movies and old TV seri... (show quote)



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Nov 9, 2021 19:44:11   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
The prop person who provides a gun to an actor is responsible for making sure that it is safe for the actor to use in a scene, no matter the actor's expertise/proficiency or lack thereof.

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Nov 9, 2021 23:18:25   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The actor does not become absolved of responsibility for the fate of another whom he shot and killed owing to the neglect of a third party via this party not observing gun safety.

The actor as shooter killed the victim.

The person receiving the gun has the responsibility to check the gun for its status -- for example, whether or not loaded with live rounds.
Longshadow wrote:
The prop person who provides a gun to an actor is responsible for making sure that it is safe for the actor to use in a scene, no matter the actor's expertise/proficiency or lack thereof.

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Nov 10, 2021 00:15:32   #
RowdyRay Loc: MN
 
Longshadow wrote:
The prop person who provides a gun to an actor is responsible for making sure that it is safe for the actor to use in a scene, no matter the actor's expertise/proficiency or lack thereof.


So I could hand a gun to you, tell you it's unloaded, and you'd take my word for it? Not me. I'm checking. Several times. Ultimately, it's Alec Baldwin's fault. He took someone else's word it was safe. That's what it's going to boil down to in court. Regardless of proficiency or lack thereof.

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Nov 10, 2021 06:21:08   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
therwol wrote:
There are scenes in Western movies and old TV series that call for actors to "shoot" each other at close range. An actor's job is to act, not be a firearms expert. I've met many people in my life who have never shot a gun. I'll guess that some actors would not even know the difference between a real gun and a replica or the difference between live and dummy rounds. What if the actor happens to be a child? There should be a robust system in place to prevent any accident like this, and I would go along with the suggestion that real guns should not be used in movies or on TV any longer. There is no reason for it.
There are scenes in Western movies and old TV seri... (show quote)


The they should not be handling Real firearms!!!! This is Black and White, NO shades of gray!!!

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Nov 10, 2021 06:41:32   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
You are absolutely correct! Guns do not go off accidentally.

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Nov 10, 2021 06:48:46   #
edwdickinson Loc: Ardmore PA
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
With a simple answer.
Who is at fault in Alex Baldwin's firearm incident
I am talking about adults.
I guess I should give my answer.
The only person at fault is the person that pulled the trigger!!! No one else!!!
All guns Are loaded until YOU clear them!!!
If you don't know how to clear a weapon LEAVE IT ALONE!!!


Baldwin. Violated every rule of handling a firearm.

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