A complex question
Nov 17, 2021 18:56:08 #
AB cannot escape responsibility for shooting and killing a man by his own hand with a loaded gun just because of his occupation as a movie actor.
He did, however, have no intention of truly harming much less killing another human. By accounts in the news media, the killing happened as an accident.
I do not know the law in this matter, but I assume it holds the individual in physical possession of gun to determine its status, as loaded or unloaded, among other things.
AB has remained silent about the accident, and well he should. He has no obligation to humor the news media. We shall see how this matter plays out.
He did, however, have no intention of truly harming much less killing another human. By accounts in the news media, the killing happened as an accident.
I do not know the law in this matter, but I assume it holds the individual in physical possession of gun to determine its status, as loaded or unloaded, among other things.
AB has remained silent about the accident, and well he should. He has no obligation to humor the news media. We shall see how this matter plays out.
therwol wrote:
I agree with this. I'm all for gun safety, but do actors, some of whom may have had no experience with guns, know the difference between a real gun and a fake one or one modified to shoot only blanks? And who was responsible for the live rounds on the set? There should have been none. Who loaded the gun with live rounds? Answers are needed before assigning blame.
Nov 17, 2021 18:58:59 #
therwol
Loc: USA
anotherview wrote:
AB has remained silent about the accident, and well he should. He has no obligation to humor the news media. We shall see how this matter plays out.
I'm sure his attorney(s) have advised him not to make any public statements. This is going to court(s) for sure. There may be criminal charges. There will be multiple civil lawsuits. He could say things in public that could be used against him.
Nov 17, 2021 20:24:33 #
RowdyRay
Loc: MN
charles tabb wrote:
Being knowable about all the things you have to know about Guns comes from education.
Actors don't have to be.
This is why they have an Armorer that is educated in guns on a set to insure safety.
I feel that actors have to know how to act and should not be responsible to know guns, only how to point them and make the blanks go off.
This is why I feel that the armorer is responsible for the mistake and should be the only one responsible.
Actors don't have to be.
This is why they have an Armorer that is educated in guns on a set to insure safety.
I feel that actors have to know how to act and should not be responsible to know guns, only how to point them and make the blanks go off.
This is why I feel that the armorer is responsible for the mistake and should be the only one responsible.
Apparently you've never been around guns or handled them. It's drilled into your head from day one...ASSUME ALL GUNS ARE LOADED. Oh, I'm sure the armorer is going to be held responsible. But, ultimately it was AB's responsibility to check. Actor or not, if you're going to handle firearms, take some training. Real, fake, prop, whatever....they can all be dangerous.
For instance, while deer hunting this year, I had to make a minor repair to my son's rifle. He handed it to me and stated it was unloaded. What do you think I did first? Don't think I trust my own son? He knew I would and just smirked. After all, I drilled it into his head. If that rifle accidently discharged it was in MY hands, not his. The responsibility was passed to me. Essentially, I was now driving the bus. There are a ton of gun experts explaining just this on Youtube if you need clarification. You can bet this will be the biggest sticking point at trial.
I've been handling firearms and/or hunting for 50 years. Yes, there have been malfunctions or accidental discharges. But the rules and safety measures taught to us by our elders have kept us safe. Don't pretend to know what you're doing, if you don't.
Nov 17, 2021 21:08:53 #
become a believer, go thru a hang fire......fortunately it was only about 2-3 seconds, but !!probably caused by a poorly seated primer & my fault but a learning experience...sigh
Nov 18, 2021 09:44:48 #
therwol wrote:
I agree with this. I'm all for gun safety, but do actors, some of whom may have had no experience with guns, know the difference between a real gun and a fake one or one modified to shoot only blanks? And who was responsible for the live rounds on the set? There should have been none. Who loaded the gun with live rounds? Answers are needed before assigning blame.
It doesn't matter who loaded the gun.
The armorer has the responsibility to have checked that gun before it was handed to an actor.
Not anyone else.
As to live rounds on the set that would be the Armor's responsibility also.
Nov 18, 2021 10:20:26 #
charles tabb wrote:
It doesn't matter who loaded the gun.
The armorer has the responsibility to have checked that gun before it was handed to an actor.
Not anyone else.
As to live rounds on the set that would be the Armor's responsibility also.
The armorer has the responsibility to have checked that gun before it was handed to an actor.
Not anyone else.
As to live rounds on the set that would be the Armor's responsibility also.
Nope...sorry.
I don't care who hands you a firearm...it is YOUR responsibility for the safety of said firearm as soon as you control it.
Period...
Not to mention he pulled that trigger for no good reason. Not shooting a scene...victim was not an actor.
Worse...Baldwin is the producer...he hired the armorer.
The safety on that set ultimately falls upon him.
Nov 18, 2021 10:30:11 #
Agree: "I don't care who hands you a firearm...it is YOUR responsibility for the safety of said firearm as soon as you control it."
I add here that by news media accounts, AB had no intention to shoot to kill another. AB killed another accidentally.
I add here that by news media accounts, AB had no intention to shoot to kill another. AB killed another accidentally.
Canisdirus wrote:
Nope...sorry.
I don't care who hands you a firearm...it is YOUR responsibility for the safety of said firearm as soon as you control it.
Period...
Not to mention he pulled that trigger for no good reason. Not shooting a scene...victim was not an actor.
Worse...Baldwin is the producer...he hired the armorer.
The safety on that set ultimately falls upon him.
I don't care who hands you a firearm...it is YOUR responsibility for the safety of said firearm as soon as you control it.
Period...
Not to mention he pulled that trigger for no good reason. Not shooting a scene...victim was not an actor.
Worse...Baldwin is the producer...he hired the armorer.
The safety on that set ultimately falls upon him.
Nov 18, 2021 11:38:29 #
Why the heck were live rounds on a movie set? Has that been asked?
Who hired the armorer and the guy who handed Baldwin the gun? I finally heard somebody on the news ask that question. Whoever did the hiring has to take responsibility.
Who hired the armorer and the guy who handed Baldwin the gun? I finally heard somebody on the news ask that question. Whoever did the hiring has to take responsibility.
Nov 18, 2021 15:29:01 #
SteveR wrote:
Why the heck were live rounds on a movie set? Has that been asked?
Who hired the armorer and the guy who handed Baldwin the gun? I finally heard somebody on the news ask that question. Whoever did the hiring has to take responsibility.
Who hired the armorer and the guy who handed Baldwin the gun? I finally heard somebody on the news ask that question. Whoever did the hiring has to take responsibility.
The Producer is responsible...
Guess who...
Nov 18, 2021 22:48:49 #
Canisdirus wrote:
The Producer is responsible...
Guess who...
Guess who...
Trying to save a buck hiring cheap people and not enough of them. Nobody's had the guts to say what you did, but ultimately, it will come back to him and he'll pay out the wazoo.
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