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Jun 9, 2021 18:24:17   #
btbg
 
Kraken wrote:
Vice President Kamala Harris is in Guatemala and Mexico this week to better understand the root causes that drive Central American migrants to the US. It's her first foreign trip as vice president after Biden tasked her with leading efforts to stem the flow of migrants to the southern border. The Biden administration is under increasing pressure to address the situation at the border, and Harris' visit comes as a record number of unaccompanied children crossed into the US this spring. In the region, Harris plans to meet with not just political leaders but also community leaders and entrepreneurs.
Vice President Kamala Harris is in Guatemala and M... (show quote)


Guatemala's president told Harris the reason. Biden's policies. Pretty simple, isn't it?

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Jun 9, 2021 18:33:29   #
btbg
 
CWGordon wrote:
Open Borders for immigrants isn’t the the real issue. The LAW (right wing guys say they support law) mandates they be allowed to come HERE to apply for permission to stay. Donny ran roughshod over those laws. If he had allowed Obama era rules to apply people would have been able to remain in their Countries when applying and waiting for decisions on those applications. Border crossings illegally were way down because of such common sense measures.
Border Walls were one small measure used in specific areas to control crossings. The problem was telling people that it was a good idea to put up a big beautiful wall all across the entire border; a ridiculous and cost-prohibitive idea. Drones and rapid deployment of Agents (Border Patrol) was a far more effective and far less expensive approach, nonetheless rejected by those who failed to appreciate that tax dollars in huge amounts would be required to pay for even moderate increases in wall length. Instead they supported the Wall, through which people could pass after cutting holes in it with little more than a warm butter knife.
Walls have never worked, anywhere. Ask Hadrian, ask the Chinese, ask the builders of the former Berlin Wall. None have ever had any long-term success. All were ineffective. Even a tall wall will fail. Show me a 20’ wall and I’ll show you a 21’ ladder, or a shovel. Where there is a will, there is a way! Drones and sound detection systems backed with boots on the ground are still the most effective means of control.
Also, to be t***hful, you will never stop all of the crossings. The places where these people come from offer only fear, hunger, human rights violations, and violence. Little or no opportunity to im prove their lot in life. Simply, even in our worst times there is too much opportunity here to not try to get some of it. If we can help some of these countries (IF, that is) maybe the plight of the people who might otherwise be the ones to leave, maybe fewer would leave. This seems almost an insurmountable problem, but all avenues should be explored. Sumpin’ needs to be done.
Again, it is the LAW that permits people to come here to apply for entry and sanctuary. It is not something you can correctly blame on this Administration. It is a problem that built up pressure during the last few years and could to a large degree, been defused, if it had not become fuel and fodder for political gain.
Open Borders for immigrants isn’t the the real iss... (show quote)


We have spent billions of dollars over the year in foreign aid for these countries.

As far as i*********n l*w, i*********n l*w allows for asylum seekers, but the people coming in now are not legitimate asylum seekers. They are here for economic opportunity, not a valid reason for asylum.

We have one of the most liberal and generous immigration policies in the world, and since Biden took over people are taking advantage of our generosity. There are more people crossing the border each month since Biden took over. At the current rate, it will be well over a million this year. My guess would be it's more like 2 million since we know that border patrol is not seeing everyone who crosses.

As far as walls. Walls do not stop someone who is truly determined, but they are a deterrent and make the kind of enforcement that you are talking about easier to do as they tend to make people come through smaller choke points.

And, we already had fences, but those were torn down as the wall was being built and then Biden stopped the wall, but did not put the fences back up. That leaves the border totally open. Do you honestly think that is a good idea?

Also, they are no longer giving people a court date before they release them into the U.S. they are told to go on their own to register and make a court date. Do you honestly think that most of them are going to do that? I don't. So, we are just letting them disappear into our country, and we are sticking honest hard working tax payers with the bill.

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Jun 9, 2021 20:54:04   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
IDguy wrote:
On Facebook today.


180,000 in May.

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Jun 9, 2021 21:38:42   #
dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
She went, she talked, and gave her message, "don't come". Not, come here if you are fleeing for your life, simply "don't come". As I heard one pundit put it, she sounded like a high-school student attending a mock-UN conference. The first candidate to drop out of the 2020 Democratic primary is the same joke she was then.


Boy you're a real heart warmer, aren't you? What pundit?

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Jun 9, 2021 21:45:50   #
dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii
 
btbg wrote:
Guatemala's president told Harris the reason. Biden's policies. Pretty simple, isn't it?


I fail to see the logic in your response. The reason for what? Graft, rape, and hunger are due to Biden's policies?

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Jun 9, 2021 21:50:46   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
btbg wrote:
We have spent billions of dollars over the year in foreign aid for these countries.

As far as i*********n l*w, i*********n l*w allows for asylum seekers, but the people coming in now are not legitimate asylum seekers. They are here for economic opportunity, not a valid reason for asylum.

We have one of the most liberal and generous immigration policies in the world, and since Biden took over people are taking advantage of our generosity. There are more people crossing the border each month since Biden took over. At the current rate, it will be well over a million this year. My guess would be it's more like 2 million since we know that border patrol is not seeing everyone who crosses.

As far as walls. Walls do not stop someone who is truly determined, but they are a deterrent and make the kind of enforcement that you are talking about easier to do as they tend to make people come through smaller choke points.

And, we already had fences, but those were torn down as the wall was being built and then Biden stopped the wall, but did not put the fences back up. That leaves the border totally open. Do you honestly think that is a good idea?

Also, they are no longer giving people a court date before they release them into the U.S. they are told to go on their own to register and make a court date. Do you honestly think that most of them are going to do that? I don't. So, we are just letting them disappear into our country, and we are sticking honest hard working tax payers with the bill.
We have spent billions of dollars over the year in... (show quote)


Source?

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Jun 9, 2021 21:51:01   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
letmedance wrote:
180,000 in May.


Source?

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Jun 9, 2021 21:52:36   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
dlwhawaii wrote:
I fail to see the logic in your response. The reason for what? Graft, rape, and hunger are due to Biden's policies?


Come on, you know the t***h, he said Biden gave them an invite. There are certainly some fleeing because of the other reasons but?

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Jun 9, 2021 22:14:34   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
thom w wrote:
Source?


Look it up for me and let me know if I am wrong, perhaps it was April. Maybe if you right click on it an select search with google you will find many sources and then again maybe not. I just heard it on the radio this afternoon and find no reason to doubt it. Immigration reform is the code word for Amnesty for illegal residents

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Jun 9, 2021 22:25:59   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
letmedance wrote:
Look it up for me and let me know if I am wrong, perhaps it was April. Maybe if you right click on it an select search with google you will find many sources and then again maybe not. I just heard it on the radio this afternoon and find no reason to doubt it. Immigration reform is the code word for Amnesty for illegal residents


You have no more requirement to supply sources than I do to believe you if you don't.

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Jun 9, 2021 22:27:16   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
scooter1 wrote:
Kind of like your law breaking spew to soba. "You cite "laws" but you don't identify any" that would be broken.


If you wish a response you'll have to refresh my memory.

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Jun 9, 2021 22:30:47   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
scooter1 wrote:
Seriously?? You are out there! How about all you crying liberals start taking care of all the i*****l a***ns by providing them a room in your house, food and t***sportation. How many are you taking care of? That's what I thought. Somewhere along the line liberals have lost the concept pf legal and illegal. Help them out and you will be an accomplice to the crime.


I'm of the belief that it is you who failed to differentiate between illegal and legal. You seem to have your own definition of each.
We used to have a dog that would "scoot" on the carpet. Mom h**ed that. Is that how you came by your name?

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Jun 9, 2021 22:33:49   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
IDguy wrote:
This is for the dumbos that think Harris is doing something new.

She apparently missed the border by several hundred miles.


Wow what was she thinking, going to the source of many of the immigrants, and therefore the problem?

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Jun 10, 2021 01:12:27   #
Steven Loc: So. Milwaukee, WI.
 
If bird brain biden would have engaged his brains before he disengaged his pen when he took office, we wouldn't have this mess. And if that 80 year old v***s named Palosi would've kept her bung hole mouth shut instead telling our neighbors to the south that we have open borders, this mess wouldn't have started. I hope everyone who v**ed for that i***t suffers for it 10 fold.

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Jun 10, 2021 06:52:02   #
Watash
 
dlwhawaii wrote:
We the people? Got mice in your pocket? Sounds a little like jealousy rearing its ugly head.


https://babylonbee.com/news/border-crisis-solved-immigrants-flee-in-terror-after-hearing-kamala-harris-cackle

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