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Apr 20, 2021 14:04:15   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
My wife has Photo Shop Elements and I have GIMP. I have never had anything Photo shop. GIMP has a steep learning curve but there are plenty of tutorial on UHH and on You Tube. I also use Fast Stone Image Viewer but rarely mostly GIMP. I've used it for a lot of years. I think a UHH member named 'Snarky' created the tutorials. That's a few years ago.

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Apr 20, 2021 14:06:21   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
Ysarex wrote:
You have choice. I run both Windows and Linux on the same computer. It's not hard. I can't think of anything more backward than deciding what application software to run based on the OS. An OS exists to support application software. If it doesn't then it has no reason to exist. I don't care what OS I'm using -- I can't process a photo with an OS.

No matter how good you get using GIMP, you have to do more work for the same result. Biggest problem with GIMP is you often lack visual feedback in process. You have to commit an action to see the result and then evaluate if the result is acceptable -- if not you have to try again. That is so bogus.

The cost argument is silly. I like many here have multiple cameras. That's thousands of $$$. Add in the lenses and how could I possibly complain about my software cost at around $150.00 per year. If I can't afford the software I have no business affording the cameras.

Choosing to use an editor like GIMP increases your requirement for disk storage substantially in order to save your work. That's a hidden cost. GIMP is expensive to use.
You have choice. I run both Windows and Linux on t... (show quote)


Good points that I didn't know.......thanks.

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Apr 20, 2021 14:08:20   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
dwmoar wrote:
No that is not the latest version of GiMP - it is a fork of GiMP

GiMP is at version 2.10
Glimpse is at version 0.2.0

According to the project’s first blog post, they created this fork because they did not like the GIMP name. According to the post, “A number of us disagree that the name of the software is suitable for all users, and after 13 years of the project refusing to budge on this have decided to fork!”


Thanks for your insight dwmoar.

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Apr 20, 2021 14:08:53   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
dwmoar wrote:
Darktable doesn't support CR3 yet, but they are working on it, but RawTherapee does


Thanks for the info.

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Apr 20, 2021 14:11:51   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
Ysarex wrote:
You have choice. I run both Windows and Linux on the same computer. It's not hard. I can't think of anything more backward than deciding what application software to run based on the OS. An OS exists to support application software. If it doesn't then it has no reason to exist. I don't care what OS I'm using -- I can't process a photo with an OS.

No matter how good you get using GIMP, you have to do more work for the same result. Biggest problem with GIMP is you often lack visual feedback in process. You have to commit an action to see the result and then evaluate if the result is acceptable -- if not you have to try again. That is so bogus.

The cost argument is silly. I like many here have multiple cameras. That's thousands of $$$. Add in the lenses and how could I possibly complain about my software cost at around $150.00 per year. If I can't afford the software I have no business affording the cameras.

Choosing to use an editor like GIMP increases your requirement for disk storage substantially in order to save your work. That's a hidden cost. GIMP is expensive to use.
You have choice. I run both Windows and Linux on t... (show quote)

Lack of visual feedback in process is a very important aspect........even a deal breaker for me.

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Apr 20, 2021 14:12:13   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
rfmaude41 wrote:
The "latest in NOT GIMP, but GLIMPSE 0.2



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Apr 20, 2021 14:13:06   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
johngault007 wrote:
I would imagine most users on this forum aren't professional photographers. I chose Linux long before I became interested in photography, so my choice of operating system wasn't dependent on a few applications I may run for a hobby. It's great that you figured out how to dual boot or run a VM of Windows/Linux, but it's not everyone's choice, it's your choice.

But you will pick apart anyone and everyone that chooses to use something other than what you think is ideal. The reality is, some of us choose open source software and we learn our own methods and processes and are pretty happy doing it.
I would imagine most users on this forum aren't pr... (show quote)



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Apr 20, 2021 14:14:45   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
Ysarex wrote:
You have choice. I run both Windows and Linux on the same computer. It's not hard. I can't think of anything more backward than deciding what application software to run based on the OS. An OS exists to support application software. If it doesn't then it has no reason to exist. I don't care what OS I'm using -- I can't process a photo with an OS.

No matter how good you get using GIMP, you have to do more work for the same result. Biggest problem with GIMP is you often lack visual feedback in process. You have to commit an action to see the result and then evaluate if the result is acceptable -- if not you have to try again. That is so bogus.

The cost argument is silly. I like many here have multiple cameras. That's thousands of $$$. Add in the lenses and how could I possibly complain about my software cost at around $150.00 per year. If I can't afford the software I have no business affording the cameras.

Choosing to use an editor like GIMP increases your requirement for disk storage substantially in order to save your work. That's a hidden cost. GIMP is expensive to use.
You have choice. I run both Windows and Linux on t... (show quote)


Thank you for your thoughts on this topic.

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Apr 20, 2021 14:18:46   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
bsprague wrote:
I've read 10 pages! I didn't find posts suggesting the $10 plan had bad software in it. Nor did anyone write that it was overpriced. Compared to film or even coffee, it is pretty cheap. At least fair!

The objection is always about the business model of subscriptions. One of the results is that Adobe went from a revenue rollercoaster to a steady stream. Why is that important? It makes software development planning a predictable and budgetable process. We photographers benefit.

There is a no cost and legitimate way to get the full suite at no charge. Adobe has a system of forums that work nearly the same as UHH. Users exchange tips and solutions. Anyone can participate. It is fun and I always learn a lot. If you like it and apply (or maybe be invited) you can become an "ACP" or "Adobe Community Professional". You agree to try post about once a day to help someone out. In exchange Adobe provides you the full Creative Cloud suite.
I've read 10 pages! I didn't find posts suggestin... (show quote)


Thanks for the tip about ACP. Don't you think Adobe will increase the price of the subscription in the future? They almost have to, right? Once they hook all the pros and non pros on the program they could easily raise the prices.

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Apr 20, 2021 14:24:02   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
BassmanBruce wrote:
Brent, after you get the subscription (assuming you do) consider buying a second not to pricey machine and install your existing PS on it. Not to expensive and you can dabble in whichever suits your mood.


Bruce, yes, I have made up my mind to get the subscription. I'm planning on using the state of the art PS on my computer. I'm not planning on getting another computer. Thanks for the idea though........it's always nice to hear other options that I might not have considered.

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Apr 20, 2021 14:26:09   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
tramsey wrote:
My wife has Photo Shop Elements and I have GIMP. I have never had anything Photo shop. GIMP has a steep learning curve but there are plenty of tutorial on UHH and on You Tube. I also use Fast Stone Image Viewer but rarely mostly GIMP. I've used it for a lot of years. I think a UHH member named 'Snarky' created the tutorials. That's a few years ago.


tramsey, and if that works for you, then more power to you! I've decided to pay the subscription and it will be ok.

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Apr 20, 2021 15:06:23   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
Hello Brent,

I have been using the GIMP - GNU Image Manipulation Program - not a gimp - for several years now. It is very capable and has most of the features found in PS. It took a bit of time to get comfortable with it. There are myriad plugins for it and all are free. GIMP can run a lot of PS plugins.

I have and use the NIK collection in GIMP - no problem. There is now a plugin named "UFRaw" that can load and edit raw files.

Give it a try...

Ed

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Apr 20, 2021 15:07:20   #
edrobinsonjr Loc: Boise, Idaho
 
BrentHarder wrote:
LOL.......I didn't know it was named GIMP for that reason! I've been trying to use both programs and am really struggling with Affinity Photo but have been learning GIMP much faster.


It wasn't named GIMP for that reason!

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Apr 20, 2021 15:15:56   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Always fun trying to come up with good acronyms.
One year I was involved in a NASA program and they were looking for an acronym. I suggested Wideband Ionospheric Modification Program but nobody else liked it.

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Apr 20, 2021 17:42:13   #
dwmoar Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
 
Ysarex wrote:
You have choice. I run both Windows and Linux on the same computer. It's not hard. I can't think of anything more backward than deciding what application software to run based on the OS. An OS exists to support application software. If it doesn't then it has no reason to exist. I don't care what OS I'm using -- I can't process a photo with an OS.

No matter how good you get using GIMP, you have to do more work for the same result. Biggest problem with GIMP is you often lack visual feedback in process. You have to commit an action to see the result and then evaluate if the result is acceptable -- if not you have to try again. That is so bogus.

The cost argument is silly. I like many here have multiple cameras. That's thousands of $$$. Add in the lenses and how could I possibly complain about my software cost at around $150.00 per year. If I can't afford the software I have no business affording the cameras.

Choosing to use an editor like GIMP increases your requirement for disk storage substantially in order to save your work. That's a hidden cost. GIMP is expensive to use.
You have choice. I run both Windows and Linux on t... (show quote)


Yeah it is pretty clear to all that you are a GiMP hater and that is OK, to each his own. As for me having a choice, as I said I chose to use Linux and because of that I also choose to use GiMP since Photoshop is not made for Linux and I refuse to run that bug riddled OS called Windows even virtually. Those are the choices I make and will stay with. Your cost argument is pretty lame, I bet you own a car, but yet complain about gas to drive it or when it comes time to repair or maintain it. To tell people GiMP is useless because you don't like it or can't use it is just stupid at best. You argument about how bad GiMP is your opinion, and we all can take it for what it is. Use what you like, no one else is telling you not to and you wouldn't listen even if they did.

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