A Warning (Page 2): A traffic stop for an air freshener h*****g from the rear view mirror, illegal in some jurisdictions, resulted in the police shooting a young black man to death.

Ollieboy

[quote=gvarner]A traffic stop for an air freshener h*****g from the rear view mirror, illegal in some jurisdictions, resulted in the police shooting a young black man to death. The officer thought she had pulled her Tazer but had pulled her

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jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

kodiac1062 wrote:

Not sure what you are trying to say here? Tragic results?

Being shot to death.

lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland

For those who conclude that the issue is more an issue of failing to follow orders rather than a tragedy of disproportionate police enforcement of rules, you should evaluate your entire definition of justice.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

lesdmd wrote:

For those who conclude that the issue is more an issue of failing to follow orders rather than a tragedy of disproportionate police enforcement of rules, you should evaluate your entire definition of justice.

Hmmmmm.
If he complied in an orderly fashion, it would have still escalated?

My definition simply doesn't coincide with your definition.

lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland

Longshadow wrote:

Hmmmmm.
If he complied in an orderly fashion, it would have still escalated?

My definition simply doesn't coincide with your definition.

No. You see firing a weapon into someone, whose response to orders was reactive but not violent, as justifiable. The kid was wrong, but the cop was “wronger”.
I am not questioning the authority granted to police; but with the abuse of privilege and power given them.
As a father I can discipline my child; but it would be criminal if, because he turned his back when I gave him an order, that I beat him with a baseball bat. My behavior would be reprehensible and my son’s injuries a tragedy.
Two facts: We do not know what would have happened had the young driver followed directions; but b***k A******ns have good reason to fear that it would not be good. Second, you continue to ignore that the taking of life, under the circumstances, was and is a tragedy.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

lesdmd wrote:

No. You see firing a weapon into someone, whose response to orders was reactive but not violent, as justifiable. ...
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I NEVER said that! Or thinking that the taking of a life isn't a tragedy.
YOU put those words in my mouth

From a supposition YOU made!
All I said was our definitions are different!
GET A GRIP!

Apparently you don't play well with others...
In the Attic...

lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland

Longshadow wrote:

I i b NEVER /b /i said that! Or thinking that ... (show quote)

What conclusion am I to draw from your enthusiastic multiple thumbs up response to "Follow the Officers orders and don't put the officer in danger and everything will go fine."
So exactly how do you define "justice". My dictionary equates it with "fair treatment". Was the dead young man treated fairly by your definition. Or were you defining the word "tragedy", which so far I do not see you mentioning.

Keep up the ad hominem attacks and I am sure this will end up in the Attic, where you perhaps feel more comfortable?

pbearperry Loc: Massachusetts

berchman wrote:

I have a question for the former or current police on the forum: Do you find it credible that an officer with 26 years on the force could accidentally draw her firearm rather than her taser and shoot it while thinking she is shooting a taser?

She may not had the Taser on her belt for 27 years. She may have been scared. Every day a Cop is murdered somewhere in this Country. Many cops are terrified of death and loss of jobs for many reasons because of the current climate. There were tactical mistakes all around on this stop. Once it was determined he had an outstanding warrant, he should have been walked away from the open car door.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

lesdmd wrote:

What conclusion am I to draw from your enthusiastic multiple thumbs up response to "Follow the Officers orders and don't put the officer in danger and everything will go fine."

That I agree with that statement, AND ONLY THAT STATEMENT. But you seem to like to extrapolate it further.

lesdmd wrote:

So exactly how do you define "justice". My dictionary equates it with "fair treatment". Was the dead young man treated fairly by your definition. Or were you defining the word "tragedy", which so far I do not see you mentioning.

Agreed, fair treatment. I don't have to state (reaffirm) "a tragedy" if something is one.
We all know it was.

lesdmd wrote:

Keep up the ad hominem attacks and I am sure this will end up in the Attic, where you perhaps feel more comfortable?

Not attacking you, simply correcting your thoughts about me and stating some observations.
You seem to like Attic fodder, not me.
And what prompted you to go berserk was me ASKING a simple question....

We're done.

twosummers Loc: Melbourne Australia or Lincolnshire England

Police often exceed their authority whilst confusing that with their powers. Often armed to the teeth and hunting in packs they feel invincible and often (I speak for the UK) show an ignorance of the law. The levels of corruption in the forces here is becoming a disappointing statistic. I'm alarmed that often (here) we give these people guns. A few years ago whilst shooting (with a camera) a street view for a real estate client I was asked by an unhappy neighbour what (the hell) I thought I was doing? I explained but he called the police - staggeringly they came in a patrol car with blue lights flashing and two officers challenged me. When I explained the law they had to look it up on their little phone machines whilst demanding my ID (which I refused to give). In the end they called their station and as they were listening they turned a whiter shade of pale before disappearing into the sunset. The neighbour now has a problem with the police.

srron Loc: Courtice,On.

If he was white he would still be alive.

bigjoe

It’s an awful thin slice meat that has one side it’s obvious they knew this gentleman had a warrant for his arrest and he ran If he held his ground he would be alive today and probably be released on OR by now I believe that if you are in law-enforcement you are held to a higher standard and when it goes wrong thay held to a more severe punishment that being said there are two kinds of people in the world law-abiding and criminal every day we make the decision which person we’re going to be

DAN Phillips Loc: Graysville, GA

For all of you critics of the police, i suggest you ride in a cruiser with them for several shifts before you so harshly judge. I have been a deputy sheriff and deputy coroner and fireman; experience the feeling!

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

srron wrote:

If he was white he would still be alive.

Sounds r****t.

Stephan G

berchman wrote:

I have a question for the former or current police on the forum: Do you find it credible that an officer with 26 years on the force could accidentally draw her firearm rather than her taser and shoot it while thinking she is shooting a taser?

The one question that I have. Who's the i***t who insisted on designing the taser to look and feel like a gun? In the heat of a situation, motor actions trip out faster than thought processed re-action.

Yes, it is plausible that even a trained officer with years of experience can make that deadly error.