mwalsh Loc: Houston

Please cite your source for these claims.

LoL

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Yes all MIGHT be to blame for r****m but then again most are not to blame. I have never once gone out of my way to be rude to anyone because of their color. And yet, as you see here often, I and other Conservatives are openly called R****T simply because we are white. Don't you personally get tired of that s**t, John? I sure do. To hear you on the Left talk, it is ONLY Conservatives who are r****t yet the Left suffers no r****m whatsoever. Damn, that must be wonderful to be worn with the Non R****t privilege like you have been. I can't help but wonder how black people keep track of us since you don't wear a sign on your forehead that says, Left Winger/Non R****t White Person. How DO they do it, black people, that is. Must be a gift. How do they even keep black r****ts against other b****s straight. After all every black police officer is deemed a r****t even though they have black skin. Again, must be a gift from God for black people to be able to judge r****ts so easily as all of you do on the Left do. Effing Amazing, huh?

You say all sides are at fault but at any point in your life have you called a black person a r****t, even thought as much? I doubt it. After all, they are black and of course according to the Left are not r****t but poor downtrodden people trying to make their way in a white r****t world. Are you finally admitting that is not true? Can you say it out loud for all of your Left Wing buddies to see or is it a secret still?

As for your traffic stops do you really, like REALLY, think you were treated well because you are white? What was it they police officers learned about you? Surely they knew you were white, are you white, as they walked up to the vehicle. Did you tell them something about you that we are not aware of? Why do you say you were the victim? That is an interesting concept on its own. Victim of what? Apparently if the police stopped you, you were not the victim at all but were presumed to have broken some traffic infraction or law. That makes society the victim not you. But it is interesting that a simple traffic stop makes you the victim. It would seem you view the police as antagonists when the reality of it is the police are paid to enforce laws that people like you apparently have broken. Maybe you need to rethink the value and job duties of police officers. Most any one of them would give their life to save yours and yet you and the rest of the Left put police officers in a bad light as if they are against all of us. Of course common sense people look at it completely the opposite. The police do their best to keep us safe from the criminal element and also from ourselves when we speed down the road or drive while under the influence.

John I blame b****s for their problems because often they are the cause of their problems. I do not ever blame all b****s for all black problems but when I see b****s, w****s too, on welfare for a lifetime without any evidence of getting a job, getting an education, having more children to collect more welfare money and then blaming whitey for their problems then yes, I do blame those specific people. I look up to many b****s and have nothing but respect for those who have worked just as the rest of us have worked, gotten an education, get up every morning send their kids off to school, go to work and so on.

I blame the Left, your Left and you, who want special privileges for b****s over w****s. Some politicians spout off about taking care of b****s specifically to gain v**es. Why should b****s be treated any differently than other races? Good question for you. Every American should be under the very same laws and be treated fairly according to those laws. Yet the Left wants special privileges for b****s, the Affirmative Action program is an example. It did not work and displaced hard working w****s and other races just to give a hand up to b****s. Why can't b****s make their own hand up by getting an education and working hard just as I and most likely you had to do. You do realize that giving black people everything as if they are not capable of achieving on their own is one of the worst examples of r****t behavior. Your side of the aisle does it still after over 100 years of doing it. Let those people go. Give them their freedom from the Democratic Plantation.

Dennis

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

I think there is plenty of data to support my claim, which I made, BTW, without looking anything up but going simply by gut feel from what I have read and heard. In retrospect I would say the media (that I have followed) has NOT overblown the issue, but rather has presented it fairly and responsibly.

But to please you and satisfy my own curiosity as to the veracity of my claim I did a search and came up with many sources of statistics. Here is just one for you:

Risk of being k**led by police use of force in the United States by age, race–ethnicity, and sex
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

Below are two graphs from that article that pretty much support my claim. A key statement in the article based on the second graph is "The highest levels of ine******y in mortality risk are experienced by black men. Black men are about 2.5 times more likely to be k**led by police over the life course than are white men."

Q.E.D.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

Dennis, you really are missing my key points.

First, deal with me as an individual. Don't paint me with your preconceived notions of what ALL Left Wingers are; and don't assume that my beliefs apply to all Liberal leaning folks. If I have called you anything it is because of what you have said, not because you call yourself a Conservative.

Second, don't assume what you don't know (such as doubting I have ever called a black person r****t). I have stated that both sides are to blame. Skin colour should have nothing to do with any situation... other than choosing the right shade of makeup to wear!

Third, I called myself a "victim" of police stops to make a point... one that seemed to fly over your head. So here is the point in detail. When I was stopped the police would have assumed I was an ordinary (white) guy who broke the law (speeding). When the policemen approached my vehicle and saw diplomatic licence plates he apologized for stopping me, told me to have a nice day and suggested I slow down a bit. I have had numerous similar changes in attitude of officials at border crossings, airport screenings, etc, once they learned of my status. The point I am making is that the officer's perception of me changed because I could change his perception of me, even as a white guy. But if a black person is stopped by a policeman who has it in for b****s, there is nothing the "victim" can do to change his colour. Let me drive the point home for you: IF you as a policeman were truly r****t against b****s (rightly or wrongly I have called you that, but let's go with it for now) and HAD you stopped Obama (whom you despise), then learning of his status as POTUS would have probably driven you to be even harsher on him than on any other black person!!!

Fourth point: Affirmative Action. I have mixed feelings about that. No one should be hired for a job if they are not qualified. And if it turns out that, hypothetically, intelligent/capable black people do not want to be police officers, then why hire dumb/incompetents just to alter the racial mix of the force? Note: I am exaggerating here to make a point!

I have to say that I really believed the US had gotten over their racial issues a long time ago. I even "complemented" Americans on having gotten past that cultural/racial divide when we had the French in Canada talking about seceding from the country. I now believe that the racial prejudice issue has been festering/smouldering in the background for years, and I actually blame Trump for having given oxygen to that fire. He gave people the green light to express their inner feelings openly via his name calling, rhetoric and grandstanding. Truly p**********l behaviour that everyone in America should emulate!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!

anotherview Loc: California

Thank for additional info on the issue. A question arises: What variables contribute to the askew outcome for the death of black folk by an encounter with the police? Has anybody analyzed this phenomenon? It certainly begs looking into?

I contend that behavior matters no matter the race of an individual. My contention comes from personal experience and from common sense.

As well, a dual protocol exists for governing when a police officer may shoot another. If an individual threatens the safety of a police officer or another, the officer may shoot that individual.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

I think some of these things are stuck in a positive feedback loop, or the variables you ask about are interwoven in a such a complex way that it is difficult to know where to start. I don't envy the people charged with solving this.

anotherview Loc: California

It is a hot potato for sure.