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Feb 27, 2021 09:55:20   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
Longshadow wrote:
Both my cameras will do video, at least the dialy thing on top says they will.
Maybe some day I'll try it. I've no idea how many feet per second they do.


LOL ft/sec

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Feb 27, 2021 10:03:42   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Wallen wrote:
Nope, but I am well aware of what they do because we sell them.
By choice, I do not own a mirrorless, not because of ignorance.


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Feb 27, 2021 10:44:19   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
larryepage wrote:
No. I think it's just the idiotic notion that as soon as a new version of something is introduced, all the versions that came before are suddenly worthless garbage.

Here is a non-photographic example. In May of 2019, I bought a new vehicle made by an American manufacturer. Of course, my inbox was immediately flooded with emails from them about all sorts of things. The goal was to make sure I felt good about spending all that money. Before long, the tone of those emails shifted to trying to convince me to "trade up" to the "redesigned" 2020 version of the same model in order to experience all the advantages it offers. Are there improvements? Possibly, although none that are obvious to me. What is true is that the 2020 model is significantly smaller. This is a big deal, because the 2019 is just barely big enough.

So as far as I can tell, the only ones who would benefit if I did trade would be the manufacturer and the dealer. Not interested.

Cameras are exactly the same. There are probably some photographers who would benefit from the switch. There are probably more who have the illusion that they would benefit. My own sense of reality tells me I am fine staying where I am and either hanging on to my money or using it for something else.

Let's face it. Most "photographers" need a lot more than a new camera to improve. Personally, I need vision that is not declining because of glaucoma. Some on this site need expanded imagination. Some need a better realization of what might be interesting to others. Some need a better understanding of basic principles. Some do need a camera that is easier to use and to apply those fundamentals. Very few really have a specific need to get rid of a mirror.
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Feb 27, 2021 10:59:36   #
charles tabb Loc: Richmond VA.
 
billnikon wrote:
Live view is a term usually used when the rear screen is used for viewing. Mirrorless is a term used for mirrorless camera's. I am sure you are referring to mirrorless camera's?
I currently own both DSLR's and mirrorless camera's, the biggest advantages of mirrorless are that I can see exactly what the exposure is going to be BEFORE I trip the shutter, I no longer need to FINE TURN any lens, and I can shoot at 20 frames a second and soon 30 frames per second.
As far as image quality goes, yes, you can get outstanding image quality from either. Though image quality is more a function of the photographer than the camera.
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Just an observation from a dummy.
I have a Sony a99II which I love. It had a translucent mirror. What I see in my viewfinder is what I get. When I take a shot the mirror doesn't move. All I feel that I would gain if I bought a mirrorless camera would be less weight. My camera's weight has never been a problem for me. I have not seen any reason to change as yet.
I am now 82 years old and weight hasn't been a problem.

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Feb 27, 2021 11:04:09   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Wallen wrote:
LOL ft/sec

fps and FPS are different.....

but hey, lower case for everything is all the rage.

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Feb 27, 2021 12:27:22   #
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Can’t we get one of those ?!?”

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Feb 28, 2021 06:27:12   #
bodiebill
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
One can sooner stop the sun from rising than deny the arrival of mirrorless cameras.


Dang! That would really help Global Warming!

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Feb 28, 2021 08:48:53   #
Brenda IS Scottish Loc: GOLDEN Colorado
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
One can sooner stop the sun from rising than deny the arrival of mirrorless cameras.



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Mar 1, 2021 08:15:56   #
nikon123 Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
Well - this topic has certainly elicited some humorous responses! Thank you all for your part in this.
I am in the camp that changed to mirrorless a few years ago. My Z6 images are very bit as good as the images that were produced a la my DSLR camera. I love seeing the image 'in resal time' before the shutter is released. I love the reduction in size and weight. I love the "Z" lenses!
I never used 'live view' on my DSLR, most likely because I did not understand what it was/is.
Have a great day!

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Mar 1, 2021 09:04:41   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
User ID wrote:
It’s most curious that so many who scoff at the widespread shift to fully live view cameras will tend to point out that they haven’t yet seen any significant gains in image quality from live view systems as compared to SLRs. Is this ordinary short sightedness or is it an intentional classic straw man thing ? I haven’t yet heard of anyone adopting live view primarily for its image quality.


I've never compared image quality between live view and viewfinder image quality.
But a camera without a viewfinder is a no-go for me. Simply because when I first started to use a camera, I was allowed to borrow one of my Dad's (I was 12 yrs old at the time). He taught me how to hold and use it.
I was 21 when I finally bought my own camera - and used it exactly the same way Dad had taught me.
I find that feet apart a bit, elbows pushed against my side and pushing the camera against my face does help with holding it still.
Today's camera having an articulated live view is a bonus: The grandkids hate to have their pictures taken and would disappear as soon as brought out my camera and started to lift it to my face. That's when the camera gets to sit on a table, chair, my knee, or whatever stable surface is available, the screen gets positioned so that I can see the kids in it, and I've got the remote in my hand. Took some of my very best grandkid-pics that way!

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Mar 1, 2021 13:14:07   #
hrblaine
 
[quote=User ID]I’ll admit to having gear I don’t need. None of it is top shelf, so it’s not boosting my status before my peers either.

””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
"Boosting my status before my peers."

Problem for me is that I have no peers!" :-)

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Mar 1, 2021 14:36:20   #
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hrblaine wrote:

Problem for me is that I have no peers!" :-)

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Mar 1, 2021 16:55:18   #
Mikeg50 Loc: SE Missouri
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I don't like either live view of EVF so I stick with the SLR. I never liked the rangefinder either. If not SLR then I would go for a view camera. I like to observe the image formed by the lens.


Actually, you don’t see the image formed by the lens. You only see a reflection of what is in front of your camera. Your image can be wildly over or underexposed and not know it until you make the shot. I don’t like the image in my mirrorless viewfinder either but I love seeing the exact exposure I’m going to get.
This entire topic strikes me as strange. An awful lot of photographers justifying their decision to stay with what I consider obsolete technology. Virtually everything about my mirrorless camera is a step up in technology. Some of it an unfathomable improvement. Hanging on to DSLR is, in my opinion, like the railroad companies hanging on to the steam engine when the diesel locomotives came out. I collect old cameras and love them. So far, they are all mechanical film cameras. When digital SLRs get cheap enough, they will get added to my collection. For now, I have sold both of my awesome Canon’s and have no interest in looking back.

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Mar 1, 2021 17:08:25   #
BebuLamar
 
Mikeg50 wrote:
Actually, you don’t see the image formed by the lens. You only see a reflection of what is in front of your camera. Your image can be wildly over or underexposed and not know it until you make the shot. I don’t like the image in my mirrorless viewfinder either but I love seeing the exact exposure I’m going to get.
This entire topic strikes me as strange. An awful lot of photographers justifying their decision to stay with what I consider obsolete technology. Virtually everything about my mirrorless camera is a step up in technology. Some of it an unfathomable improvement. Hanging on to DSLR is, in my opinion, like the railroad companies hanging on to the steam engine when the diesel locomotives came out. I collect old cameras and love them. So far, they are all mechanical film cameras. When digital SLRs get cheap enough, they will get added to my collection. For now, I have sold both of my awesome Canon’s and have no interest in looking back.
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So if you remove the lens you still see the image in front of the camera?

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Mar 1, 2021 18:10:34   #
User ID
 
BebuLamar wrote:
So if you remove the lens you still see the image in front of the camera?

Howbout that. Took off the lens and the frosted screen that blocked my view, and I saw a reflection of what’s in front of the camera. Try it for yourself.

Definitely cannot do that with live view cameras. Totally pointless exercise, but there it was, a reflection of what’s in front of the camera, plain as day, and without any lens.

Then I put the lens back on the camera and couldn’t see much, until I also put the frosted screen back. So, what you actually see through a fully assembled SLR is just a piece of frosted plastic.

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