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Feb 18, 2021 22:11:59   #
bcharrison
 
xt2 wrote:
Barb, pop down to a camera store and try both out, it will be an easy decision once in hand...

Happy hunting!


I have tried the R5. I am waiting for the R6. I just have to wonder if these cameras are what they are cracked up to be

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Feb 18, 2021 22:36:32   #
oregonfrank Loc: Astoria, Oregon
 
billnikon wrote:
decrepit? Please explain this slur.


Yes, and are only old men decrepit, or are younger men decrepit too?

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Feb 18, 2021 22:54:14   #
bcharrison
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Hey Barb, one outstanding question from earlier is what lenses you have already as that tends to impact your decision making.

Regarding video and for confirmation, how much 8K video do you record today? How does a 20 minute limit at 8K and up to 15 minutes in 4K 120fps impact your intended EOS R5 usage? It seems this technical concern would be difficult for you (anyone) to encounter except for someone who's job is to find where a new camera breaks.

Regarding the 'set' button, now that you still have the problem, have you considered getting it properly repaired? Have you considered getting a quote from Canon and considering if a repair is the cost-effective approach vs buying a new $2500 EOS R6?
Hey Barb, one outstanding question from earlier is... (show quote)


I have a 70-200 f4 , 24-105 f4, 100 macro f2.8 and 300 f4. I would not buy new lenses. The cost for me is prohibitive. I would buy the middle priced adapter. I've done video and own a Panasonic HC-X900M. But my passion is stills.

My repair person sent the camera to Canon to be repaired a number of times. But like I said it still has its moments of not cooperating. Maybe I should speak with the repair person again. The R6 has the same number of pixels as the 6D.

Would you buy a mirrorless at this point or wait to see how it shakes out down the road. What do you own? If you decided to buy a new camera, what would you buy? You are very generous helping me.

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Feb 18, 2021 23:22:18   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
burkphoto wrote:
And there is NO need to tune any lens to a mirrorless camera body. Focus is achieved on sensor.


Do you have any idea why Nikon includes the AF fine tune option on their mirrorless cameras? I can confirm it's there on my Z6 and Z50. Could Nikon have just edited existing software when they came out with the Z cameras and forgot to delete it?

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Feb 19, 2021 00:01:04   #
bcharrison
 
jdmiles wrote:
The one suggestion in this thread that I have not seen as an option is to buy a used DSLR. There has to be some good ones available from others that are upgrading to mirrorless. Of course that only applies if you decide to stay with DSLR.


And I suppose that is what I will have to decide. OR just stick with what I have now and watch how the mirrorless world shakes out. I know that it has been around for awhile, so nothing may change. Curious to know what camera(s) you have and if you do not have a mirrorless, would you think of buying one?

I see you are from the windy city. How are you surviving this snow storm? barb

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Feb 19, 2021 00:37:09   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
bcharrison wrote:
I have a 70-200 f4 , 24-105 f4, 100 macro f2.8 and 300 f4. I would not buy new lenses. The cost for me is prohibitive. I would buy the middle priced adapter. I've done video and own a Panasonic HC-X900M. But my passion is stills.

My repair person sent the camera to Canon to be repaired a number of times. But like I said it still has its moments of not cooperating. Maybe I should speak with the repair person again. The R6 has the same number of pixels as the 6D.

Would you buy a mirrorless at this point or wait to see how it shakes out down the road. What do you own? If you decided to buy a new camera, what would you buy? You are very generous helping me.
I have a 70-200 f4 , 24-105 f4, 100 macro f2.8 and... (show quote)


Hey Barb, all your EF lenses will work just as good, if not better, on the mirrorless body. Personally, I have a still excellent EOS 5DIII and no rush / need to change. I added a mirrorless Sony a few years ago just to use old manual focus lenses from the 80s. The mirrorless platform is the future with the cameras being better than their DSLR counterparts today.

If money is not a limiting factor, getting a mirrorless camera is the best new camera to consider. Fixing your current camera would probably be the cheapest, as well as looking at options of a used EOS 5DIII, or 5DIV or the 6DII. The Set button is rather important to the full-frame EOS bodies, so I can appreciate the need to either fix or replace with a reliable body. These advanced EOS bodies are build to last for the long-haul. I plan to push my 5DIII for a full 10-years or a catastrophic failure, whichever comes first.

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Feb 19, 2021 02:10:50   #
yahart53
 
If you have the funds and don't mind spending them, then I suggest going with the mirrorless.

I have had my 6D for several years and have been very happy with results because it has been a beast, helping me to produce many great photos.

But I decided to switch to mirrorless, first the EOS R and then to EOS R6.

I am very pleased with the R6 especially since, for me, it opens up opportunities for improvement that would have been more challenging or not available with my 6D.

The IBIS and focus peaking are great for allowing me to use my vintage manual focus lenses with a lot more success; with the 6D that was pretty much hit or miss or more time consuming to get sharp, stable photos with these.

Of course the flip screen helps greatly with taking macro shots and other low-the-ground photos; option not available with the 6D.

Low noise shutter sound, faster autofocus response, eye autofocus for people and animals are all advantages over my 6D.

Only two downsides I see are shorter battery life (using my 6D batteries as extras) and lower megapixels but neither not major issues for me.

Yes, you can still take great photos with the 6D because it is no slouch, but I have essentially retired my 6D and 7D2. Will eventually sell the 6D and keep the 7D2 for occasional use mostly for wildlife or as a web Zoom camera (works great).

Bottom line if you have the fund free and clear, for the Canon mirrorless (R6), I don't think you will be disappointed.

I like the EOS R but not as much as the R6. Using the R mostly for landscape and R6 for action photography.

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Feb 19, 2021 02:33:11   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Thank you for the rundown. I own and use the Canon 6DII with the Sigma 24-105mm lens mounted to it. This combo produces very good photographs. I have no inclination to switch to a mirrorless camera. My present gear suits me.

I have yet to read any evaluation of the image quality of the mirrorless cameras outperforming DSLRs.
yahart53 wrote:
If you have the funds and don't mind spending them, then I suggest going with the mirrorless.

I have had my 6D for several years and have been very happy with results because it has been a beast, helping me to produce many great photos.

But I decided to switch to mirrorless, first the EOS R and then to EOS R6.

I am very pleased with the R6 especially since, for me, it opens up opportunities for improvement that would have been more challenging or not available with my 6D.

The IBIS and focus peaking are great for allowing me to use my vintage manual focus lenses with a lot more success; with the 6D that was pretty much hit or miss or more time consuming to get sharp, stable photos with these.

Of course the flip screen helps greatly with taking macro shots and other low-the-ground photos; option not available with the 6D.

Low noise shutter sound, faster autofocus response, eye autofocus for people and animals are all advantages over my 6D.

Only two downsides I see are shorter battery life (using my 6D batteries as extras) and lower megapixels but neither not major issues for me.

Yes, you can still take great photos with the 6D because it is no slouch, but I have essentially retired my 6D and 7D2. Will eventually sell the 6D and keep the 7D2 for occasional use mostly for wildlife or as a web Zoom camera (works great).

Bottom line if you have the fund free and clear, for the Canon mirrorless (R6), I don't think you will be disappointed.

I like the EOS R but not as much as the R6. Using the R mostly for landscape and R6 for action photography.
If you have the funds and don't mind spending them... (show quote)

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Feb 19, 2021 02:43:12   #
Patsworld Loc: Idaho
 
What computer changes are you suggesting?

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Feb 19, 2021 03:46:26   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
anotherview wrote:
Thank you for the rundown. I own and use the Canon 6DII with the Sigma 24-105mm lens mounted to it. This combo produces very good photographs. I have no inclination to switch to a mirrorless camera. My present gear suits me.

I have yet to read any evaluation of the image quality of the mirrorless cameras outperforming DSLRs.


Improved image quality is not the reason I added mirrorless to my arsenal and really with the image quality of most non-P&S cameras over the last several years one of the least reasons to get a new camera, much less go mirrorless. (Although the IQ of my Z7 is an improvement, but that’s a function of going to a 45mp FF sensor, not because it’s mirrorless). It’s the features that improve the user experience that I went mirrorless for. With IBIS I can handhold shots I never could with a DSLR. Focus peaking and focus magnification have given new life to manual focus. The smaller size and lighter weight are nice. But my favorite feature is seeing my exposure adjustments live. I was recently out shooting 30 second exposures with an ND filter and I could see the exposure I was getting.

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Feb 19, 2021 04:36:09   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Apart from all the well documented advantages of EVF, for me it means that I can have an uncumbersome retro rangefinder style (Pan GX8) that sits flat against my torso with the strap round my neck. With a pancake lens fitted the kit fits easily under my anorak. Second lens in one pocket, spare batteries and speedlight in the other.

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Feb 19, 2021 07:45:44   #
jdmiles Loc: Texas
 
Here is a good summary of differences between R, R5, and R6
https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camera/products/eos/product-1/pdfs/EOS-R5-improvements-part-1.pdf

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Feb 19, 2021 09:15:49   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
Been reading this stuff shame on you "CHG CANON" you convinced me to get a 5R. Probably next month.

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Feb 19, 2021 10:12:29   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Good morning. Your improved user experience prompted you to go mirrorless. I appreciate your breakdown of that experience.
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Improved image quality is not the reason I added mirrorless to my arsenal and really with the image quality of most non-P&S cameras over the last several years one of the least reasons to get a new camera, much less go mirrorless. (Although the IQ of my Z7 is an improvement, but that’s a function of going to a 45mp FF sensor, not because it’s mirrorless). It’s the features that improve the user experience that I went mirrorless for. With IBIS I can handhold shots I never could with a DSLR. Focus peaking and focus magnification have given new life to manual focus. The smaller size and lighter weight are nice. But my favorite feature is seeing my exposure adjustments live. I was recently out shooting 30 second exposures with an ND filter and I could see the exposure I was getting.
Improved image quality is not the reason I added m... (show quote)

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Feb 19, 2021 10:42:47   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
No been deciding for some time I did find that it might be some problems with some Tamron lenses and my picture count on my cameras are getting high. So if I go soon I will use my 5D as a back up.\, and get rid of my (now) backup.

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