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Jan 21, 2021 12:45:56   #
Canisdirus
 
The angle changes..unlike with an L bracket.
If you are shooting landscapes...there is a difference...if you framed carefully, to begin with. It is rotating 180...but also going to the left (or right). An L bracket maintains the exact same perspective.


Again, instead of a gimbal as a replacement...or a more expensive ball head that won't sag... I'd suggest a fluid head. They do everything that a ball head and a gimbal can do...and a good Manfrotto is around $170.
Once locked in place...there won't be any movement.
Let free...it will do anything a gimbal can.

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Jan 22, 2021 03:42:13   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
kotography4u wrote:
Thanks for the thoughts and tips - I hadn't thought about the trick of rotating the head clockwise so loosening of the camera wouldn't be an issue. I'll give it a try! Kevin

I’m still thinking that head is too light-duty, but hope I’m wrong. Let us know. I’m a little leery of the tripod, too. I have a Slik tripod I bought new many years ago. The label has long since fallen off so I don’t know the model but, from a picture I saw online, it looks almost exactly like yours. I use it with my light cameras and 90mm and under focal lengths, with light-duty heads (the right tool for the job). The online picture didn’t show them, but my tripod has grey plastic flip locks.

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Jan 25, 2021 17:30:44   #
kotography4u
 
Gene51 wrote:
Using weight as a criterion for tripod selection will most certainly result in money wasted on junk. Nearly every tripod on the market today, even those made of aluminum with lots of plastic parts, will support a 12 lb load. But only a well designed tripod with thick legs will provide the stability required to keep the images free of motion blur. The fact you have already gotten two tripods that won't work with your 600mm lens should tell you all you have to know. With your D850 and 600mm I wouldn't use any tripod with a top tube diameter less than 37mm - and that is cutting it close. Thicker is better.

Image magnification - either by using a long lens at close range, or macro - is the most demanding of tripod stability. Load capacity really has nothing to do with stability.

https://blog.reallyrightstuff.com/choosing-a-tripod-part-1/
https://blog.reallyrightstuff.com/choosing-a-tripod-part-2/
https://blog.reallyrightstuff.com/choosing-a-tripod-part-3/

You don't have to bounce for RRS prices - you can get very reasonable performance from brands like Feisol, LeoFoto and others - but the key spec is top tube diameter.
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Thanks for all of the information and the thoughts that went into it!
Kevin

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Jan 26, 2021 09:16:34   #
kotography4u
 
Gene51 wrote:
I think that you may be looking at this the wrong way.

Your tripod head is failing you. From your description, it sounds like the manner in which the camera is attached to the head is not all that great. Gimbals are really only used with lenses that have tripod collars, and you may end up spending between $80 to $150 for third party lens collars on eBay that may be of questionable quality. You will of course save the $$ you'd spend on an L Plate for the camera, but you haven't addressed the fundamental issue - a less than optimum tripod head.

The best solution, assuming you have a sturdy tripod, is to get a better head with an Arca-Swiss compatible clamp, and a rail so that you can move the camera back for better balance. Using an L bracket and an Arca-Swiss clamp on the rail to attach the camera will give you the flexibility in switching from portrait to landscape, and keep the camera from rotating. The rail should have a double dovetail so that it can be mounted on the head.

The next best solution is to use a rail on your existing head, but the reality is that if your head is insufficient, the rail will only provide modest benefit.

Hejnar Photo sells quality hardware and I am certain you can put together something with their rails and clamps. See my photos below. I used an 5/8" thick 8" double dovetail rail and a 1-1/2" Arca compatible clamp, mounted crosswise on the rail.

https://www.hejnarphotostore.com/

You could go with Bogen/Mafrotto, but it is less of an industry standard and though they have generic L brackets finding a rail that is made to Manfrotto's specs could be a problem. I've never tried looking but you may have better success.

On another note - if you are doing portrait work and you are not doing lots of repetitive headshots, using your camera hand held will provide a lot more flexibility. Using mono lights (preferable) or speedlights lights will keep your images crisp and sharp and free of camera or subject movement induced blur.

I realize none of this is within your budget, but not buying the right gear will only cost you way more than you planned to spend down the road. You already have a tripod and head that isn't cutting it. No point in repeating that mistake.
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Thanks for all of your thoughts, and especially the pictures of how you've set up your camera and tripod - it helps a lot to visualize what you're explaining.
Kevin

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