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Jan 6, 2021 19:02:04   #
jdm Loc: Cape Cod
 
PHRubin wrote:
I backup all the photo files from my computer to both an external drive and to the "cloud".

I use a simple backup software (app) called SyncBack to do the backups to the external drive unattended regularly (you can specify the frequency, I use daily). It is smart enough after the 1st backup to only update files that have changed or been added so it doesn't take forever for updates.

Since I have Amazon Prime, I use Amazon Photos, a "cloud" solution, which is free if you have Prime . A cloud solution is the only way to recover from a true disaster like fire, hurricane or tornado, or any major tragedy.
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Thank you, PH. I now have confirmed one backup to an external drive and I'm backing up to Amazon Photos as we speak! Regards, JDM

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Jan 6, 2021 19:03:23   #
jdm Loc: Cape Cod
 
TriX wrote:
Simple. In addition to your local backup with Time machine, you need an off-site disaster recovery copy of your data (what happens if a power surge or lightning strike or fire of flood takes out both external drives, or malware/ransomeware infects one and is propagated to the other?). The best solution to that is a cloud backup service from a MAJOR provider such as Amazon, Google, Microsoft or Apple. Choose any one that you prefer, but since you’re on an Apple platform, ICloud is the natural choice. It’s super easy to set up, automatic once configured and robust. Personally, I use Amazon S3, which is by far the largest cloud provider (large is good for a number of reasons) and 3rd part backup SW to automatically and periodically backup to S3, but it’s a bit more complex to set up and administer than ICloud (which I use for my IPad and IPhones).
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Thank you, TriX. I chose Amazon. I appreciate your advice. Regards, JDM

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Jan 6, 2021 19:04:14   #
jdm Loc: Cape Cod
 
nut4golf wrote:
Hi JDM,

Yes, you have some real exposure (no pun intended) with your current setup.

Time Machine by default does not back up external drives. It appears from your write up that you have two (2) WD 2TB external drives. One you use for backup to Time Machine, the other to hold your image files?

Most likely, your Lightroom catalog is on your MacBook and getting backed up to the external drive you are using with Time Machine. If you've truly forced it over onto the external drive, that's fine. In that case, I'd look into insuring that the automatic backups of LR catalog are done to your MacBook.

Your big exposure is that all your images (and maybe LR catalog) are on an external device that could fail, be lost, damaged, etc and if so - everything is gone in terms of your photos. The worst case scenario for most of us!

Amazon Prime does allow you "unlimited" storage of photos, if your format meets requirements - see: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GGU2SU8Y22DZYRMQ Note that videos are not unlimited. You'll need to at minimum get the Amazon Photos app for your Mac and set it up to backup your external drive. https://www.amazon.com/b/?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0&node=16409408011

Disclaimer: This is not something I currently do, so I can't guarantee results (but seems like a good no cost option to investigate based on what you wrote). I used to use Amazon Drive with a tool called GoodSync to put my images in the cloud as one of my backups, but Amazon changed things such that the tool stopped working so I went another direction...

Hope this helps!
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Thank you for your advice!

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Jan 6, 2021 19:04:59   #
jdm Loc: Cape Cod
 
ELNikkor wrote:
I also have the D750, (no need for a D850). I back up my photos every month on 2 identical 4 TB external hard drives. Also, I only go full res RAW + jpeg on images of possible marketable value. (No RAW, just 5mb jpegs of such boring, valuable-only-to-family shots of vacations, birthdays, holidays etc.). That saves a huge heap of storage space, yet still has the memories preserved.


Great advice! Thank you. Regards, JDM

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Jan 6, 2021 19:06:12   #
jdm Loc: Cape Cod
 
pbearperry wrote:
I have 2 external drives, one I keep in my home and one I keep at a neighbors home.
I also have a keychain flash drive that is large enough to copy to after I take photos. After Jan 1st, I download the pics of that year to the externals and I format the flash drive for the new year photos.


Great advice! Thank you. JDM

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Jan 6, 2021 19:40:54   #
pendennis
 
If the "cloud" is not an option, then you're in peril of losing your images, regardless the hardware, disk array, etc. The loss may not come from a flood, or other natural disaster. Despite efforts using surge protection, voltage conditioners, and multi-hard drive or SSD equipment, loss of data is real.

There are services such as IDrive which are superb in their handling of backups. I've been a client for years, and I've yet to lose any data. Period.

I come from a corporate IT background, and our disaster recovery didn't consider local options for disaster recovery. In our corporate disaster plan, the first order of business was to be able to draft banks and other financial institutions for dealer purchases. That plan included at least a dozen cities where we could start up bank drafting to secure cash for recovery. While this is an extreme example (however, we're talking about 100's of millions of dollars daily), your photos and other data are as, if not more, valuable to you. If your home were inundated, struck by lightning, damaged by tornado, no amount of local preparedness will suffice.

Just sayin'.

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Jan 6, 2021 20:31:01   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
jdm wrote:
Thank you, TriX. I chose Amazon. I appreciate your advice. Regards, JDM


An excellent choice. It will take awhile (depending on your upload speed) to “seed” the cloud, but once done, updates, which consist of changes and new files, will be much shorter. You can sleep easier knowing that your data is safe.

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Jan 6, 2021 21:23:06   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
My 5 cents is that cloud backup is an important tool for your backup strategy. Cloud providers do not go out of business frequently, and even if they did they give you notice ahead of time, but even if they don’t, cloud backup should not be your primary backup system. Local storage should be primary and cloud storage should be secondary.

Cloud storage has bandwidth issues so it may take considerable time to restore a large group of files. But disks do fail and local disasters do occur and these days even regional disasters occur. Cloud storage distributes your data over very large areas to avoid local and even regional problems. And the storage media are maintained by professionals to mitigate aging failures. So cloud storage is safer than local storage but less convenient.

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Jan 7, 2021 06:52:22   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
jdm wrote:
I’m looking for help to add additional storage and backup for my lightroom catalogue. (My apologies in advance for not being that technical … hence why I’m reaching out to you.)

I’ve been shooting with Nikon D750 and just got the D850 for Christmas. Due to the file size of the images of the 850, I started thinking about (and worrying about) storage, which got me then thinking about backup, too. I fear that both situations are inadequate.

Here’s my setup:
~MacBook Pro (2019)
~Lightroom Photoshop with all images stored on external drive (WD 2TB My Passport Ultra; 7000+ images)
~Backup to Time Machine on external drive (again a WD 2TB My Passport Ultra … I’ve assumed all along that this backs up my lightroom catalogue residing on the other external drive … is that true?)

Please advise on storage space and backup with any/all recommendations. I am an Amazon Prime Member so I have access to their free storage. I have OneDrive and storage on Microsoft360. I’d also be willing to subscribe to a backup service if it makes the most sense. I have no idea how to go about copying or uploading my lightroom catalogue from the external hard drive to a new backup location.

I know I’m asking a lot. I’m hoping there’s a kind soul out there in the mood to take on a challenge!

Many thanks for your help and patience!

~JDM
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I use thumb drives as back ups, my best shots may be on three separate ones.

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Jan 7, 2021 07:20:33   #
Xpatch Loc: New York, Antigua, GT.
 
I have used prime as backup and it worked fine. I had all my equipment stolen so...the external drive is fine. I can’t speak to lR or your storage size but I have extra ssd multi tb hard drives and Gnarbox for storage side dishes,

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Jan 7, 2021 08:24:14   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Easy peasy! You need a good external hard drive. I buy HGST Ultrastar drives - renewed - from Amazon. That's an enterprise drive, designed for 24/7 use. I buy an external enclosure for it and connect it to my desktop. Actually I have two of them in a box for backup, with a similar drive inside the computer. I've been using them for years. When it comes to backup, you need at least two.

https://smile.amazon.com/HGST-Ultrastar-HUS724040ALE641-Enterprise-Refurbished/dp/B078WJSG4J/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=hgst&qid=1610025674&sr=8-6

https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=hard+drive+enclosure&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

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Jan 7, 2021 08:30:46   #
jdm Loc: Cape Cod
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
My 5 cents is that cloud backup is an important tool for your backup strategy. Cloud providers do not go out of business frequently, and even if they did they give you notice ahead of time, but even if they don’t, cloud backup should not be your primary backup system. Local storage should be primary and cloud storage should be secondary.

Cloud storage has bandwidth issues so it may take considerable time to restore a large group of files. But disks do fail and local disasters do occur and these days even regional disasters occur. Cloud storage distributes your data over very large areas to avoid local and even regional problems. And the storage media are maintained by professionals to mitigate aging failures. So cloud storage is safer than local storage but less convenient.
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Thank you, DirtFarmer. I now have a local backup and cloud backup in Amazon Photos. I'm no pro but I do have a handful of good shots and have a lot of emotional value built up in my collection, so I feel a lot safer. Thanks for your input.
Regards, JDM

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Jan 7, 2021 08:35:06   #
jdm Loc: Cape Cod
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Easy peasy! You need a good external hard drive. I buy HGST Ultrastar drives - renewed - from Amazon. That's an enterprise drive, designed for 24/7 use. I buy an external enclosure for it and connect it to my desktop. Actually I have two of them in a box for backup, with a similar drive inside the computer. I've been using them for years. When it comes to backup, you need at least two.

https://smile.amazon.com/HGST-Ultrastar-HUS724040ALE641-Enterprise-Refurbished/dp/B078WJSG4J/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=hgst&qid=1610025674&sr=8-6

https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=hard+drive+enclosure&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
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Thank you, Jerry. I now have one external drive backup and have just uploaded to Amazon Photos for a cloud backup. I know my WD 2T passport is a consumer grade drive; I'm planning to look into enterprise grade in the future. Regards, JDM

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Jan 7, 2021 08:37:18   #
jdm Loc: Cape Cod
 
jdm wrote:
Great advice! Thank you. JDM


Thanks, PenDennis! Thank you for the informed advice. I did opt to go with Amazon Photos, which I think meets your suggested criteria for "cloud." If you have any concerns about this option, I would so appreciate you letting me know! Regards, JDM.

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Jan 7, 2021 09:02:05   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
JDM, I'd suggest a NAS unit (Network Attached Storage). That along with some backup software would be suitable for quite a bit of time into the future. I'd get one that is expandable. That way as you increase your amount of files, you can add more drives.
--Bob
jdm wrote:
I’m looking for help to add additional storage and backup for my lightroom catalogue. (My apologies in advance for not being that technical … hence why I’m reaching out to you.)

I’ve been shooting with Nikon D750 and just got the D850 for Christmas. Due to the file size of the images of the 850, I started thinking about (and worrying about) storage, which got me then thinking about backup, too. I fear that both situations are inadequate.

Here’s my setup:
~MacBook Pro (2019)
~Lightroom Photoshop with all images stored on external drive (WD 2TB My Passport Ultra; 7000+ images)
~Backup to Time Machine on external drive (again a WD 2TB My Passport Ultra … I’ve assumed all along that this backs up my lightroom catalogue residing on the other external drive … is that true?)

Please advise on storage space and backup with any/all recommendations. I am an Amazon Prime Member so I have access to their free storage. I have OneDrive and storage on Microsoft360. I’d also be willing to subscribe to a backup service if it makes the most sense. I have no idea how to go about copying or uploading my lightroom catalogue from the external hard drive to a new backup location.

I know I’m asking a lot. I’m hoping there’s a kind soul out there in the mood to take on a challenge!

Many thanks for your help and patience!

~JDM
I’m looking for help to add additional storage and... (show quote)

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