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Jul 12, 2020 10:33:33   #
jwinberg1
 
<<Not trying to be ornery but motion blur is not affected in any way by image stabilization. >>

That depends on motion being subject, or camera. IS helps only with CAMERA motion.

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Jul 12, 2020 10:35:13   #
jwinberg1
 
"Not trying to be ornery but motion blur is not affected in any way by image stabilization".


That depends on motion being subject, or camera. IS helps only with CAMERA motion

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Jul 12, 2020 10:38:34   #
Iron Sight Loc: Utah
 
Good one. 😃

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Jul 12, 2020 10:49:45   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
JohnH3 wrote:
I want to preface this post. It is primarily intended for an inexperienced long lens or macro user.

Over the past year, I have read and even commented on a few posts where people have expressed dissatisfaction with newly purchased telephoto lenses. I understand the plight because I have been there myself. I am an amateur photographer who is constantly learning from those much better than I am; however, to the inexperienced long lens user, I feel that the school teacher in me might have some insight to offer. I assure you that your new Tamron or Sigma 150-600mm lens or even your 100mm macro is a good lens capable of producing superb images. When I first bought versions of these two lenses, I thought I had wasted money. I was very displeased initially; however, the problem was me. It was never the lens. I might just be that you are overlooking a few key elements in using these lens.

I came to some realizations when recently trying to help two friends that are both far better photographers than I am navigate the pitfalls of recently purchased lenses.

A 35mm lens tends to be very forgiving in many respects. You generally get sharp crisp pictures when using them even if making some basic mistakes. There is a reason that the lenses installed in smart phones have short focal lengths often much shorter than 35mm. On the other hand, the longer the focal length of the lens, the more unforgiving it becomes.

There are two components of using a long lens that I would like to present: depth of field (DOF), and motion blur. I will discuss them in that order.

Depth of Field:

Initially when I started using my longer lenses and especially my Canon EF 100mm L Macro at close distances, I was beyond displeased with the results. Parts of my pictures were always out of focus. I don’t mean the backgrounds either (bokeh). I mean the subjects themselves. I thought I was doing everything correctly. What I had not considered to the extent that I should have was depth of field. I was always aware of it and actually familiar with it especially with my then current prime and zoom lenses, but I was way off when it came to the 150-600mm and even more so the 100mm macro. At the time I purchased both lenses, I was shooting with a Canon T6s crop frame body, which actually compounded the problems.

My favorite DOF chart is the one in the Photo Pills App. It allows you to enter the camera model. You then enter your lenses’ focal length, the F setting (aperture), and the distance from the subject. One night after I purchased the app and started playing around with it, I made some inexperienced photographer discoveries. I was shooting with settings that produced very narrow or shallow depths of field. No wonder the elk’s eye and face were focused while his hind end was out of focus! Yes, the light came on! By this time, I also had my first full frame camera. I then started alternating the camera models in the app from my full frame camera to my crop frame model and discovered that with all other factors the same, the depth of field was narrower on the crop frame body.

The first two pictures posted below illustrate the difference of DOF with a 100mm lens between the Canon 5DMKIV full frame and the T6s crop frame. Notice that the full range of the DOF with the full frame is six (6) inches as compared to four (4) inches on the crop frame. The lens and settings remained consistent at 100mm / f2.8 / 10 feet.

On the third and fourth pictures posted below, I have changed only the aperture setting to F9 still using a 100mm lens at a distance of 10 feet. As you will see, the DOF widened significantly; however, the DOF on the full frame (1’7”) remains substantially wider than the crop frame ( 1’0”).

The next three pictures (fifth-seventh) posted below illustrate the DOF differences at f2.8 and a distance of 100 feet using a 35mm focal length, a 135mm focal length, and a 600mm focal length. As you can see the DOF varies significantly. 35mm = infinity / 135mm = 28’11” / 600mm = 1’5”. (Of course, not many long lenses will go to F2.8. You are generally looking at best at F4 and higher as you zoom to longer focal lengths. I maintained F2.8 merely for comparison purposes.)

Based upon this information, shooting a large object such as a large animal is going to possibly have focal issues (unless your intention is to only have a small part of the object in perfect focus) if you don’t fully consider DOF variables.

The final picture below illustrates the 600mm lens still at 100 feet, but with an aperture at F9. The change in that single variable now produces a DOF of 4’6”. At this setting, a larger object will be better focused from front to rear.

These same principles apply to using a macro lens at close distances. (F2.8 is often achievable with many macro lenses in the 60mm to 100mm focal lengths.)

What I learned was that when using a long lens or even a shorter lens such as a 100mm macro at a closer distance is that DOF becomes a crucial factor in obtaining a satisfactory image. I learned that sometimes I must raise the ISO and close down the aperture (higher number) in order to widen the DOF to a width where the entire subject is in focus front to back. I finally came to the realization that I can crank up the ISO and up the aperture number and still obtain a good quality image. I also learned that I needed to spend some time studying DOF charts specifically for the lens I own and use. I also keep my smart phone and the Photo Pills app handy when shooting with my long and macro lens.

Shutter Speed:

I always thought the shutter speed variable was obvious, but I later realized it was obvious to me because two friends from our local camera store (Cameragraphics of Auburn, AL) John Oliver and John Rhodenizer explained to me early on in my DSLR endeavors that you tend to get sharper images with faster shutter speeds. When I bought my Sigma 150-600mm, I quickly learned that it is “crucial” to have a faster shutter speed when using a longer focal length to avoid motion blur in my photos. I suspect that many inexperienced long lens users especially when shooting hand held mistake motion blur for focus issues. Motion blur occurs when you the photographer moves the camera minutely during the shot. To the inexperienced photographer, it can appear as an out of focus image. Even small movements are magnified exponentially at longer focal lengths.

Motion blur is easily avoided by using a faster shutter speed. Also enable IS (Image Stabilization - called numerous things depending on the lens manufacturer) to help reduce motion blur. However, stabilization modes don’t actually stabilize an object. They help stabilize your movement while holding the camera when shooting handheld. Some newer camera models even have in camera image stabilization modes.

I have often heard that that you should always use a shutter speed that at least matches the focal length of your lens. (Example: at least 1/100 for a 100mm lens or 1/600 for a 600mm lens.) Personally, as a lens exceeds 300mm, I double that number if possible. Admittedly, shutter speeds can be limited due to ISO constraints, light conditions, etc. I do find that in general by using as fast a shutter speed as possible, motion blur is generally eliminated and avoided.

I am sure that this post is elementary for most photographers on this site. As well, I suspect some of the seasoned professionals will pick it apart and tear it to threads; however, I passed this same information and explanations along to two very good photographers that I highly respect. I simply made the personal discoveries first. I do think they were both more satisfied with their photos when using their longer lenses and macro lenses after trying my suggestions.

As I mentioned, I am a teacher. Specifically, I am a music teacher. I have learned that photography is much like playing an instrument. It first requires understanding, and second, practice practice practice. For those of you venturing into telephoto or close distance macro photography, I strongly encourage you to study the DOF charts for your lenses of choice especially ones you are not as familiar with as some you use regularly. Learn to apply both the principles of DOF and shutter speeds to your shooting. Explore different settings and find what works for you when using your equipment.
I want to preface this post. It is primarily inten... (show quote)


You did a good job with your article, and it should help those who need it, and it should be appreciated (at the very minimum) for the effort and information. I appreciate your effort, but don't be surprised if you get more than just good feedback. I too like more than just the eyes in focus - I want the whole bird, cat/dog, bear, person, etc. in sharp focus, if possible. Again, good job!

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Jul 12, 2020 11:04:52   #
JohnH3 Loc: Auburn, AL
 
olemikey wrote:
You did a good job with your article, and it should help those who need it, and it should be appreciated (at the very minimum) for the effort and information. I appreciate your effort, but don't be surprised if you get more than just good feedback. I too like more than just the eyes in focus - I want the whole bird, cat/dog, bear, person, etc. in sharp focus, if possible. Again, good job!


Thank you! I have no illusions that some will not rip it to threads! 😜

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Jul 12, 2020 11:07:36   #
Drip Dry McFleye
 
JohnH3 wrote:
I want to preface this post. It is primarily intended for an inexperienced long lens or macro user. .


Thank you for taking the time to make your post. I think you've hit the nail on the head for a lot of us. Just like a lot of others, I'm sure, I thought I knew and was applying the basics of getting sharp pictures. But like another member posted, I got a Nikon 500PF. At first I thought that I had gotten a bad copy until I realized that the softness in my images was too intermittent to be the fault of the lens. Technique was my true problem. Your post is a great reminder for those of us who have become lax or have newly acquired our first longer lenses.
Thanks again for taking the time!

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Jul 12, 2020 11:13:42   #
JohnH3 Loc: Auburn, AL
 
bleirer wrote:
Not trying to be ornery but motion blur is not affected in any way by image stabilization. I think it is camera shake you are getting at here....

"Motion blur is easily avoided by using a faster shutter speed. Also enable IS (Image Stabilization - called numerous things depending on the lens manufacturer) to help reduce motion blur. However, stabilization modes don’t actually stabilize an object. They help stabilize your movement while holding the camera when shooting handheld. Some newer camera models even have in camera image stabilization modes."
Not trying to be ornery but motion blur is not aff... (show quote)


Maybe I didn’t state it perfectly, but if you cannot use a tripod and you are using a long lens hand held at a slower than optimal shutter speed even if shooting a stationary object, isn’t camera shake, which is lessened by IS going to result in motion blur being potentially present in your image? It has been my experience that any camera shake at a slower shutter speed results is a less thsn crisp sharp image.

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Jul 12, 2020 11:16:58   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
Every year of his legendary career, golfer Jack Nicklaus would begin his preparation for the upcoming tournament season by focusing with his teacher on grip, stance, alignment, setup and balance - even a practitioner of the art of golf at the highest levels of his game always came back to the the basics - thanks for the reminder - I know I could use a brush-up on technique now and then, and I appreciate your effort...

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Jul 12, 2020 11:21:51   #
JohnH3 Loc: Auburn, AL
 
bleirer wrote:
Interesting information, but you have to consider the subject distance. To fill the frame with a full frame camera you have to be much closer to the subject than the distance needed to fill the frame with the same subject on a crop camera. In this sense crop cameras have more depth of field than full frame cameras.

Check out the depth of field equivalent calculator about halfway down here https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/digital-camera-sensor-size.htm

A full frame camera with a 100mm lens at f2.8 would have the same dof as a 1.5 crop camera with a 66mm lens at f1.8. If you filled the frame with the subject equally..
Interesting information, but you have to consider ... (show quote)


Very true. I should have made mention of that fact. Thank you for pointing out that omission. Even though the depth of field is shallower with equivalent settings in the crop frame body, there is a remarkable difference in the shooting distance to obtain a similar image. Very good point.

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Jul 12, 2020 11:48:37   #
Marg Loc: Canadian transplanted to NW Alabama
 
John your very detailed yet comprehensive description is most appreciated! I know I handle my 100-400 much better at shutter speeds of at least 1/1000 and often go as high as 1/4000. I was struggling mightily with my 100 mm macro (on an 80d) until hearing from you. Haven’t mastered it yet but improving and happy. Thank you so much for this!
Marg

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Jul 12, 2020 11:51:42   #
bleirer
 
JohnH3 wrote:
Maybe I didn’t state it perfectly, but if you cannot use a tripod and you are using a long lens hand held at a slower than optimal shutter speed even if shooting a stationary object, isn’t camera shake, which is lessened by IS going to result in motion blur being potentially present in your image? It has been my experience that any camera shake at a slower shutter speed results is a less thsn crisp sharp image.


Yes you are correct, It seemed as if your IS statement included subject motion at first but then you clarified. Sure camera shake is motion, but in my mind I think of subject motion when someone says motion blur.

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Jul 12, 2020 12:19:08   #
dyximan
 
JohnH3 wrote:
I want to preface this post. It is primarily intended for an inexperienced long lens or macro user.

Over the past year, I have read and even commented on a few posts where people have expressed dissatisfaction with newly purchased telephoto lenses. I understand the plight because I have been there myself. I am an amateur photographer who is constantly learning from those much better than I am; however, to the inexperienced long lens user, I feel that the school teacher in me might have some insight to offer. I assure you that your new Tamron or Sigma 150-600mm lens or even your 100mm macro is a good lens capable of producing superb images. When I first bought versions of these two lenses, I thought I had wasted money. I was very displeased initially; however, the problem was me. It was never the lens. I might just be that you are overlooking a few key elements in using these lens.

I came to some realizations when recently trying to help two friends that are both far better photographers than I am navigate the pitfalls of recently purchased lenses.

A 35mm lens tends to be very forgiving in many respects. You generally get sharp crisp pictures when using them even if making some basic mistakes. There is a reason that the lenses installed in smart phones have short focal lengths often much shorter than 35mm. On the other hand, the longer the focal length of the lens, the more unforgiving it becomes.

There are two components of using a long lens that I would like to present: depth of field (DOF), and motion blur. I will discuss them in that order.

Depth of Field:

Initially when I started using my longer lenses and especially my Canon EF 100mm L Macro at close distances, I was beyond displeased with the results. Parts of my pictures were always out of focus. I don’t mean the backgrounds either (bokeh). I mean the subjects themselves. I thought I was doing everything correctly. What I had not considered to the extent that I should have was depth of field. I was always aware of it and actually familiar with it especially with my then current prime and zoom lenses, but I was way off when it came to the 150-600mm and even more so the 100mm macro. At the time I purchased both lenses, I was shooting with a Canon T6s crop frame body, which actually compounded the problems.

My favorite DOF chart is the one in the Photo Pills App. It allows you to enter the camera model. You then enter your lenses’ focal length, the F setting (aperture), and the distance from the subject. One night after I purchased the app and started playing around with it, I made some inexperienced photographer discoveries. I was shooting with settings that produced very narrow or shallow depths of field. No wonder the elk’s eye and face were focused while his hind end was out of focus! Yes, the light came on! By this time, I also had my first full frame camera. I then started alternating the camera models in the app from my full frame camera to my crop frame model and discovered that with all other factors the same, the depth of field was narrower on the crop frame body.

The first two pictures posted below illustrate the difference of DOF with a 100mm lens between the Canon 5DMKIV full frame and the T6s crop frame. Notice that the full range of the DOF with the full frame is six (6) inches as compared to four (4) inches on the crop frame. The lens and settings remained consistent at 100mm / f2.8 / 10 feet.

On the third and fourth pictures posted below, I have changed only the aperture setting to F9 still using a 100mm lens at a distance of 10 feet. As you will see, the DOF widened significantly; however, the DOF on the full frame (1’7”) remains substantially wider than the crop frame ( 1’0”).

The next three pictures (fifth-seventh) posted below illustrate the DOF differences at f2.8 and a distance of 100 feet using a 35mm focal length, a 135mm focal length, and a 600mm focal length. As you can see the DOF varies significantly. 35mm = infinity / 135mm = 28’11” / 600mm = 1’5”. (Of course, not many long lenses will go to F2.8. You are generally looking at best at F4 and higher as you zoom to longer focal lengths. I maintained F2.8 merely for comparison purposes.)

Based upon this information, shooting a large object such as a large animal is going to possibly have focal issues (unless your intention is to only have a small part of the object in perfect focus) if you don’t fully consider DOF variables.

The final picture below illustrates the 600mm lens still at 100 feet, but with an aperture at F9. The change in that single variable now produces a DOF of 4’6”. At this setting, a larger object will be better focused from front to rear.

These same principles apply to using a macro lens at close distances. (F2.8 is often achievable with many macro lenses in the 60mm to 100mm focal lengths.)

What I learned was that when using a long lens or even a shorter lens such as a 100mm macro at a closer distance is that DOF becomes a crucial factor in obtaining a satisfactory image. I learned that sometimes I must raise the ISO and close down the aperture (higher number) in order to widen the DOF to a width where the entire subject is in focus front to back. I finally came to the realization that I can crank up the ISO and up the aperture number and still obtain a good quality image. I also learned that I needed to spend some time studying DOF charts specifically for the lens I own and use. I also keep my smart phone and the Photo Pills app handy when shooting with my long and macro lens.

Shutter Speed:

I always thought the shutter speed variable was obvious, but I later realized it was obvious to me because two friends from our local camera store (Cameragraphics of Auburn, AL) John Oliver and John Rhodenizer explained to me early on in my DSLR endeavors that you tend to get sharper images with faster shutter speeds. When I bought my Sigma 150-600mm, I quickly learned that it is “crucial” to have a faster shutter speed when using a longer focal length to avoid motion blur in my photos. I suspect that many inexperienced long lens users especially when shooting hand held mistake motion blur for focus issues. Motion blur occurs when you the photographer moves the camera minutely during the shot. To the inexperienced photographer, it can appear as an out of focus image. Even small movements are magnified exponentially at longer focal lengths.

Motion blur is easily avoided by using a faster shutter speed. Also enable IS (Image Stabilization - called numerous things depending on the lens manufacturer) to help reduce motion blur. However, stabilization modes don’t actually stabilize an object. They help stabilize your movement while holding the camera when shooting handheld. Some newer camera models even have in camera image stabilization modes.

I have often heard that that you should always use a shutter speed that at least matches the focal length of your lens. (Example: at least 1/100 for a 100mm lens or 1/600 for a 600mm lens.) Personally, as a lens exceeds 300mm, I double that number if possible. Admittedly, shutter speeds can be limited due to ISO constraints, light conditions, etc. I do find that in general by using as fast a shutter speed as possible, motion blur is generally eliminated and avoided.

I am sure that this post is elementary for most photographers on this site. As well, I suspect some of the seasoned professionals will pick it apart and tear it to threads; however, I passed this same information and explanations along to two very good photographers that I highly respect. I simply made the personal discoveries first. I do think they were both more satisfied with their photos when using their longer lenses and macro lenses after trying my suggestions.

As I mentioned, I am a teacher. Specifically, I am a music teacher. I have learned that photography is much like playing an instrument. It first requires understanding, and second, practice practice practice. For those of you venturing into telephoto or close distance macro photography, I strongly encourage you to study the DOF charts for your lenses of choice especially ones you are not as familiar with as some you use regularly. Learn to apply both the principles of DOF and shutter speeds to your shooting. Explore different settings and find what works for you when using your equipment.
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Thank your for your post I was shooting birds yesterday at my 600 focal length and found only about 15% keepers I think this will definitely help

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Jul 12, 2020 12:25:17   #
clickety
 
bleirer wrote:
Not trying to be ornery but motion blur is not affected in any way by image stabilization. I think it is camera shake you are getting at here....

"Motion blur is easily avoided by using a faster shutter speed. Also enable IS (Image Stabilization - called numerous things depending on the lens manufacturer) to help reduce motion blur. However, stabilization modes don’t actually stabilize an object. They help stabilize your movement while holding the camera when shooting handheld. Some newer camera models even have in camera image stabilization modes."
Not trying to be ornery but motion blur is not aff... (show quote)


Just to be “ornery”, is camera “shake” not motion? We know that (photographically) there are 2 forms of motion either the subject moves or the camera / lens tip moves. Stabilization works to correct the second. Shutter speed will have an effect on both.😇
I’m sure all the readers knew what both of you meant.

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Jul 12, 2020 13:13:48   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
JohnH3 wrote:
I want to preface this post. It is primarily intended for an inexperienced long lens or macro user.

Over the past year, I have read and even commented on a few posts where people have expressed dissatisfaction with newly purchased telephoto lenses. I understand the plight because I have been there myself. I am an amateur photographer who is constantly learning from those much better than I am; however, to the inexperienced long lens user, I feel that the school teacher in me might have some insight to offer. I assure you that your new Tamron or Sigma 150-600mm lens or even your 100mm macro is a good lens capable of producing superb images. When I first bought versions of these two lenses, I thought I had wasted money. I was very displeased initially; however, the problem was me. It was never the lens. I might just be that you are overlooking a few key elements in using these lens.
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Thanks for sharing your insights ! ....should be valuable to most - IF - they take the time

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Jul 12, 2020 13:16:31   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
bleirer wrote:
Yes you are correct, It seemed as if your IS statement included subject motion at first but then you clarified. Sure camera shake is motion, but in my mind I think of subject motion when someone says motion blur.


Camera shake/motion blur is my FIRST priority ....

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