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Jul 8, 2020 10:12:57   #
nblue
 
Think we are being conned?????????

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Jul 8, 2020 10:25:14   #
diny
 
AMEN

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Jul 8, 2020 11:03:25   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
Sneaky virus two weeks without symptoms but infectious in those two weeks. That's one of the reasons it's done well in so many countries

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Jul 8, 2020 11:18:17   #
TommyDale65
 
I don’t believe ANY statistics on COVID-19. Too many false listings, mingling virus positives with positive antibodies, reporting all deaths as CV (even if cause was something else), etc.

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Jul 8, 2020 11:33:28   #
jayluber Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
These numbers are all screwed up. Someone I know was a professional medical meeting with 30 people. One person tested positive for COvid. Tracers called one doctor who had been at the meeting and he had just tested negative, but the tracer said that all 30 would be reported as positive cases even though they had no evidence of infection.
Another person I spoke to owns a funeral home in Texas. She said that they were instructed to indicate and report each person they received as a Covid death. Now, they don't have anything to do with the cause of death on death cert, but they report to someone their cases and report all as covid. Strange.

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Jul 8, 2020 11:34:26   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
There is a new graphic, seen today 7/8, That lists worldwide. Three US states lead the entire world.

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Jul 8, 2020 11:49:19   #
edwdickinson Loc: Ardmore PA
 
Wuligal wrote:
It might appear that there are some counties that have NO recoveries but (by the CDC's own calculation) that's not true. There is a discrepancy of 50,361 "active cases" and that is in just one state alone.

Think of it this way - suppose you found a $50,361.00 mistake in your checking account. Would you change banks?


In my favor or theirs?

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Jul 8, 2020 11:50:01   #
jayluber Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
I don't know what "New Cases" means. With expanded testing we are finding more and more people test positive for the antibody. Is that a new case? Are they sick and need medical attention? There is also now emerging the belief in a T-cell antibody that prevents the person from getting sick and acts like the antibody. I don't believe any of these numbers. They just numbers and data.

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Jul 8, 2020 12:18:15   #
Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.
 
It's really quite simple:
95,986 total cases minus total deaths (6,841)=81,945
81,945 minus 18,708 active cases =70,437
The process of elimination tells me that 70,437 people have recovered because they are not dead nor are they actively sick.
To personalize it:
I live in Pennsylvania which has a total population of 12,702,868. I have a .007% chance of contracting the virus. Should I get the virus I have a 93% chance of recovery. The trick is to find a way to apply those same odds to the lottery!

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Jul 8, 2020 13:03:03   #
marine73 Loc: Modesto California
 
It was reported by some in my county here in CA that the death rate was 0.0014%. My county had 44 deaths when I looked 2 days ago. So yes I think the numbers are off.

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Jul 8, 2020 13:23:33   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Wuligal wrote:
Below is a random selection of figures from today's CDC's Covid19 stats. I used my home state of Pennsylvania as a sample but many other states seem to have the same issue. Is it just me or is there something a bit strange with these figures?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

total cases total deaths active cases

State of Penn. 95,986 6,840 18,709
County
Philadelphia 26,901 1,621 25,280
Montgomery 8,682 815 7,867
Delaware 7,429 704 559
Lancaster 4,623 372 4,251
Lebanon 1,389 45 367
Fayette 149 4 145
Blair 89 1 88
Mercer 159 6 153
Below is a random selection of figures from today'... (show quote)


Indeed, I follow the website. In the case of PA (and other states) the spread sheet is incorrect. It is clear that in many instances the

number of active cases = number of cases - number of deaths


The spread sheet for the most part does not count the number of folks who have recovered. It seems my county, Erie, is likely doing a fair job with accuracy but this is not the case for many other counties. Perhaps some would like the folks not to know just haw few the number of active cases is.

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Jul 8, 2020 13:33:23   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
John_F wrote:
There is a new graphic, seen today 7/8, That lists worldwide. Three US states lead the entire world.


A huge portion of the world doesn't have the structure/resources to test, ID or in many cases treat it and their stats, if any, are pure smoke and mirrors. Will their Wild Ass Guesses be to make themselves look good or bad? I saw some stats that stated the US testing in shear numbers out paces any other nation. Many smaller nations have tested a larger % of their population but in shear numbers the US has tested more. But we are also huge in population so our percent/rate is lower

Other nations that do have the resources will lie just to make themselves look good or at least not look bad.

The 1918-19(20) "Spanish Flu" got that name because being neutral in the war they reported and allowed their newspapers to write about it. The Allies and Central Powers hid news and stats so the other side would not know how weakened they were by the Flu.
That flu has pretty much been confirmed to have come from China/Asia with Colonial Troops and Labor Units brought to France etc for the war effort. Then it got into the armies and spread along the front lines and across those lines to the Central Powers. Following that it spread to many nations when soldiers and others who had been in Europe brought it home when they returned with wounds or to become trainers. The first cases in the US that were ID'd were at an Army Training Base.

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Jul 8, 2020 13:37:48   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
TreborLow wrote:
There are many more counties in the state besides those in the sample shown.

I did some additional calculations on the Death Rate of the data shown.
For the whole state it is slightly over 7%. The counties range from slightly over 1% to about 9.5%.

If half of all the people in the United State contract Covid-19 and die at the same rate, that is approximately 12,000,000 people!
Even if the death rate is only 1 or 2 percent, then the total deaths will be in the 2,000,000 range!

Of course the number of people contracting the disease and the percentage who die are not precisely known, these calculations could be much less or more serious.
There are many more counties in the state besides ... (show quote)


Your calculations of death rate are not correct. One needs to determine the total number of people infected. The tables state the number of reported cases. Minor and and asymptomatic cases largely go unreported and untested. Unreported cases can easily be 10 times the number of reported cases.

It is helpful to note that 17 million people world wide from infectious disease each year without notice. The overall number of deaths for the 2019-2020 season is similar to that observed in previous recent years. The effect of COVID in the overall death rate (all causes) has been negligible.

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Jul 8, 2020 13:47:06   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
kenArchi wrote:
Are we there yet?
Spanish flu, 1.8 bil population.
100 mill deaths
Covi virus, 5.5 billion population.

Experts say we should not compare Covid to any flu. Covid causes blood clots and inflation, and lung damage that we do not know about the implications of.

The Spanish Flu was a century ago, a time when medicine and communications were much less advanced than they are now. We can now use antibiotics to address secondary infections that bedeviled medicine back then.

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Jul 8, 2020 13:51:10   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Wuligal wrote:
Below is a random selection of figures from today's CDC's Covid19 stats. I used my home state of Pennsylvania as a sample but many other states seem to have the same issue. Is it just me or is there something a bit strange with these figures?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

total cases total deaths active cases

State of Penn. 95,986 6,840 18,709
County
Philadelphia 26,901 1,621 25,280
Montgomery 8,682 815 7,867
Delaware 7,429 704 559
Lancaster 4,623 372 4,251
Lebanon 1,389 45 367
Fayette 149 4 145
Blair 89 1 88
Mercer 159 6 153
Below is a random selection of figures from today'... (show quote)

These numbers come from someone called “Worldometer”. The Covid counts that reputable people look at come directly from the states to the CDC.

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