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Jun 26, 2020 14:53:36   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
If people still don't know what it means to be infected with covid19, how harsh treatment can be and what the possible consequences are in the long term after recovery , it is about time you inform yourself or change sources that "informed" you in the past.....

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Jun 26, 2020 15:01:03   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Haenzel wrote:
If people still don't know what it means to be infected with covid19, how harsh treatment can be and what the possible consequences are in the long term after recovery , it is about time you inform yourself or change sources that "informed" you in the past.....

‘Vent’ usage became so routine a few months ago that many of us missed the details of how intrusive, ‘heroric’, and awful that treatment is.

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Jun 26, 2020 15:45:29   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
A CNN commentator suggested today that heart and/or lung damage left behind by Covid-19 might be considered a “pre-existing” medical condition.

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Jun 26, 2020 17:01:06   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Ah yes, just what we all need, more covid19 doom and gloom. I'm guessing you're one of those folks who puts on the face mask before leaving the house, wears it in the car, and doesn't take it off until safely back in your bleach sented home.

Why so snarky?
Dennis was just posting an educational description of what it's like to need a mechanical ventilator.
The description was fairly accurate.
"Gloom and doom?"
You are aware, aren't you, that we've lost over 127,300 people thus far to the pandemic? And that it is not over yet?

BTW... Did you see today's headlines?
"US records largest daily increase in new coronavirus cases"
https://nypost.com/2020/06/26/us-records-largest-daily-increase-in-coronavirus-cases/
Could this be the result of folks that think like you do?
Does this headline convey anything meaningful to you?
Or do you avoid reading about things that don't fit your private narrative? Including what's it's like to be on a vent?

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Jun 27, 2020 00:34:20   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
digit-up wrote:
YUP!!! I would bet that he IS ONE that is that SMART. You go right ahead and live your WAY, even though you would put others at risk. It’s frequently fools like you that will contaminate others...............................RJM


You know not of what you speak. If anyone's a fool it's the person who passes judgement when they are making incorrect assumptions, and false accusations. You are, what my favorite cartoon rabbit says, a maroon.

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Jun 27, 2020 01:10:19   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
cameranut wrote:
By the way, you misspelled scented, smarty.


I've been misspelling a lot lately. For some unknown reason my spellcheck has stopped working.

By the way, for all you haters out there, I wear the required mask when entering stores. I wash my hands when I get home. I have hand sanitizer in the car and I use it when ever I've been in a store. And, several years ago I suffered a stroke and I know what it's like to be ventilated and I spent a week in the ICU.

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Jun 27, 2020 05:47:31   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Ah yes, just what we all need, more covid19 doom and gloom. I'm guessing you're one of those folks who puts on the face mask before leaving the house, wears it in the car, and doesn't take it off until safely back in your bleach sented home.


Well I'm not a pancake expert but you seem like a tosser to me

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Jun 27, 2020 06:13:58   #
EnglishBrenda Loc: Kent, England
 
Good on you Dennis, I didn't know all the details regarding ventilation. The thought of it is just too scary to take any chances on catching or passing on this virus. People over here are slacking quite a bit in social distancing, probably because they don't truly understand the possible costs of this virus to themselves, to medics and to others around them. They should all read this post. Keep save my friend.

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Jun 27, 2020 07:26:33   #
sueyeisert Loc: New Jersey
 
Yes I wear a mask, but not when I’m alone in the car. I also try to stay 6ft away from people. I have friends and family who have been infected. There are 120,000 and counting dead. This is not hype or a joke. In a few days Florida went from 4,000 cases per day to 9,000. Why didn’t governors from Florida, Texas,Arizona pay attention to Gov. Cuomo and Dr. Fauchi. We should ask ourselves how long can our medical professional work 6 days a week 12 hours a day to care for people with Covid? If you don’t wear a mask, socially distance then when you get Covid don’t go to the hospital.

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Jun 27, 2020 07:28:00   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Ah yes, just what we all need, more covid19 doom and gloom. I'm guessing you're one of those folks who puts on the face mask before leaving the house, wears it in the car, and doesn't take it off until safely back in your bleach sented home.


At times it is best to remain silent and be thought of as ignorant rather than open your mouth to confirm that fact.

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Jun 27, 2020 07:28:21   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Sent to me by a friend:

Dennis


Yikes! My friend sent this from a co-worker. I don’t know how true it is but his wife is a nurse at Cedars. And my sister, who is a retired nurse practitioner, agrees with this.

From a source . . .

Not to scare you/ but allows u to see the other side of going out unmasked/without a shield:

Here you go folks... for those people who don't understand what it means to be on a ventilator but want to take the chance of going out without a mask...

For starters, it's NOT an oxygen mask put over the mouth while the patient is comfortably lying down and reading magazines. Ventilation for Covid-19 is a painful intubation that goes down your throat and stays there until you live or you die.

It is done under anesthesia for 2 to 3 weeks without moving, often upside down, with a tube inserted from the mouth up to the trachea and allows you to breathe to the rhythm of the lung machine. The patient can't talk or eat, or do anything naturally - the machine keeps you alive.

The discomfort and pain they feel from this means medical experts have to administer sedatives and painkillers to ensure tube tolerance for as long as the machine is needed. It's like being in an artificial coma.

After 20 days from this treatment, a young patient loses 40% muscle mass, and gets mouth or vocal cords trauma, as well as possible pulmonary or heart complications.

It is for this reason that old or already weak people can't withstand the treatment and die. Many of us are in this boat ... so stay safe unless you want to take the chance of ending up here. This is NOT the flu.

Add a tube into your stomach, either through your nose or skin for liquid food, a sticky bag around your butt to collect the diarrhea, a foley catheter to collect urine, an IV for fluids and meds, an A-line f to monitor your BP that is completely dependent upon finely calculated med doses, teams of nurses, CRNA’s and MA’s to reposition your limbs every two hours and lying on a mat that circulates ice cold fluid to help bring down your 104 degree temp.

-Anyone want to try all that out? Stay home and wear a mask when you go out! Stay safe and well!-

What this article doesn't say, is that the patient can hear everything that is said so if the staff carelessly talks about death, the patient panics. If the sedatives are lessened, the patient panics because he can't breath or talk or, in his case, move. When they begin to lower the pain medications, the patient screams in his head but can't make a sound. When they take out the tubes it's extremely uncomfortable. A trachea may replace the respirator, the patient still can't talk or eat without a tube.

Your child, your spouse, your parent, suffers from covid 19 alone in the hospital. The victims are not limited to strangers. When you choose to crowd, unmasked, into newly opened stores for some irrelevant purchase, ask yourself if it's worth a lifetime of knowing your child suffered, maybe died, alone.
Sent to me by a friend: br br Dennis br br br Y... (show quote)


Yes, doing medical Architecture I get to see a lot of interesting things and you are right.
I am doing a storage project for a hospital and in their warehouse they have 300 ventilators that have never been used.
They ordered a crap load of them and thankfully it did not hit anywhere as bad as projected.
Take care and do as you see fit for yourself.

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Jun 27, 2020 07:37:24   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Yes, doing medical Architecture I get to see a lot of interesting things and you are right.
I am doing a storage project for a hospital and in their warehouse they have 300 ventilators that have never been used.
They ordered a crap load of them and thankfully it did not hit anywhere as bad as projected.
Take care and do as you see fit for yourself.


I understand your point. The need for ventilators is overblown, meaning the number of infections is exaggerated as well; and, as Pence said yesterday, Trump did a wonderful job in controlling this national health crisis.

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Jun 27, 2020 07:43:33   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I understand your point. The need for ventilators is overblown, meaning the number of infections is exaggerated as well; and, as Pence said yesterday, Trump did a wonderful job in controlling this national health crisis.

"Trump did a wonderful job in controlling this national health crisis" So true. He is among others who did he same, the Mayor of the city of New York and also the Governors of New York and New Jersey.

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Jun 27, 2020 07:45:33   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I understand your point. The need for ventilators is overblown, meaning the number of infections is exaggerated as well; and, as Pence said yesterday, Trump did a wonderful job in controlling this national health crisis.


So you say that I am lying about ventilators laying around?
There is an excess of them and NO ONE was ever denied one in the USA ever from the beginning.
Death rate now is at 1/2 that of the annual flu.

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Jun 27, 2020 07:47:02   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Ah yes, just what we all need, more covid19 doom and gloom. I'm guessing you're one of those folks who puts on the face mask before leaving the house, wears it in the car, and doesn't take it off until safely back in your bleach sented home.


Are you opposed to wearing a face mask? I saw people at a hearing in another state giving their reasons why no one should wear a mask.

"It interferes with the beautiful breathing system that God has given us."

"Wearing a mask kills people."

It's hard to argue with reasoning like that.

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