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May 7, 2020 11:36:17   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Kraken wrote:
I get hell from everyone for not posting a link but it is perfectly OK for you to not do it.

You write down some crap and expect us all to believe that you just didn't pull that out of your rectum.


He didn't. The numbers I ran across were worse than his and I was 18 at the time, and have mostly no recollection of it at all. I was going to school, joining in protests, and other activities that got bodies pretty close. Seems more people worried about mono, or some things soldiers were bringing back that didn't cure that easily.

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May 7, 2020 11:38:25   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Problem Krackhead's links are to f**e news outlets that are propaganda arms of the DNC so they are totally unreliable and full of lies and misinformation.


He does shop for the lies he wants to believe.

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May 7, 2020 11:41:48   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
I think your comparison is skewed a tad. First off, your HK flu stats aren't for just 2 or 3 months. It's for the entire time the HK flu was k*****g people. We've only been in this COVD19 p******c for maybe 3 months or so. Also, we have been doing something about it, as you say, we've been social distancing, closing non essential businesses, borders, etc., so our numbers for this p******c might be 10x higher if nothing had been done like the HK flu.

Now, go back to 1918 and check out the stats for the Spanish flu. They estimated between 20m and 40m people died globally from this flu. Yes, the m is for "millions".... And . . . in some areas, they did practice social distancing, masks, and sheltering in place and in those areas the number of cases were much lower including lower death rates. While almost every country was affected at the same time, Australia wasn't hit hard at first because they refused entry when they got word of the Spanish flu. But people complained that they couldn't get imports and goods so after a few months they started allowing entry in their ports and immediately they were hit with the Spanish flu and people started dying.
I think your comparison is skewed a tad. First of... (show quote)


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/

This was a good read. It suggests that a fair number of people (children) literally starved to death and may not have died from the flu but died because of it.

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May 7, 2020 11:48:33   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Just an observation, but the overreaction (that you are implying is taking place) is not restricted to the US. The entire world is in similar dire straits economically to varying degrees.

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May 7, 2020 11:48:46   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
thom w wrote:
I had very minor input, but if that's the mood you are in, never mind.


The input I am looking for isn't likely to be found on Google.

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May 7, 2020 11:58:16   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Just an observation, but the overreaction (that you are implying is taking place) is not restricted to the US. The entire world is in similar dire straits economically to varying degrees.


Again, I am looking for input from the HK flu in the USA for the 1968-69 outbreak. That very much limits it to the USA.

I have zero recollection of any sort of outbreak in the US at that time. For all I know, Canada was spared. If you have some recollection of this event in Canada by all means share.

I've read some articles here and there over the last 20 years on the 1918 p******c. One article said it got so bad that towns in Alaska were walled off and anyone attempting to get in was directed to turn around or be shot dead. As I recall the article was about virologists looking to get samples of the 1918 flu from the buried dead as they were buried in the permafrost.

Chew on that for a minute. Live 1918 v***s coming out of the permafrost.....

Ok, so back to the USA and 1968....anything to share?

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May 7, 2020 12:42:33   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
hondo812 wrote:
Again, I am looking for input from the HK flu in the USA for the 1968-69 outbreak. That very much limits it to the USA.

I have zero recollection of any sort of outbreak in the US at that time. For all I know, Canada was spared. If you have some recollection of this event in Canada by all means share.

I've read some articles here and there over the last 20 years on the 1918 p******c. One article said it got so bad that towns in Alaska were walled off and anyone attempting to get in was directed to turn around or be shot dead. As I recall the article was about virologists looking to get samples of the 1918 flu from the buried dead as they were buried in the permafrost.

Chew on that for a minute. Live 1918 v***s coming out of the permafrost.....

Ok, so back to the USA and 1968....anything to share?
Again, I am looking for input from the HK flu in t... (show quote)


1968 was a key year in my life, but nothing remarkable about the Hong Kong Flu sticks in my mind. If I or any of my acquaintances caught it then it was certainly not serious enough to remember. Probably "just a flu" if anything.

Regarding live 1918 v***s coming out of the permafrost, that may or may not be a concern. As a former "cryobiologist" I can tell you that preserving biological material successfully by freezing takes attention to preparing the material, cooling it under appropriate temperature/time profiles, storing it at appropriate temperatures (LN2 at -196C is typical for long term storage), then warming with appropriate temperature/time profiles, and then handling it appropriately once thawed. I suspect that v***s trapped in dead bodies buried in the permafrost for over 100 years would have little chance of being "live" as the permafrost thaws. But it would make for a great movie theme.

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May 7, 2020 12:56:46   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
hondo812 wrote:
Again, I am looking for input from the HK flu in the USA for the 1968-69 outbreak. That very much limits it to the USA.

I have zero recollection of any sort of outbreak in the US at that time. For all I know, Canada was spared. If you have some recollection of this event in Canada by all means share.

I've read some articles here and there over the last 20 years on the 1918 p******c. One article said it got so bad that towns in Alaska were walled off and anyone attempting to get in was directed to turn around or be shot dead. As I recall the article was about virologists looking to get samples of the 1918 flu from the buried dead as they were buried in the permafrost.

Chew on that for a minute. Live 1918 v***s coming out of the permafrost.....

Ok, so back to the USA and 1968....anything to share?
Again, I am looking for input from the HK flu in t... (show quote)


I was a Junior in HS and have no recollection of any panic.
If you take the current matter only 3 states account for 52% of all cases and NY and NJ account for 48% deaths in the whole nation.
Half the counties in the USA have had no cases.
This whole thing is a h**x.
Just prohibit the infected states from having anyone leaving them. The rest of the country would be fine from this h**x.

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May 7, 2020 13:15:49   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
I think your comparison is skewed a tad. First off, your HK flu stats aren't for just 2 or 3 months. It's for the entire time the HK flu was k*****g people. We've only been in this COVD19 p******c for maybe 3 months or so. Also, we have been doing something about it, as you say, we've been social distancing, closing non essential businesses, borders, etc., so our numbers for this p******c might be 10x higher if nothing had been done like the HK flu.

Now, go back to 1918 and check out the stats for the Spanish flu. They estimated between 20m and 40m people died globally from this flu. Yes, the m is for "millions".... And . . . in some areas, they did practice social distancing, masks, and sheltering in place and in those areas the number of cases were much lower including lower death rates. While almost every country was affected at the same time, Australia wasn't hit hard at first because they refused entry when they got word of the Spanish flu. But people complained that they couldn't get imports and goods so after a few months they started allowing entry in their ports and immediately they were hit with the Spanish flu and people started dying.
I think your comparison is skewed a tad. First of... (show quote)

With regard to the 1918 Flu. Medicine was still in the dark ages. Treatment was primitive compared to today. So comparisons of fatalities are really not medically accurate so comparisons have no validity.

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May 7, 2020 13:30:37   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I was a Junior in HS and have no recollection of any panic.
If you take the current matter only 3 states account for 52% of all cases and NY and NJ account for 48% deaths in the whole nation.
Half the counties in the USA have had no cases.
This whole thing is a h**x.
Just prohibit the infected states from having anyone leaving them. The rest of the country would be fine from this h**x.


Wow, that's eye opening. I had you figured for at least another 30 years. your attitude toward women and all. Your only 68?

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May 7, 2020 13:30:40   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
JohnFrim wrote:
1968 was a key year in my life, but nothing remarkable about the Hong Kong Flu sticks in my mind. If I or any of my acquaintances caught it then it was certainly not serious enough to remember. Probably "just a flu" if anything.

Regarding live 1918 v***s coming out of the permafrost, that may or may not be a concern. As a former "cryobiologist" I can tell you that preserving biological material successfully by freezing takes attention to preparing the material, cooling it under appropriate temperature/time profiles, storing it at appropriate temperatures (LN2 at -196C is typical for long term storage), then warming with appropriate temperature/time profiles, and then handling it appropriately once thawed. I suspect that v***s trapped in dead bodies buried in the permafrost for over 100 years would have little chance of being "live" as the permafrost thaws. But it would make for a great movie theme.
1968 was a key year in my life, but nothing remark... (show quote)


My very brief foray into studying biology basically said that a v***s isn't exactly a life form. That was in the late 70's and they may have changed their minds by now...maybe even more than once. I will defer to your expertise then. If it were to ever thaw out....could it be dangerous?

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May 7, 2020 13:38:53   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
The Asian Flu about ten years before it, took almost 70K in the US.

For comparison: US population during Asian Flu---175M
During C***d **---331M(almost double)

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May 7, 2020 13:41:13   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
WNYShooter wrote:
The Asian Flu about ten years before it, took almost 70K in the US.


That number is already in our rear view mirror this time around.

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May 7, 2020 14:53:50   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
WNYShooter wrote:
The Asian Flu about ten years before it, took almost 70K in the US.

For comparison: US population during Asian Flu---175M
During C***d **---331M(almost double)


Do NOT confuse stupid libs with the facts.

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May 7, 2020 15:22:16   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
LWW wrote:
I had the HK flu and it was brutal.

It also is a c****a v***s.

I’ve never had the flu since.

I do suspect I had C***D in February.


I had H1N1 the first year it was out. 7 days in the hospital followed by three weeks of recovery.

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