Intense Frustration!!
Jan 14, 2020 23:15:09 #
DirtFarmer wrote:
At 80, I believe that it’s always good to be in danger of learning something new.
I took a two week trip without my cameras, just my phone. It did just fine for the scenery but I would have preferred my cameras for the low light shots. My cameras do better when I pixel peep but I am not addicted to that.
I took a two week trip without my cameras, just my phone. It did just fine for the scenery but I would have preferred my cameras for the low light shots. My cameras do better when I pixel peep but I am not addicted to that.
"At 80,..."
I'm only a half dozen years behind you. Those years look to have some fantastic photography and videography tools coming. IA and computational imaging may blossom with awesome results. I think there is potentially more coming than insisting on "Manual" is going to provide.
Jan 15, 2020 05:51:17 #
I recently learned that my s9+ can shoot raw. I now shoot raw+jpeg, so I can immediately share jpeg to social media, and raw, so I can pist process afterward. I don't always have my D500 with me!
Jan 15, 2020 06:05:25 #
bsprague wrote:
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I... (show quote)
I share your PAIN!!!
Jan 15, 2020 06:41:46 #
Take a whole month and shoot only with the phone, it may become more clear what you should do after that.
Jan 15, 2020 06:44:11 #
Bill, there is nothing wrong with your traditional approach. The phone is just a different device. That's all. I store my images both film and digital by CameraCode-Date-RollNumber-exposure. It wouldn't matter if I stored them locally (my preferred method) or on a remote server. You'll be just fine.
--Bob
--Bob
bsprague wrote:
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I... (show quote)
Jan 15, 2020 07:33:22 #
Agreed that the quality has improved a lot in the past few years, but remember that a) they have a fixed focal length, usually very wide angle and 2) with those tiny sensors, they lack any low light performance.
About b) if you calculate the equivalente aperture to fullframe by using the crop factor, you'll end up with F16, F32 or worse.
Said that, I do take photos with my cellphone, not because it's better than my cameras, but because it's always with me. And I usually post process them in the same phone using Snapseed.
Snapseed is free for Android. Give it a try... it's no Ligthroom, but you'll be amazed of what can be do with it.
About b) if you calculate the equivalente aperture to fullframe by using the crop factor, you'll end up with F16, F32 or worse.
Said that, I do take photos with my cellphone, not because it's better than my cameras, but because it's always with me. And I usually post process them in the same phone using Snapseed.
Snapseed is free for Android. Give it a try... it's no Ligthroom, but you'll be amazed of what can be do with it.
Jan 15, 2020 07:43:55 #
bsprague wrote:
The prints are so good that I'm pissed off.
I know what you mean. You use an "inferior" product and find out that it's not so inferior after all. Frustrating. My excuse is that I'm not very good at using a phone camera.
Jan 15, 2020 08:02:10 #
bsprague wrote:
"your workflow with the Lightroom app"
There is a complex linking/syncing system in place that puts images both "in the cloud" and on the computer "in" Lightroom Classic. Once set up, you don't do anything. Images are there ready to attack with the sliders.
There is a complex linking/syncing system in place that puts images both "in the cloud" and on the computer "in" Lightroom Classic. Once set up, you don't do anything. Images are there ready to attack with the sliders.
There is still a workflow unless you’re importing your files into LR and doing nothing with them.
Jan 15, 2020 08:10:55 #
MrMophoto
Loc: Rhode Island "The biggest little"
So the bottom line is (and should always be) the quality of the finished photo, who cares how you got there. I tell my photography students that no one cares what your photograph looks like when you press the shutter button, what you present to the world as the finished print is what you are judged by. I also started in a wet B&W darkroom and had ideas to create all kinds of images. It would have taken the most extensive darkroom of the day and hundreds of man-hours, today I have not found a limit to what I can do with a single camera and my computer (I use PS a lot). I have my work printed at a local fine art print shop because I don't want the expense of maintaining an expensive printer. I am constantly amazed at the quality and the kind of images I can produce.
Jan 15, 2020 09:29:12 #
gvarner
Loc: Central Oregon Coast
If it’s "good enough" for you, do it. A camera combined with a phone is still a camera. And within their limits, they take great pictures.
Jan 15, 2020 09:43:26 #
davyboy
Loc: Anoka Mn.
bsprague wrote:
As it happens, my phone is the S9 without the plus. I have the Lightroom app on it and, you are right, it does shoot RAW. It bothers me that the thing is so damn good at getting detail in the highlights and shadows. It just shouldn't be able to do that with such a small sensor.
Perhaps there is message, we put to much emphasis on sensor size.
Jan 15, 2020 10:01:16 #
bsprague wrote:
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I... (show quote)
Your world is very good....celebrate that. You have more choices and power at your finger tips than any nation of people who ever walked the earth in recent centuries.
You can learn to accept change and work with it instead of against it. I recently sold my entire dark room and I have moved on to newer things. I still shoot my film cameras and have them processed by others.
Your curiosity and need to know should be your compass and your horizon should be expanding and not shrinking. It's what keeps us young. To not know is bad ,but to willingly not wish to know....far worse.
You'll be fine. Eat two cookies and call me on the Hog !
Jan 15, 2020 10:14:58 #
MrMophoto
Loc: Rhode Island "The biggest little"
My father once told me about the derivation of the word Luddite; it comes from a man named Ludd, who in the later half of the 1800s recruited a group of people to break into the "new" industrial factories of the day and smash the machines because they felt that the new industrial processes were taking jobs away from working people. The term has come to mean a person that blindly resists advances in technology.
If you like the older technologies, have fun, but don't be a LUDDITE!
If you like the older technologies, have fun, but don't be a LUDDITE!
Jan 15, 2020 10:40:01 #
Jan 15, 2020 10:41:01 #
ELNikkor wrote:
Take a whole month and shoot only with the phone, it may become more clear what you should do after that.
That's a good idea! But maybe only a week or two.
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