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Jan 14, 2020 13:52:03   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
bsprague wrote:
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I shoot with a camera that has lenses and process what comes out of them. It used to be film in a wet darkroom. Now it is Lightroom Classic because SD cards don't fit the tank reels very well. But, the workflow is familiar. My images are stored in computer folders, by date instead of sleeves by date. They are still stored by date. I have a screen with thumbnails instead of contact sheets. Instead of an enlarger, I have an inkjet printer.

A week ago I decided to step outside the box. I shot with a phone and let it store in the cloud. I wanted some arty, black and white prints of routine "parts" from my new retirement resort campus. Think valves, chains, locks, sculptures, benches, etc. They are for the next meeting of the photography club where I am the newest member. The assingment was to shoot the "inner workings" of the place.

The prints are so good that I'm pissed off. I don't want to use a phone. I don't want my images in the cloud. I don't want so much automatic processing. But I think the results are better than if I would have stuck to my old habits.

Am I too old to change? Too old to learn a new workflow? Do I mothball my cherished gear? Do I use the phone and pretend the results are from a camera?

My frustration is intense.
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I... (show quote)


What a bummer, man.

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Jan 14, 2020 13:56:21   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
I am constantly amazed at the quality of the images from my iPhone camera. The biggest drawback is the lack of zoom ability. Yes, I can zoom, but its all digital, and the image instantly falls apart when zooming with it. Now, mine is an
iPhone 8i Plus, and I understand this is no longer the case with the new iPhone 11 series. These things have come a long way recently. I guess maybe I’m getting lazy in my old age.

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Jan 14, 2020 13:57:25   #
johnhjacobs
 
It's been said that the best camera is the one you have with you, likely a smart phone. I have a iPhone 10 that can take great pictures and it will even let me change the aperture and control focus/exposure. However, I almost never use it for "fine" photography and I don't use the cloud for storage (beyond unlimited photo backup storage with my Amazon Prime membership). For me I enjoy processing of photos almost as much as taking them. I also enjoy doing things with my DSLRs that phones just can't do today such as: high resolution panoramas, focus stacking, HDR with many exposures, infrared/UV photography, and wildlife photography at high zoom levels. My advice is don't be frustrated. Use your phone and the cloud and use your DSLR computer file system. Enjoy all of it! In fact, based on this discussion I think I will start using my phone to document and mimic my DSLR work just to see what I can learn!

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Jan 14, 2020 13:58:16   #
Katydid Loc: Davis, CA
 
Pretend! Or just don't mention it. I posted one of my favorite shots ever recently and said it was from my tablet. I got almost no response.

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Jan 14, 2020 14:08:23   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Katydid wrote:
Pretend! Or just don't mention it. I posted one of my favorite shots ever recently and said it was from my tablet. I got almost no response.


There is a certain amount of elitism here, as we know from comments regarding cellphone camera/tablets. I missed your photo.

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Jan 14, 2020 16:31:36   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
bsprague wrote:
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I shoot with a camera that has lenses and process what comes out of them. It used to be film in a wet darkroom. Now it is Lightroom Classic because SD cards don't fit the tank reels very well. But, the workflow is familiar. My images are stored in computer folders, by date instead of sleeves by date. They are still stored by date. I have a screen with thumbnails instead of contact sheets. Instead of an enlarger, I have an inkjet printer.

A week ago I decided to step outside the box. I shot with a phone and let it store in the cloud. I wanted some arty, black and white prints of routine "parts" from my new retirement resort campus. Think valves, chains, locks, sculptures, benches, etc. They are for the next meeting of the photography club where I am the newest member. The assingment was to shoot the "inner workings" of the place.

The prints are so good that I'm pissed off. I don't want to use a phone. I don't want my images in the cloud. I don't want so much automatic processing. But I think the results are better than if I would have stuck to my old habits.

Am I too old to change? Too old to learn a new workflow? Do I mothball my cherished gear? Do I use the phone and pretend the results are from a camera?

My frustration is intense.
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I... (show quote)


You should be happy, here you go, have a didely cheap-shit phone and it takes great pictures that rival what you get with your camera. So be happy that it works out that way! Maybe you're not shooting with a certain intend when taking a picture, I always do, I see something and when I decide to take a pic of it, then I have a certain picture of that in my mind, so that is what I'm shooting for! To get to that, I rely on all the settings that my camera allows me to do (a phone could never do that), so a phone would never work for me. Maybe that's the difference, a different approach!

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Jan 14, 2020 17:08:40   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
bsprague wrote:
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I shoot with a camera that has lenses and process what comes out of them. It used to be film in a wet darkroom. Now it is Lightroom Classic because SD cards don't fit the tank reels very well. But, the workflow is familiar. My images are stored in computer folders, by date instead of sleeves by date. They are still stored by date. I have a screen with thumbnails instead of contact sheets. Instead of an enlarger, I have an inkjet printer.

A week ago I decided to step outside the box. I shot with a phone and let it store in the cloud. I wanted some arty, black and white prints of routine "parts" from my new retirement resort campus. Think valves, chains, locks, sculptures, benches, etc. They are for the next meeting of the photography club where I am the newest member. The assingment was to shoot the "inner workings" of the place.

The prints are so good that I'm pissed off. I don't want to use a phone. I don't want my images in the cloud. I don't want so much automatic processing. But I think the results are better than if I would have stuck to my old habits.

Am I too old to change? Too old to learn a new workflow? Do I mothball my cherished gear? Do I use the phone and pretend the results are from a camera?

My frustration is intense.
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I... (show quote)


First off, you need to stop thinking about pretending that your results are from a camera. No pretend needed. It is a camera, and a darn good one in most cases. It's just a different format. It's a camera that can make phone calls and surf the Internet. It could even save a life someday should there be an emergency. If a 'real camera' could be as useful, convenient, efficient and capable, would you hesitate to use it or be as troubled by it? Life is too short to sweat the small stuff. Use what works and enjoy life!

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Jan 14, 2020 17:11:05   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
bsprague wrote:
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I shoot with a camera that has lenses and process what comes out of them. It used to be film in a wet darkroom. Now it is Lightroom Classic because SD cards don't fit the tank reels very well. But, the workflow is familiar. My images are stored in computer folders, by date instead of sleeves by date. They are still stored by date. I have a screen with thumbnails instead of contact sheets. Instead of an enlarger, I have an inkjet printer.

A week ago I decided to step outside the box. I shot with a phone and let it store in the cloud. I wanted some arty, black and white prints of routine "parts" from my new retirement resort campus. Think valves, chains, locks, sculptures, benches, etc. They are for the next meeting of the photography club where I am the newest member. The assingment was to shoot the "inner workings" of the place.

The prints are so good that I'm pissed off. I don't want to use a phone. I don't want my images in the cloud. I don't want so much automatic processing. But I think the results are better than if I would have stuck to my old habits.

Am I too old to change? Too old to learn a new workflow? Do I mothball my cherished gear? Do I use the phone and pretend the results are from a camera?

My frustration is intense.
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I... (show quote)


Go with the flow . . .

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Jan 14, 2020 17:36:33   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
What a bummer, man.


Thanks for your kind sympathy!

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Jan 14, 2020 17:40:20   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
LFingar wrote:
First off, you need to stop thinking about pretending that your results are from a camera. No pretend needed. It is a camera, and a darn good one in most cases. It's just a different format. It's a camera that can make phone calls and surf the Internet. It could even save a life someday should there be an emergency. If a 'real camera' could be as useful, convenient, efficient and capable, would you hesitate to use it or be as troubled by it? Life is too short to sweat the small stuff. Use what works and enjoy life!
First off, you need to stop thinking about pretend... (show quote)


"It could even save a life someday should there be an emergency. " My son gave me a watch to go with my phone/camera. If I push the off button three times, it sends a text to a list of contacts to find and rescue me.

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Jan 14, 2020 17:45:17   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
A few of my favorite images came from a phone camera. The trick is to understand and learn to work within the limitations of the phone's camera, and when necessary, make use of apps which can expand the camera's capabilities. And perhaps most importantly, keep a positive attitude about what can be achieved with the phone's camera. People who are quick to dismiss their phone cameras typically don't put sufficient effort into understanding how to use the camera effectively... then accept the resulting images as further proof that the camera is no good.

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Jan 14, 2020 17:48:15   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
speters wrote:
You should be happy, here you go, have a didely cheap-shit phone and it takes great pictures that rival what you get with your camera. So be happy that it works out that way! Maybe you're not shooting with a certain intend when taking a picture, I always do, I see something and when I decide to take a pic of it, then I have a certain picture of that in my mind, so that is what I'm shooting for! To get to that, I rely on all the settings that my camera allows me to do (a phone could never do that), so a phone would never work for me. Maybe that's the difference, a different approach!
You should be happy, here you go, have a didely ch... (show quote)


"I rely on all the settings that my camera allows me to do (a phone could never do that). The Lightroom Android app has manual shutter speed, manual focus, exposure compensation, ISO, white balance and maybe more I've not found yet.

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Jan 14, 2020 17:49:07   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
Go with the flow . . .


WILCO

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Jan 14, 2020 19:51:29   #
dandi Loc: near Seattle, WA
 
bsprague wrote:
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I shoot with a camera that has lenses and process what comes out of them. It used to be film in a wet darkroom. Now it is Lightroom Classic because SD cards don't fit the tank reels very well. But, the workflow is familiar. My images are stored in computer folders, by date instead of sleeves by date. They are still stored by date. I have a screen with thumbnails instead of contact sheets. Instead of an enlarger, I have an inkjet printer.

A week ago I decided to step outside the box. I shot with a phone and let it store in the cloud. I wanted some arty, black and white prints of routine "parts" from my new retirement resort campus. Think valves, chains, locks, sculptures, benches, etc. They are for the next meeting of the photography club where I am the newest member. The assingment was to shoot the "inner workings" of the place.

The prints are so good that I'm pissed off. I don't want to use a phone. I don't want my images in the cloud. I don't want so much automatic processing. But I think the results are better than if I would have stuck to my old habits.

Am I too old to change? Too old to learn a new workflow? Do I mothball my cherished gear? Do I use the phone and pretend the results are from a camera?

My frustration is intense.
I'm a traditional photographer that has habits. I... (show quote)


For me it is not only about image. For me photography also is experience. I enjoy using my DSLR's. I like the feeling, like the sound of the shutter/mirror, like the weight. I have an iPhone but use it to make calls, send text messages, read the news and ...., VERY rare to take photos. I don't care how good they are, I just like the experience of using my DSLRs. To travel light I have D5500 with some DX lenses. Paired for example with DX 35mm 1.8 it's very light. I use D700 with 17-35mm 2.8, big and heavy, but feels good in my hands and I enjoy using it.
Don't feel frustrated, use whatever gives you enjoyable experince.

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Jan 14, 2020 20:41:35   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
At 80, I believe that it’s always good to be in danger of learning something new.

I took a two week trip without my cameras, just my phone. It did just fine for the scenery but I would have preferred my cameras for the low light shots. My cameras do better when I pixel peep but I am not addicted to that.

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