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Dec 3, 2019 08:23:01   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington State, home since 2002
 
joelbolden wrote:
I just bought my first iPhone, a TracFone LG REBEL 4 lte...
Serious cell phone photographers don't buy a TracFone 🤗

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Dec 3, 2019 08:29:08   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
With the wrong camera, success is probably 99% luck. But with the right camera, it's 100% the photographer.

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Dec 3, 2019 09:43:53   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
The smart phone software is years ahead of DSLR software. Think about the DSLR that apple could make it they stepped into the market. Since their beginning they have concentrated on graphics. They have the best. If they put all that knowledge and experience in a DSLR it would be an amazing piece of equipment. Look what they do with a small sensor and software. Imagine a full frame sensor and their software. I don't use apple products but I have to respect their abilities.

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Dec 3, 2019 11:07:15   #
Grandpa Ron
 
I believe the future of photography lies in in-camera processing. Lens quality, stability, and even focus corrections, will be handles by advances processing technology built into what every object you use to take the picture.

Post processing will be used to modify and enhance rather than correct the original photo.

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Dec 3, 2019 11:33:23   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
The smart phone software is years ahead of DSLR software. Think about the DSLR that apple could make it they stepped into the market. Since their beginning they have concentrated on graphics. They have the best. If they put all that knowledge and experience in a DSLR it would be an amazing piece of equipment. Look what they do with a small sensor and software. Imagine a full frame sensor and their software. I don't use apple products but I have to respect their abilities.


Then it would cost 2x the price of the competitors

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Dec 3, 2019 11:52:40   #
SteveFranz
 
Evolution folks. The very first digital camera had an image size of only a few Kilopixels. Now even basic cameras have image sizes from 10 - 25 Megapixels. Same thing with phone cameras. They started out small, small sensors, small image size. Now we routinely see phones with resolutions similar to DSLR's. Newer phones (check chinese mfr's) have 48, 64, & 102 Megapixel cameras. They have evolved just like everything else electronic, more capability, more sophistication, lower cost.

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Dec 4, 2019 01:14:05   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
joelbolden wrote:
I just bought my first iPhone, a TracFone LG REBEL 4 lte. Had our first light snow last night, so I thought I'd see how it worked in low light as compared to my Pentax K-70 with a Tamron 75-300mm 4.0-5.6 lens. the top pic is the TracFone; bottom Pentax. Far as I can tell using this particular phone camera anyway, they've got a ways to go yet....if ever. This was shot with available light.


The phone shot shows camera shake. It might be because you zoomed in. Never zoom in with a phone unless it's on a tripod. Or you just might have shaky hands. The grain suggests that the camera is not set to HDR (maximum resolution. It would be good for you to go through the phone manual camera section slowly step by step and do some test shots. Would like to know the make and model of your phone.

Best wishes,
Alan

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Dec 4, 2019 20:01:16   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
joelbolden wrote:
I just bought my first iPhone, a TracFone LG REBEL 4 lte. Had our first light snow last night, so I thought I'd see how it worked in low light as compared to my Pentax K-70 with a Tamron 75-300mm 4.0-5.6 lens. the top pic is the TracFone; bottom Pentax. Far as I can tell using this particular phone camera anyway, they've got a ways to go yet....if ever. This was shot with available light.


I said in an earlier comment that the phone shot looked like a result of camera shake. Upon further study, I think it's a simple focus problem.

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Dec 4, 2019 20:36:03   #
Jersey guy Loc: New Joisey
 
Yes, and it irks me no end. I have been one of those who have raised this issue on more than one occasion and inevitably the responses have poohed poohed the rising competence of cell cameras.

There is no question that a DSLR can outperform a cell camera when a serious photographer puts his skills to the camera. But we're not out trying to produce a salon print every time we push the shutter button. I have said this before and will again....all products go through an improvement curve that exploits all the unique characteristics and capabilities of that product until the curve plateaus off. You can push mother nature just so far with improvements to the sensor, lens, etc.

Cells, on the other hand, have a lot of room to grow. My DSLR zoom, which at best is f 4, cannot possibly deal with lousy lighting when my cell can make an image at f 1.8. Do the math....that's a 5X advantage in light gathering. On top of that have also bristled at the better white balancing (sometimes) of most cells when my Canon gives me crap. I have learned to use my 18% grey card to create a custom white balance on many occasions.

Bottom line: the best camera is the one you have with you when the opportunity presents itself. Not the one back n the closet.

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Dec 4, 2019 20:42:02   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Jersey guy wrote:
Yes, and it irks me no end. I have been one of those who have raised this issue on more than one occasion and inevitably the responses have poohed poohed the rising competence of cell cameras.

There is no question that a DSLR can outperform a cell camera when a serious photographer puts his skills to the camera. But we're not out trying to produce a salon print every time we push the shutter button. I have said this before and will again....all products go through an improvement curve that exploits all the unique characteristics and capabilities of that product until the curve plateaus off. You can push mother nature just so far with improvements to the sensor, lens, etc.

Cells, on the other hand, have a lot of room to grow. My DSLR zoom, which at best is f 4, cannot possibly deal with lousy lighting when my cell can make an image at f 1.8. Do the math....that's a 5X advantage in light gathering. On top of that have also bristled at the better white balancing (sometimes) of most cells when my Canon gives me crap. I have learned to use my 18% grey card to create a custom white balance on many occasions.

Bottom line: the best camera is the one you have with you when the opportunity presents itself. Not the one back n the closet.
Yes, and it irks me no end. I have been one of th... (show quote)


I’ll certainly agree that the best camera is the one you have with you, but with respect, surely you’re not making the argument that a cellphone performs better in low light? Now you can always pick a slow lens for the DSLR, but you just can’t get around the physics of sensor size. If you doubt that, please see the graphs of DR and low light/high ISO sensitivity I posted earlier in this thread.

I will also agree that with the many adjustments available on a DSLR vs automatic exposure on the cellphone camera, there are more things you can get wrong, but that’s a user, not an equipment issue. If you’re not getting the results you expect with your camera and aren’t interested in investing the time to improve your skills with it, just set everything on auto - auto exposure, auto WB, etc.

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Dec 4, 2019 20:45:45   #
Jersey guy Loc: New Joisey
 
foggypreacher wrote:
Just this past weekend while I was taking pictures at my church, one of the musicians asked me to take some photos of him at his drum kit. All the other photos that had been taken of him with cell phones, he did not like. He really did like the ones i took of him and his kit. That was quite a surprise and a pleasant one at that.

Everyone at the church has a camera that happens to have a phone in it. I have one too. However, i have become known as the official photographer for the church newsletter and for our FB page. Others post as well, but I am real careful with mine as I curate them. I straighten if needed, tweek this or that and they come out better than those people take with their phones. I am appreciated for my art, and not just for snapping a couple of pictures.
Just this past weekend while I was taking pictures... (show quote)


I happen to be in the same situation. But you raise a point...90 % of the photos I take end up being reproduced in some sort of printed publication and I dare anyone to tell me that the inherent resolution of my DSLR produces a better end result than any cell.

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Dec 4, 2019 20:54:59   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Jersey guy wrote:
I happen to be in the same situation. But you raise a point...90 % of the photos I take end up being reproduced in some sort of printed publication and I dare anyone to tell me that the inherent resolution of my DSLR produces a better end result than any cell.


"90% of the photos I take end up being reproduced in some sort of printed publication"

Impressive.

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Dec 4, 2019 21:02:37   #
Jersey guy Loc: New Joisey
 
Ha! Got me! I didn't mean it quite that way. What I meant was that 90% of the photos I take for my church's publicity or the small town newspaper that I sometimes submit photos to as a free lance, end up as lo res prints in a paper medium. Truth be told, 90% of my images are probably still on my memory card, much to my wife's chagrin. :-)

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Dec 4, 2019 21:04:01   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Jersey guy wrote:
Ha! Got me! I didn't mean it quite that way. What I meant was that 90% of the photos I take for my church's publicity or the small town newspaper that I sometimes submit photos to as a free lance, end up as lo res prints in a paper medium. Truth be told, 90% of my images are probably still on my memory card, much to my wife's chagrin. :-)



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Dec 5, 2019 11:45:59   #
SteveFranz
 
I was browsing through the ON1 website yesterday. They have a new product for cell phone cameras coming out early 2020. What they say is that this new app will give cell phone cameras more DSLR type capabilities, such a RAW.

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