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Oct 19, 2019 16:52:08   #
nikonbrain Loc: Crystal River Florida
 
Swifti wrote:
I have been trying to photograph some acrylic paintings, but having difficulty capturing a true purple color in one of the paintings. Even after processing, it looks too blueish. Photos taken with a Nikon D40x, standard kit lens at about 30 - 35 mm, iso 100, f5.6, on tripod outdoors with indirect sunlight. Using MacBook Pro stock Photos program for processing. Is it my camera, my lighting, my processing program, or my inexperience - or any combination of the above? Any tips appreciated! Oh, and it’s the mountains in the front that are supposed to look more like a light purple, back ones to left side are actually blue.
I have been trying to photograph some acrylic pain... (show quote)


go to X-rite And get a Color checker passport ,photograph it follow instruction load the software in your computer create a dng profile name it and when done it will install a profile of your camera in the profile stack In ACR adobe camera raw . Choose you camera profile from all others and bingo you will see the colors shift this is assuming you are shooting raw . while in ACR adjust your brightness or exposure and most times it is dead on . I use this method all the time outside under a easy-up or white tarp setup mid day sun no clouds ..I use a BenQ 27 inch RGB color critical monitor and print on a IPF8300 44 inch printer and a new Canon pro 4000 . I photograph art works for clients to reproduce Their work on canvas as an added income . I made enough this summer
to buy the Pro 4000...it will also allow you to create a dual dng under full sun and cloudy days. P.S. we have used the lighting method described by others it works well but does take an investment and room to do it . I prefer the color checker passport ..

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Oct 19, 2019 17:04:10   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Swifti wrote:
Thanks, artBob. Yup, I'm just a novice artist (and even more novice photographer) looking for an inexpensive way to photograph my work; some for online posting, some for judging, some for prints. I am thankful for all the helpful advice from all the people here on this forum - lots of things for me to try to correct this. I never even considered that the problem could be in the calibration of my monitor, and I will be purchasing a ColorChecker Passport or some other type of white balance card to try that, too. Thank you for the tips on the indoor lighting configuration - I will try that, also. And thanks for your kind critique of my artwork - just a novice, trying out a new style - but luckily, I'm pretty thick skinned, lol.
Thanks, artBob. Yup, I'm just a novice artist (an... (show quote)


Indoor setup:

Dimly lit room

40mm Micro Nikkor lens

Camera on tripod or copy stand with lens centered on art, and art plano-parallel to sensor.

Two 20-24 inch soft boxes with multiple photo grade, flicker-free, 5000K to 5600K CFL or LED lamps on low adjustable stands

Lights at 37.5 to 45 degrees up from art surface

Adjust (feather) lights so exposure is within 1/6 f/stop in center, at center edges, and all four corners.

Use Preset (custom, manual) White Balance in reference to a calibration target. OR, use a Color Checker Passport and its Lightroom plug-in.

Open shade is too blue. Sunlight is very difficult to control for copying artwork.

Calibrate and profile a desktop monitor for accurate color adjustment. Use a kit from X-Rite or Datacolor.

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Oct 19, 2019 17:55:51   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Gene51 wrote:
Lots of blind leading the blind.

The only way to get this right is to use real software and a camera calibration target and editing your images on a color profiled display. By this I am referring to an Xrite ColorChecker Passport and Lightroom, and more than likely an Xrite i1 Display Pro, calibration tool at the minimum.

To answer your question - the least of your problem is the camera. On the other hand, you need to be working on a color accurate display. If you haven't profiled it there is a good chance it is not accurately displaying colors. Calibrating your camera/lens combo for the correct color is critical for artwork. Every camera has a slightly different color response curve, and colors can be recorded incorrectly. A ColorChecker Passport will address that. Using Photos will not give you the control you need, and the last time I looked at it there was no provision for a camera profile. Adjusting individual colors without a color accurate display and relying on how things "look" to you is hit or miss at best. And so is dialing in a color temperature setting, which only affects white balance and not green-magenta tint. In addition, your editing environment is critical - it needs to be dark and contribute no color influence. Your lighting would not be my choice, but it can work. And finally, your lack of experience isn't that bad, you know enough to ask the questions that hopefully will get you to your goal.

You don't have to get 100% of the above correct. But the more checkboxes you can tick the better your results will be.

Here is a short video on the ColorChecker Passport and you can see how the question of color accuracy is handled correctly. The software used is Lightroom, which does have the capacity to use a camera profile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDtebpvATzc
Lots of blind leading the blind. br br The only w... (show quote)


If you use my shooting method, you still need to seriously consider what Gene 51 has advised. The method I outlined assumes all of your editing equipment is calibrated as per Gene's advce. My post is mainly
conconcerned with the camera and lighting technique needed to secure even lighting, good color and saturation as well as a accurate exposure. The cross polarization method eliminates unwanted reflections and glare and tends to " cut through" varnish, surface defects, or checking and burnishing which is sometimes found in older paintings. Once you have a well crafted file, you can the proceed to tweaking the color, contrast, density and saturation.

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Oct 20, 2019 13:01:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
burkphoto wrote:
Indoor setup:

Dimly lit room

40mm Micro Nikkor lens

Camera on tripod or copy stand with lens centered on art, and art plano-parallel to sensor.

Two 20-24 inch soft boxes with multiple photo grade, flicker-free, 5000K to 5600K CFL or LED lamps on low adjustable stands

Lights at 37.5 to 45 degrees up from art surface

Adjust (feather) lights so exposure is within 1/6 f/stop in center, at center edges, and all four corners.

Use Preset (custom, manual) White Balance in reference to a calibration target. OR, use a Color Checker Passport and its Lightroom plug-in.

Open shade is too blue. Sunlight is very difficult to control for copying artwork.

Calibrate and profile a desktop monitor for accurate color adjustment. Use a kit from X-Rite or Datacolor.
Indoor setup: br br Dimly lit room br br 40mm M... (show quote)


I forgot to mention that the point of using large light sources is to light the art so evenly that the specular highlights are the same intensity as the diffuse highlights. This eliminates glare without polarizers. For best results, use sources larger than, or same size as, the art.

If using small sources such as studio strobes in polished bowl reflectors, or speedlights, you’ll need E.L.Shapiro’s method.

I’ve used both methods on copy stands and wall-mounted art. Both work well.

My first rig used 650-Watt incandescent “peanut” lamps in 5” bowl reflectors, with polarizers a foot in front of them, and a polarizing filter on the lens. I still use this sort of setup for large originals (over 40x30 inches).

In the Delmar Studios lab, 1989-1995, we had a big 14’ overhead rail camera used for making 11x14 sheet film internegatives in a vacuum back. Lights were also quartz halogen.

My last rig used 24x32 inch Westcott soft boxes, with dual diffusers over five Westcott 5000K photo grade CFL lamps. I found that very forgiving of surface imperfections and paint ridges and “silk” surface photo papers.

By all means, record raw files and use a ColorChecker Passport, or at least a classic X-Rite ColorChecker and a Tiffen or Kodak Q13 21-Step Gray Scale.

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Oct 20, 2019 18:17:20   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U-F7EhLp7g

This video illustrates the effect of the light source on color perception in photography.

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Oct 22, 2019 20:44:40   #
PJinOH Loc: Columbus, OH
 
Looks like you have gotten help answering your question. I just wanted to add that I actually really like the painting (sorry donrent).

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Oct 23, 2019 14:36:09   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Swifti wrote:
I have been trying to photograph some acrylic paintings, but having difficulty capturing a true purple color in one of the paintings. Even after processing, it looks too blueish. Photos taken with a Nikon D40x, standard kit lens at about 30 - 35 mm, iso 100, f5.6, on tripod outdoors with indirect sunlight. Using MacBook Pro stock Photos program for processing. Is it my camera, my lighting, my processing program, or my inexperience - or any combination of the above? Any tips appreciated! Oh, and it’s the mountains in the front that are supposed to look more like a light purple, back ones to left side are actually blue.
I have been trying to photograph some acrylic pain... (show quote)


Color is purely individual. I see a color differently than any other person. Don't even try to duplicate a color with ink when the original is something else. Just do the best you can

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Oct 24, 2019 07:40:23   #
SonyBug
 
donrent wrote:
May I be quite frank ?

That painting is horrible !


Grandma Moses painted it, and it's worth 2 million dollars. Hehe.

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