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Aug 8, 2019 09:04:11   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Feiertag wrote:
I have seen a number of posts on this site that praises or gives credit to lousy captures. Why?

Recently there was a series of a Red Fox. I would have deleted them in a heartbeat. They were total crap from my point of view but people posted that they were lovely, etc. Why would you make a kind comment on something that sucks? I personally wouldn't want you to give me a false pity post.

Please don't encourage garbage. The shooter will think they are doing well but in fact, that is not the case.
I have seen a number of posts on this site that pr... (show quote)


Different strokes for different folks.
Nobody forces you to look at anything, or read anything, you can just skip past it. You can subscribe or unsubscribe any forum section on UHH. If something in a particular forum section upsets you, unsubscribe from that section.
I hope you took the time to read Haydon's and E. L, Shapiro's responses.
Also, if you haven't yet, take the time to read the Photo Gallery section rules. https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-426-1.html

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Aug 8, 2019 09:30:28   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
dancers wrote:
The reason I am a member here is simply to see animals, flowers and scenery.........I know nothing about photography...............it is like paintings. I know what I like but if it is good or not, I care not.

there is room here, surely, for everyone's photos!

I consider your post to be offensive. not to me, but to the people who love their camera.


I think you replied to the wrong post. WHO OFFENDED YOU?

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Aug 8, 2019 09:53:11   #
srt101fan
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
This is a BAD way to start a conversation- I'll explain.

Not EVERYONE on his or any other online photo forum is an aficionado of fine photography. Some folks, if they see a picture of a cute baby, a pretty bird or an interesting animal, the may simply complement the maker. Frankly, they don't know any better and the folks who do should share their expertise and familiars them with the finer points. I don't think they want to mislead an inapt shooter by telling him or her that they are a genius or give them a false sense of confidence nor do they mean to downgrade the standards around here.

So...if you want to improve the standards, rather than issue a rant calling people's work "crap", "lousy" and "garbage", why not write up a tutorial on proper technique, offer constructive critiques, and teach folks to do things right.

Thesis kinds of blanket condemnation of people's work are discouraging and only leads to more name-calling, vitriolic arguments and at the end of the day, nobody learns anything and no one improves.

As a professional photographer, teacher, trainer, print judge at professional competitions and a critic, I have seen some pretty rough stuff. Even as a "boss", a studio owner, I have been disappointed in the performance of some of my own trainees and employees. I never found that going into a tirade and demeaning anyone's work in a harsh and vulgar manner has ever remedied these issues.

Besides, if everyone deletes their mistakes and never posts any of them, how can they possibly learn from their mistakes and do better. Its frustrating when someone poses an issue about something in an image or their work in general that they are dissatisfied with and go into all kinds of written detail but never post an example of the problem- possibly because they are afraid of being browbeaten by nasty folks who just want to deride their work but refuse to help.

Most people will appreciate an honest critique and realize that a inaccurately flattering critique is a disserviced to the maker but they don't need the bluster and the rudeness.
This is a BAD way to start a conversation- I'll ex... (show quote)



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Aug 8, 2019 10:20:28   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Feiertag wrote:
I have seen a number of posts on this site that praises or gives credit to lousy captures. Why?

Recently there was a series of a Red Fox. I would have deleted them in a heartbeat. They were total crap from my point of view but people posted that they were lovely, etc. Why would you make a kind comment on something that sucks? I personally wouldn't want you to give me a false pity post.

Please don't encourage garbage. The shooter will think they are doing well but in fact, that is not the case.
I have seen a number of posts on this site that pr... (show quote)


Too funny to read this as I was tempted to post the same exact message only a day or two ago. But I figured I'd get read the riot act for doing so. I do agree completely with your post. But, I also think that the majority of users do seem to be into "snapshots" and so seem to be happy with their images. I think the people who view poor quality images and say how great they are simply don't know any better and are not aware of what a quality image is. This is a site, after all, where someone asks "what to do with their lens cap while shooting" and 2,437 (when I looked yesterday) people click on the question and 70 people actually post, while questions on technique and other important photography issues get only several hundred clicks.

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Aug 8, 2019 10:29:46   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
I'll like your photo if you'll like mine.. 99% of the Folks here are hobbyist. I've all but stop giving advice from experience as it is often passed up for advice from Like Minded Folks. In other words, I'll take your advice if it's along the way I think and doesn't hurt my feelings. There are more professional sites if you want feedback for your images and want to see extreme talent. It's mostly fun and games here. Most of the feedback and advice should be taken with a grain of salt......

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Aug 8, 2019 10:33:58   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Feiertag wrote:
I have seen a number of posts on this site that praises or gives credit to lousy captures. Why?

Recently there was a series of a Red Fox. I would have deleted them in a heartbeat. They were total crap from my point of view but people posted that they were lovely, etc. Why would you make a kind comment on something that sucks? I personally wouldn't want you to give me a false pity post.

Please don't encourage garbage. The shooter will think they are doing well but in fact, that is not the case.
I have seen a number of posts on this site that pr... (show quote)
Different standards apply to different types of photography. Wildlife, where you need to catch something while it is there, is not fine art like flowers, that don't go anywhere.

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Aug 8, 2019 10:35:30   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
Mac wrote:
Different strokes for different folks.
Nobody forces you to look at anything, or read anything, you can just skip past it. You can subscribe or unsubscribe any forum section on UHH. If something in a particular forum section upsets you, unsubscribe from that section.
I hope you took the time to read Haydon's and E. L, Shapiro's responses.
Also, if you haven't yet, take the time to read the Photo Gallery section rules. https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-426-1.html


Is this the rule?- Please don't judge others too harshly. Even though people usually ask for an honest opinion, please don't forget that we aren't all professional photographers with the best gear available. So please don't insult other users if something isn't up to your own standards.

I have not written a rude comment on anyone's photo(s) since I have been a member of UHH.

Nobody forces you to make a comment on a topic that you don't like or upsets you. You can just skip past it. BTW, what happened to your different strokes for different folks?

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Aug 8, 2019 10:43:44   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
rehess wrote:
Different standards apply to different types of photography. Wildlife, where you need to catch something while it is there, is not fine art like flowers, that don't go anywhere.


There are, however, better and worse shots of wildlife and there are generally accepted practices that result in better and more pleasing shots. I photograph a lot of wildlife because I like the challenge. Each genre of photography has a set of guidelines that are generally practiced by professional photographers and photographers of a "higher caliber," for lack of anything else to call it, and these guidelines do result in very pleasing images, which is, I hope, what most of us want. Wildlife art can be listed in the "fine art" category as can almost any other genre of photography, just take a look at the Art Wolfe images that are very popular.

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Aug 8, 2019 10:51:35   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
via the lens wrote:
Too funny to read this as I was tempted to post the same exact message only a day or two ago. But I figured I'd get read the riot act for doing so. I do agree completely with your post. But, I also think that the majority of users do seem to be into "snapshots" and so seem to be happy with their images. I think the people who view poor quality images and say how great they are simply don't know any better and are not aware of what a quality image is. This is a site, after all, where someone asks "what to do with their lens cap while shooting" and 2,437 (when I looked yesterday) people click on the question and 70 people actually post, while questions on technique and other important photography issues get only several hundred clicks.
Too funny to read this as I was tempted to post th... (show quote)


I don't mind taking the heat, which I expected.

One or two posters more or less told me to go back to where I came from! Sound familiar? B^)

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Aug 8, 2019 11:13:00   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Feiertag wrote:
I have seen a number of posts on this site that praises or gives credit to lousy captures. Why?

Recently there was a series of a Red Fox. I would have deleted them in a heartbeat. They were total crap from my point of view but people posted that they were lovely, etc. Why would you make a kind comment on something that sucks? I personally wouldn't want you to give me a false pity post.

Please don't encourage garbage. The shooter will think they are doing well but in fact, that is not the case.
I have seen a number of posts on this site that pr... (show quote)


There is a way to deliver critique without offending. Words like "total crap" and "something that sucks" and "false pity" may cause the recipient of criticism to focus on the condescension and miss the message. It is something you learn early when you teach anything that involves subjective critique of creative material - be it written or visual or both.

In every case it is important to be aware of the skill level and creative intent of the artist and consider this in your critique. It should be an unbiased assessment of what the artist has presented. What should never into a critique is how the critic would have handled it, or changing the message, or simplistic statements like "total crap", "worthy of deletion" etc without a positive comment on how the artist might better approach the subject to create a closer correlation to his/her intent.

It takes a lot of skill and empathy to deliver effective critique. Sadly, most photographers think that because they take "nice" pictures they are in a position to offer critique, but many fail miserably at it. They come of as arrogant complainers instead of a critic that is trying to be helpful. Who needs a negative experience like that?

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Aug 8, 2019 11:14:46   #
tommy2 Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
 
Feiertag wrote:
I don't mind taking the heat, which I expected...


Wow, you continue to fail the litmus test my post was designed to administer...

It’s nice that this forum has a place for everyone.

Now need to put my green shirt on before hitting send.

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Aug 8, 2019 11:15:37   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
via the lens wrote:
There are, however, better and worse shots of wildlife and there are generally accepted practices that result in better and more pleasing shots. I photograph a lot of wildlife because I like the challenge. Each genre of photography has a set of guidelines that are generally practiced by professional photographers and photographers of a "higher caliber," for lack of anything else to call it, and these guidelines do result in very pleasing images, which is, I hope, what most of us want. Wildlife art can be listed in the "fine art" category as can almost any other genre of photography, just take a look at the Art Wolfe images that are very popular.
There are, however, better and worse shots of wild... (show quote)
and some people can spend all day in a blind while others of us cannot. Some people photograph wolves while others of us photograph squirrels.

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Aug 8, 2019 11:28:54   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
rehess wrote:
and some people can spend all day in a blind while others of us cannot. Some people photograph wolves while others of us photograph squirrels.


And each of us can still get great shots of whatever animals we photograph, carefully composed and thought out, versus a quick snapshot. I know, I've gotten both at various times. My goal is always to get that great shot and I fall short of the that goal a lot but I keep trying! I just saw the absolute best shot I've seen of two deer the other day, and for me deer are really commonplace. The photographer, a friend of mine, got a shot of a mother deer and a fawn and the two were nuzzling. It was a beautiful award-winning shot and one I wish I got! The deer were in his front yard. He is a very good photographer and he used to work for the San Francisco Chronicle as their photographer. He has a high degree of skill and knowledge and he uses it for every shot he takes. And, I'm sure he does not show the shots that don't turn out well!

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Aug 8, 2019 11:37:37   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
via the lens wrote:
And each of us can still get grehttps://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-533441-1.htmlat shots of whatever animals we photograph, carefully composed and thought out, versus a quick snapshot. I know, I've gotten both at various times. My goal is always to get that great shot and I fall short of the that goal a lot but I keep trying!
A problem is meaning of the word “snapshot”; it can mean a ‘cheap’ photo, or it can mean a photo taken quickly because that is when it was available.

I took the following photo instinctively - then I thought. If I had reversed operations, I would have a just another photo of a deer standing still - I am glad I snapped off a photo before she stopped trotting.
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-533441-1.html

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Aug 8, 2019 11:45:53   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
I dont know if these were the pics you were talking about. I did a search on Red Fox and this was the most recent post.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-584395-1.html

To my eye they were absolutely gorgeous and all the praise was well deserved.

Feiertag wrote:
I have seen a number of posts on this site that praises or gives credit to lousy captures. Why?

Recently there was a series of a Red Fox. I would have deleted them in a heartbeat. They were total crap from my point of view but people posted that they were lovely, etc. Why would you make a kind comment on something that sucks? I personally wouldn't want you to give me a false pity post.

Please don't encourage garbage. The shooter will think they are doing well but in fact, that is not the case.
I have seen a number of posts on this site that pr... (show quote)

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