Balancing the Advantages of Mirror-less over DSLRs, and Vice-Versa (Page 3): Quite right . Whilst I love my Nikon D850 it is not the camera I should have bought . Would have been...

Hammer Loc: London UK

Delderby wrote:

What feels best is not necessarily what will be best. Especially when the topic is Mirrorless v DSLR.

Quite right .

Whilst I love my Nikon D850 it is not the camera I should have bought . Would have been better of with
a lower pixel count .

I now realise that there is no perfect camera for anyone , its all about compromise and ignoring the manufacturers hype and misleading statements .

Collhar Loc: New York City.

Chris T wrote:

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"So, please convince me, some of "
Would you blame some one when they told to buy one over the other and you didn't like it? You have camera experience. When you are going to spend a couple to few thousand dollars that should be your choice.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

I am totally satisfied with my D750, so I don't see me buying another substantial camera in the future. If I was still using my D70 as my primary camera, I would have to decide which way to go: another DSLR or a mirrorless. That would be a tough choice. For me to switch to primarily mirrorless, the advantages would have to be substantial and the prices comparable.

Hammer Loc: London UK

jerryc41 wrote:

I am totally satisfied with my D750, so I don't see me buying another substantial camera in the future. If I was still using my D70 as my primary camera, I would have to decide which way to go: another DSLR or a mirrorless. That would be a tough choice. For me to switch to primarily mirrorless, the advantages would have to be substantial and the prices comparable.

You have hit the nail on the head. The Nikon Z series are really for the enthusiast amateur but are prices as professional cameras . That seems to be the bottom line at the moment

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

Jared Polin, aka Froknowsphoto, did a video on YouTube some may find interesting comparing the Nikon Z6, Z7, D850 and D5 FF cameras. I watched it yesterday and found it interesting but I have spent little time looking at mirrorless. I guess the video is aimed at people invested in Nikon system and wanting or using FF cameras.

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

I don’t understand the money limit. Is it a question of not wanting to wait to put together more money for a perhaps better body. Are you suffering mirrorless GAS? Mirrorless should only get better so waiting and saving more money would not seem to be an issue for one who has so much gear to play with already.

Chris T wrote:

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khorinek

I use the Canon EOS RP. I've been interested in Mirrorless for quite some time. I bought one the day they came out. I have since bought another. My 5D Mark III and IV have sat on the shelf since. I like the RP for a number of reasons. (This topic has been covered numerous times here so I won't go in to all the reasons why I prefer Mirrorless over DSLR's). I have recently purchased the Canon RF 24-105 f/4 L IS lens to go with one of my RP's. When the RF 70-200 comes out I may look into it as well.

Lagoonguy Loc: New Smyrna Beach, FL

I have two D750 cameras with a sufficient amount of what I consider quality lenses. I have a D7000 & D7100 and a Tamron 100-400 that I use to attempt to get some bird photos along with 18-200 & 18-300 DX lenses. They got a little bulky and heavy for our overseas travel so I went to a G9 M43 kit for that purpose. I really like the M43 kit and find the silent operation, assurance of what the shot will look like before you snap the photo and the weight savings compelling for travel purposes. But at almost 75 I like my DSLR equipment I have so I’m not interested in getting into an FX mirrorless camera. I think we all have made our choices for our own purposes and preferences. That’s the way it should be. You may find my travel photos on my wife’s YouTube channel “lesdubb” if you like travel videos. I do think Chris T is bating us. For what purpose I have no idea.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

Notorious T.O.D. wrote:

I don’t understand the money limit. Is it a question of not wanting to wait to put together more money for a perhaps better body. Are you suffering mirrorless GAS? Mirrorless should only get better so waiting and saving more money would not seem to be an issue for one who has so much gear to play with already.

For what its worth, I agree with T.O.D.... Now is not the time to make any big jumps considering where you are and where you seem to want to head... WAIT for the successor to the R which should have IBIS. Folks don't seem to mind the lens adapter and with your collection of Canon FF lenses you should be all set. Now is NOT the time to be on the cutting edge; way too much happening unless you are just a half arse collector like me who has a Sigma dp2 Merrill coming on the big brown truck. NOW, if you want an interesting topic to chew on start a thread on the differences, pros and cons, of the Foveon sensor as opposed to the Bayer design. Sigma VPs are talking about a 60mp FF with a hybrid sensor in 2020; can we dream of some sort of Foveon sensor ?

mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma

Initially, I went micro 4/3s because I just couldn’t deal with lugging my Nikon gear after a 6 week National Park tour. I chose Olympus based on the recommendation of a Nat Geo photographer. However, what I didn’t expect is that I’ve become a better photographer after making the switch. I’m using more of the camera’s features because I don’t have to plow through a bunch of menus, they’re all there on my touch screen. Does that make me a better photographer, sort of, but really it’s because I use it more often. I take it with me almost all the time. If you do decide to make the switch, I think you’ll find it liberating regardless of which mirrorless you choose.

olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida

Wingpilot wrote:

Perhaps I misstated, the D7200 and A6300 both have Sony sensors. Both are APS-C cameras. Same size sensors.
I checked both BB and B&H, and neither sell the D7200 new, although B&H showed a D7200 refurb, and one new D90, for over $300.00. Interesting that they would have a D90. I didn’t check other dealers.
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List of Nikon cameras and sensors - not that it really matters. D7000 was Sony, then D7100 & 7200 went Toshiba, D7500 back to Sony...... Nice D7200 refurbs, Adorama Camera @ $549.00 currently ( I just received mine, like it !! ) Nikon Rumors and Wikipedia both have listings, among others....

D40: 6 MP CCD Sony
D40x: 10 MP CCD Sony
D50: 6 MP CCD Sony
D60: 10 MP CCD Sony
D70: 6 MP CCD Sony
D80: 10 MP CCD Sony
D90: 12 MP CMOS Sony
D7000: 16 MP CMOS Sony
D7100: 24 MP CMOS Toshiba
D7200: 24 MP CMOS Toshiba
D7500: 20.9 MP CMOS Sony

D3000: 10 MP CCD Sony
D3100: 14 MP CMOS Nikon
D3200: 24 MP CMOS Nikon
D3300: 24 MP CMOS Sony

D5000: 12 MP CMOS Sony
D5100: 16 MP CMOS Sony
D5200: 24 MP CMOS Toshiba
D5300: 24 MP CMOS Sony (?)
D5500: 24 MP CMOS Sony

D100: 6 MP CCD Sony
D200: 10 MP CCD Sony
D300: 12 MP CMOS Sony

D600: 24 MP CMOS Sony
D610: 24 MP CMOS Sony
D750: 24 MP CMOS Sony

D700: 12 MP CMOS Nikon
Df: 16 MP CMOS Nikon

D800/D800E: 36 MP CMOS Sony
D810/D810A: 36 MP CMOS Sony
D850: 45MP CMOS Sony

D1: 2.7 MP Sony
D1h: 2.7 MP Sony
D1x: 5.47 MP Sony
D2h: 4 MP LBCAST Nikon
D2x: 12 MP CMOS Sony (Nikon designed)
D3: 12 MP CMOS Nikon
D3s: 12 MP CMOS Nikon
D3x: 24 MP CMOS Sony
D4: 16 MP CMOS Nikon
D4s: 16 MP CMOS Nikon

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2015/12/16/list-of-all-nikon-dslr-cameras-and-their-sensor-manufacturerdesigner.aspx/#ixzz5tqQQPBV3

Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC

Chris T wrote:

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These are just personal examples but the same idea may apply. My choice of cameras is based their suitability. If I need a silent shutter, I do not use a reflex. If I need a perspective where I cannot look through the viewfinder, I use a camera with a tilting screen. If I am shooting in very low light, I may not use a small sensor and will use stabilization. If I need very tight manual focus, I prefer and EVF over OVF. Given the variety lenses you own, perhaps you would not mind keeping more than one body to cover any potential need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nffM4ulPDA

camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.

Mirrorless cameras are smaller, lighter and convenient. The image quality is excellent. Some of them have a better AF than others and some perform better in low light. Sony right now seems to be a very popular choice. Olympus and Panasonic have been doing very well. Fuji is not that far behind. The technology packed into these cameras is vastly superior to the technologies in dSLR bodies.

With that short introduction to mirrorless camera I think I have given you enough reasons to consider if a mirrorless body is the answer for you. Visit a camera store and try the different models in your hands. Look at the features of each particular model and see if one of them fits your photography style. I do not believe it could be any simpler than that.

Now, dSLR cameras have excellent AF and in most cases they are preferred for action and wildlife photography. The new models are outstanding when it comes to noise performance but how that performance compares to full frame mirrorless is something I cannot comment upon because I lack the experience of using mirrorless cameras with good noise control. I use Olympus cameras with Olympus and Panasonic lenses mainly for landscapes, portraits and family reunions but not for action or wildlife where my dSLR will be my choice.

You have to understand that quality wise mirrorless compete very favorably with dSLR bodies and if you travel often a mirrorless camera will prove to be lighter and convenient. As you know many professionals have embraced mirrorless cameras for their work.
If you are happy with what you have now my recommendation is not to buy a new camera. If you are confused go to a camera store and do what I suggested, ask questions, talk to photographers using mirrorless cameras and I am sure you will be in a better position to make a choice.
Even if you make a choice to buy a mirrorless camera keep your dSLR.

Kingman

lamiaceae wrote:

I have some experience with non-DSLR cameras. But I am not up on it to really give a discussion of pros and cons between DSLR and MILC yet. As everyone can see from my tag line I shoot Pentax, both film and digital, and large format film cameras. I also have a strange Fujifilm X-100T I bought for my wife. This Fuji is not exactly a MILC as it only has one lens, an attached 23mm on a APS-C sensor hybrid mirrorless but both electronic and optical rangefinder camera. The X-Pro2 is similar but takes changeable lenses. What I thought might be a simple digital EVF / OVF hybrid rangefinder I found was a really complex camera and beyond my wife's skill level. Mine pretty much as well. She actually seems to do well with my Pentax K-5 so I may give her that camera and then buy a used K5iis for myself. I'm also considering selling the odd but Leica-like cute X-100T and buying a Fuji X-E3 strictly MILC EVF, no rangefinder weirdness. I think I'd like a fuji 35mm lens for a X-E3 as well as a fuji 60mm Macro lens. With an adapter I can use all my Pentax lenses as well. I just now think the X-100T, X-100F and X-Pro2 are too much camera for us. So you can see I am open to MILC but just have not quite found my way yet. Oh, the X-100T (16MP) takes great images (though very different looking than my Pentax ones). I'd bet the X-100F (24MP) and other Fujifilm cameras are knockouts! Their sensors are not regular Bayer Array sensors and that give a more film-like look. That is my take on this so far. Nothing really to argue about.

Oddly Pentax had a APS-C MILC several years ago, the K-01 that used an everyday K-mount. But it seemed to only be available in the USA for a short time, though I think they may still be selling them in Japan. They do seem to be available used for a very reasonable price. But I never bought one years ago as they lack a lot of professional features and the sensor was no step up from the K-5 16MP one at the time. I wonder what Ricoh's plans are for Pentax MILC.

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While I am fully vested in Pentax APC and FF, I am seriously looking at Sony A7r and A7 mirrorless cameras to lighten my load somewhat with aging arthritic hands. With the Sony mirrorless system, I still can use my library of Pentax legacy lenses and decrease some weight. Maybe I am kidding myself about the weight reduction, but there seems to be a longer runway in products with Sony than with Ricoh. If I need a long AF lens for Pentax I have very limited choices but with the new offerings from Sony FE 200-600 they offer a great value proposition and a future direction.

olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida

Small form factor (physical size) is a very important factor for me. I find small cameras ungainly ( sounds counterintuitive, doesn't it? ), especially when they have larger and/or heavier lenses mounted. They don't balance right, don't fit my hands, cause me operational issues (cramp my finger/hand muscles during longer sessions) due to how I have to hold them. I do not have huge hands, but they fit bodies like the D7xxx series and a little larger very nicely, my hand and fingers are comfy, I reach all controls easily, a pleasure to hold and shoot with. Anything smaller only works for me for short sessions, with smaller lenses (for the balance part). Arm/hand/finger strength is not the issue, not a problem, in fact I often shoot right handed only even with bigger heavier lenses while moving through the jungle (or wherever) using my left for grabbing, holding, pushing/pulling aside brush, etc.

I got rid of a D3200 because it was not comfortable to shoot with for long periods, and have the same issue with my Sony A37/58. It isn't a "killer" for usage, but larger form factor just works better for me. A lot of the MILC's look like they would give me same issue. Someday when weight becomes a factor/issue, I may modify my stance, but for now larger size rules! No issues with performance, either system would work - DSLR or MILC, although I'd have to get a lot of new glass for MILC. My $.02