Canon DSLR recommendation (Page 7): Yes, Paul … and there are OTHER things, DW has just posted … Personally, I don't think the bru-ha-ha over the center point removal is such a big...

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

PHRubin wrote:

I didn't say whether or not it was a big deal, I answered your question as to what was deleted. That is 1 item.

Yes, Paul … and there are OTHER things, DW has just posted …

Personally, I don't think the bru-ha-ha over the center point removal is such a big deal.

The SL3 has a built-in flash - doesn't it?

And, of course - the cheapest Canon Speedlite is - what? … $170 (270 EX II) - so what's the diff?

dwmoar Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley

dwmoar wrote:

SL2 Features Compared to the SL3

ISO 100-25600 Expands to 51200          ISO 100-25600
NFC Connectivity                               No
DOF Preview Button                             No
Center pin hot shoe                            No
AF assist lamp                                 No
24fps on 1080p video                           No

I failed to mention the flash release button is missing on the SL3
The wifi button is also gone on the SL3 along with some of the creative modes have also been dropped from the selection mode dial such as the flash off.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

dwmoar wrote:

I failed to mention the flash release button is missing on the SL3
The wifi button is also gone on the SL3 along with some of the creative modes have also been dropped from the selection mode dial such as the flash off.

No longer can you shoot with the Flash Off engaged, huh?

That means - the built-in flash will pop up whenever you're using it in Full Auto, no matter what - huh?

And, of course - if you can't SELECT flash-off - there's no need to have a release button, anymore, either.

What other Creative Modes are missing from the SL3, DW?

RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia

Chris T wrote:

No longer can you shoot with the Flash Off engaged, huh?

That means - the built-in flash will pop up whenever you're using it in Full Auto, no matter what - huh?

And, of course - if you can't SELECT flash-off - there's no need to have a release button, anymore, either.

What other Creative Modes are missing from the SL3, DW?

For doing research, reading the instruction manual may help.
It can be found here (PDF file):

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/cameras/eos-dslr-and-mirrorless-cameras/dslr/eos-rebel-sl3-ef-s-18-55mm-is-stm-lens-kit/eos-rebel-sl3-ef-s-18-55mm-is-stm-lens-kit?tab=manuals

PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA

Chris T wrote:

Yes, Paul … and there are OTHER things, DW has just posted …

Personally, I don't think the bru-ha-ha over the center point removal is such a big deal.

The SL3 has a built-in flash - doesn't it?

And, of course - the cheapest Canon Speedlite is - what? … $170 (270 EX II) - so what's the diff?

To you, no big deal, to me a big deal. I take many photos of entertainers from my seat in the audience. I need a strong flash.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

PHRubin wrote:

To you, no big deal, to me a big deal. I take many photos of entertainers from my seat in the audience. I need a strong flash.

Paul - Canon Speedlites go up from that $170 270 EX II, to the $299 430EX III-RT to the $399 470EX AI to the highly touted 600EX II-RT - one of which should provide you plenty enough power for your application.

Yes, you can get cheaper Third Party alternatives, but w/o the Center Pin on the SL3, you WOULD be better off using the SL2, or another Canon model, if you wish to go that route.

I, personally, commend Canon's move, in this - as it prevents damage to their cameras, in the long run.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

RichardTaylor wrote:

For doing research, reading the instruction manual may help.
It can be found here (PDF file):

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/cameras/eos-dslr-and-mirrorless-cameras/dslr/eos-rebel-sl3-ef-s-18-55mm-is-stm-lens-kit/eos-rebel-sl3-ef-s-18-55mm-is-stm-lens-kit?tab=manuals

Oh, yes, Richard - well, thanks for this link. However, the Canon site seems to be more and more difficult every day, as we go further into the future. But, listen - I hardly think Canon's manual on the SL3 is going to admit to the Creative Modes they left OUT of the SL2, when they dreamed up the SLT-3 - now, do you?

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Chris T wrote:

Paul - Canon Speedlites go up from that $170 270 E... (show quote)

I use a Yongnuo yn600ex which is such a close clone of the Canon 600 that when I misplaced the instruction book once I was able to use the on-line manual for the Canon to figure things out.

RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia

Chris T wrote:

Oh, yes, Richard - well, thanks for this link. However, the Canon site seems to be more and more difficult every day, as we go further into the future. But, listen - I hardly think Canon's manual on the SL3 is going to admit to the Creative Modes they left OUT of the SL2, when they dreamed up the SLT-3 - now, do you?

I don't find the Canon site difficult to use.

Have you read both instruction manuals?
The creative modes are the same (P,Tv,Av and M)

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

robertjerl wrote:

I use a Yongnuo yn600ex which is such a close clone of the Canon 600 that when I misplaced the instruction book once I was able to use the on-line manual for the Canon to figure things out.

Jerry … yes, it is - almost an exact match, in fact … and at $110 - considerably cheaper than the Canon version, too … a mere fraction of the price, in fact. But, it cannot be used on either the new SL3, nor the new Rebel T7 - as the center pin was removed on both of these new models - making it impossible to use current Third Party flash-heads … and THAT's the conundrum in this particular discussion ….

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

RichardTaylor wrote:

I don't find the Canon site difficult to use.

Have you read both instruction manuals?
The creative modes are the same (P,Tv,Av and M)

Richard, not sure about this - but I suspect when YOU go to Canon, in Sydney - you are redirected to the English version of the Japanese site, since that one's so much closer to you. For ME - on Dial-Up - getting to CanonUSA - is an impossible task. It wasn't, always, as I bought my T3 direct from them, in August, 2011. But, since - it drops out, just about, all the time. … DW seemed to think there were OTHER Creative Modes, OTHER than the No Flash mode, which had also been removed. [See Above.]

Also, Richard - the Creative Modes - refers to Scenes, and to adjustment of the quality of JPEGs. The modes you mentioned - are just MODES - present on ALL current DSLRs, MILCs and other digital cameras.

RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia

Chris T wrote:

Richard, not sure about this - but I suspect when ... (show quote)

I didn't go to Canon, Sydney - Google took me to the USA site.
Check the link - that is to Canon USA.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Chris T wrote:

Jerry … yes, it is - almost an exact match, in fact … and at $110 - considerably cheaper than the Canon version, too … a mere fraction of the price, in fact. But, it cannot be used on either the new SL3, nor the new Rebel T7 - as the center pin was removed on both of these new models - making it impossible to use current Third Party flash-heads … and THAT's the conundrum in this particular discussion ….

Yes, I understand that. I think Canon is now and will get a LOT of grief from Canon users and if they are smart will put the pin back in future models. Better to sell a camera and have people use other brands of flash than to not sell a camera in the first place.
I hope they are not stupid enough to remove the pin on the 1 or 5 series, pros will be really ticked off that they can't use their very high end flashes and triggers from other companies.

It doesn't bother me, my wife or daughter as all our cameras have the full set of pins. But I still believe it is a mistake on the part of the people at Canon.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

RichardTaylor wrote:

I didn't go to Canon, Sydney - Google took me to the USA site.
Check the link - that is to Canon USA.

AS I already indicated, Richard - I suspect, when you GO TO the Canon USA site - you are automatically redirected to the ENGLISH version of the JAPANESE site - since you are so much closer to THAT ONE - there, in Sydney. And, I don't think you would have ANY WAY - of knowing, either ….

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

robertjerl wrote:

Yes, I understand that. I think Canon is now and ... (show quote)

I think Canon did that, to protect the Beginner, Jerry. Doubt very much they will remove it on all future models, though - we'll see. The 1Dx3 is in the pipeline, and I'm sure the 5D5 is on the sidelines. The 90D is already on the way out the door - according to the news from Taiwan about a new patent. Of course, that camera could also be - the 7D3 … but some seem to think that series (pro DXI) is being ended …