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Jun 18, 2019 13:44:48   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
dennis2146 wrote:
You say all of this while probably not realizing that while you were typing there was a mass shooting in Canada. You know, the Canada with strict gun laws that will keep everyone safe. Check the news in Toronto. You might be surprised at how easily a mass shooting can occur right in your own back yard. Now what??? Will you Canadians ban every single firearm for the actions of a couple of people. That's it, right, blame everyone for the actions of one or two people.

Dennis


Maybe Canada should outlaw Basketball.

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Jun 18, 2019 13:51:57   #
Angmo
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Thanks for the lesson. I am by no means a biblical scholar, so I looked things up. It appears that the numbering system as well as wording (t***slation) is not consistent.

I do not own a gun and have no desire to. My father, my father-in-law, and many of my friends own hunting rifles. I even went deer hunting with them, although my weapon of choice was a camera and a zoom lens. So I am not against people owning firearms. What I can’t get my head around is how many Americans truly believe they NEED a weapon for protection. I was at a US Walmart some time ago and saw two guys enter the store with holsters and handguns in clear view. I guess they wanted be sure they got the last roll of toilet paper that was on sale.

My real point is that fewer firearms issued under stricter and more sensible laws is the right direction. Does it not tell you something when you are the only country in the free world that still thinks like the cowboys of 150 years ago?
Thanks for the lesson. I am by no means a biblical... (show quote)


Take note you mentioned “FREE WORLD”

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Jun 18, 2019 15:48:31   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
dennis2146 wrote:
But these days some teachers are using their position of authority over children to make political statements that are not only not true but are pushing the Liberal narrative down the throats of students. One of these things is when teachers and school districts try to give students a narrative of Muslims being wonderful while having the kids visit mosques, dress as Muslims, pray as Muslims and so on. Do you agree with this? Do you think it appropriate? Why aren't students being taught about ALL religions including Catholic, Methodist, Hindu, Buddhist and so on? Why just Muslim? Do you not see this as indoctrination rather than education?

Dennis
But these days some teachers are using their posit... (show quote)

We should not be teaching any religion in public schools, if we don't allow prayer.

However, learning about other cultures is a very good thing for kids to be exposed to.

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Jun 18, 2019 15:59:11   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
dennis2146 wrote:
It isn't that no one cares. It is that in the Liberal world, your world, nobody takes the time to see there are differences. You are all too quick to judge everything the same when you really don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. You are trying to build on your f**e Liberal agenda. Guns are bad so gun owners must be bad, all gun owners must belong to the NRA which supports the 2nd Amendment so the NRA is bad also. you Liberals tell us the NRA is only wanting to sell guns but in fact the NRA sells nothing of the sort. It does not sell guns. It sells the idea of Freedom, something that you Liberals are only too happy to allow to be taken away.

Dennis
It isn't that no one cares. It is that in the Lib... (show quote)

Dennis, you have said so many things here that are not true for the Liberals that I know...granted I don't know every one of them.

IMHO, it is Conservatives who fail to see differences in people.
We have i*****l i*******ts who are bad guys so all immigrants are bad guys.

Conservatives seem to want everyone to be like them.
They, a gross generalization, don't want to listen to differing opinions.
Yes, there are Liberals who are like this as well.
Just look in the Attic and you can see both sides being very "unaccepting" every day.

Liberals arguments are to get guns out of the hands of crazy people who are likely to shoot up a bunch of innocent people.
One way to do that is to limit the number of guns out there.
Not a great idea, but we need to keep working on how to prevent crazy people from shooting up schools etc.
Do you not agree with this?

It's not that Liberals don't see differences....we see them in a different way than Conservatives.

To try to quite Thomas Friedman...."Liberals think the government is the solution to all our problems and Conservatives think the government is the cause of all our problems.
The problem is that neither is 100% correct.

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Jun 18, 2019 16:04:49   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Why would an ignorant liberal Canadian think his opinion has value in the US? Clean up his own mess in Canada before shooting of his mouth.

Because he is a human being who brings a different perspective that you don't want to hear.

It's not about Canada cleaning up their mess before they can talk about us....what nonsense.

This is MY problem with how people "argue" here.

I'm smart and you're stupid.
You have no right.

Are you always so darned sure that YOUR idea is the ONLY/BEST one?

To paraphrase Dewitt Jones....don't stop with the first right answer.

(My words) Someone may have a better answer you hadn't considered.

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Jun 18, 2019 19:21:29   #
Angmo
 
chrisscholbe wrote:
Dennis, you have said so many things here that are not true for the Liberals that I know...granted I don't know every one of them.

IMHO, it is Conservatives who fail to see differences in people.
We have i*****l i*******ts who are bad guys so all immigrants are bad guys.

Conservatives seem to want everyone to be like them.
They, a gross generalization, don't want to listen to differing opinions.
Yes, there are Liberals who are like this as well.
Just look in the Attic and you can see both sides being very "unaccepting" every day.

Liberals arguments are to get guns out of the hands of crazy people who are likely to shoot up a bunch of innocent people.
One way to do that is to limit the number of guns out there.
Not a great idea, but we need to keep working on how to prevent crazy people from shooting up schools etc.
Do you not agree with this?

It's not that Liberals don't see differences....we see them in a different way than Conservatives.

To try to quite Thomas Friedman...."Liberals think the government is the solution to all our problems and Conservatives think the government is the cause of all our problems.
The problem is that neither is 100% correct.
Dennis, you have said so many things here that are... (show quote)


Lefties lack in knowledge of conservatives. The post above proves that.

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Jun 18, 2019 20:09:30   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
chrisscholbe wrote:

IMHO, it is Conservatives who fail to see differences in people.
We have i*****l i*******ts who are bad guys so all immigrants are bad guys.


I don't know any Conservatives who think I*****l I*******ts are the same as legal ones. On the other hand, I do know more than a few Libs who work extremely hard to blur the line between the two groups and then pull the Ol' straw man argument........kinda like you just did in this statement.

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Jun 18, 2019 22:34:40   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
letmedance wrote:
Maybe Canada should outlaw Basketball.

OMG... a sore loser! Remember that basketball was invented by a Canadian, and hockey originated in Canada. You are welcome.

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Jun 18, 2019 22:36:25   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Wrangler wrote:
When I first started training horses, my father said, “Son, never get off a winning horse.” There was wisdom in his words and that wisdom covered more than horses.

You forgot to mention that we are still the most powerful and, judging from our legal and i*****l i*********n, the most desired country in the world.

And you have no idea how much I want that to remain the situation; hence my concern for where you are headed.

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Jun 18, 2019 22:44:43   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Cykdelic wrote:
The ONLY country?

Really?

Maybe you should read the charts.....

Those stats do not refute the point that the US is unique in its gun laws.

But should you believe that your laws put you in a better position, why is the US doing worse than Canada in both charts? Why is it that the US — with the best/right approach to gun laws — is NOT at the bottom of the list?

So, thanks for the evidence that supports my position!!

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Jun 18, 2019 22:48:41   #
btbg
 
Huey Driver wrote:
In my opinion one of the dumbest laws regarding guns that was ever proposed and v**ed in was no carry zones like the schools. History has proven that most mass shooters usually pick a place like that to do their k*****gs. You don't have to be an Einstein to understand why. That law should be repealed immediately.


I agree. When I was in school everybody had a rifle or shotgun in their gun rack in unlocked pickups. Teachers and students alike. We used to go out and look at other people's guns in the parking lot when someone got a new one. Teachers and students alike.

There was no problem. Then they started changing the rules and two years ago a kid at school here went hunting before first period and brought his gun to school in the trunk of his car. After school he threw his backpack in the trunk and someone saw the gun and turned him in.

Kicked out of school and charged with a felony when all he was doing was going hunting.

And like you said no gun laws just invite people to target those locations.

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Jun 18, 2019 22:51:58   #
EyeSawYou
 
JohnFrim wrote:
And you have no idea how much I want that to remain the situation; hence my concern for where you are headed.


It's too bad that Canadians are only good at very few things, hockey is one of them...not much else. The Montreal Canadians and Toronto Maple Leafs won more NHL Stanley Cups than any team in the Cups history, they just haven't been able to win very much the past couple of decades. Of course it's probably more due to being outnumbered than being sk**lful, Canadians are very sk**lful hockey players.

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Jun 18, 2019 23:01:09   #
btbg
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Thanks for the lesson. I am by no means a biblical scholar, so I looked things up. It appears that the numbering system as well as wording (t***slation) is not consistent.

I do not own a gun and have no desire to. My father, my father-in-law, and many of my friends own hunting rifles. I even went deer hunting with them, although my weapon of choice was a camera and a zoom lens. So I am not against people owning firearms. What I can’t get my head around is how many Americans truly believe they NEED a weapon for protection. I was at a US Walmart some time ago and saw two guys enter the store with holsters and handguns in clear view. I guess they wanted be sure they got the last roll of toilet paper that was on sale.

My real point is that fewer firearms issued under stricter and more sensible laws is the right direction. Does it not tell you something when you are the only country in the free world that still thinks like the cowboys of 150 years ago?
Thanks for the lesson. I am by no means a biblical... (show quote)


Actually we aren't. Switzerland has a higher rate of gun ownership than the United States. And if you actually look at the gun death statistics in the U.S. 60 percent are suicides, so should not be part of the discussion since they would just commit a suicide some other way. 34 percent more are gang violence and there would be gang violence with or without guns. The problem there is enforcement of current laws. Felons aren't allowed to own guns so if that one law was enforced it would end a lot of problems.

And fewer guns does not stop violence. They had two k**led and two more shot in Toronto while the Raptors were having their victory celebration and in case you don't know they have much more strict gun laws than the U.S.

Last year both France and Great Britain had mass murders using trucks. What the gun control advocates don't get is that if someone wants to k**l people they will k**l people. We need to address mental health issues and we need to do a better job of catching terrorists of all kinds before they actually act. We do not need to alter the second amendment.

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Jun 18, 2019 23:05:08   #
btbg
 
Cykdelic wrote:
The ONLY country?

Really?

Maybe you should read the charts.....


Kind if telling isn't it since many of those countries that are ahead of the U.S. have strict gun control.

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Jun 18, 2019 23:12:42   #
btbg
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Those stats do not refute the point that the US is unique in its gun laws.

But should you believe that your laws put you in a better position, why is the US doing worse than Canada in both charts? Why is it that the US — with the best/right approach to gun laws — is NOT at the bottom of the list?

So, thanks for the evidence that supports my position!!


Actually I think that is easy to answer. The vast majority of gun violence takes place in inner cities. The U.S. has far more people in inner cities and far more people total. If you look at the gun violence charts the majority of countries with high homicide stats are either very unstable countries or countries with a high percentage of urban poor.

Poverty has a lot more to do with gun violence than the gun laws. And by the way most of the U.S. gun homicides take place in cities that have extremely strict gun control laws, while the low homicide portions of the U.S. tend to have high rates of legal gun ownership.

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