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Jun 19, 2019 23:32:21   #
Angmo
 
National Park wrote:
I don’t want my kid to be in a classroom with an armed teacher. He has a greater chance of being accidentally shot by the teacher’s weapon than being shot by some crackpot. Yes, accidents do happen.


An untrained uneducated teacher should not own firearms.

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Jun 20, 2019 00:40:39   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
btbg wrote:
Trump is the only Republican choice that we have for several reasons. The first is that historically people do not challenge an incumbent president in a primary. The second is that Trump has done a great job with the economy and with attempting to get tariffs world wide into balance. People have been taking advantage of the U.S. when it comes to trade for far too long. Show me another candidate who is strong on the economy and has a record on trade? There isn't another choice. Third, whoever runs as a Republican needs to be able to defeat the liberal candidate. If you look at recent previous Republican candidates they may be p**********l and nice, but they are unelectable. You may well want someone other than Trump. I also would rather have had someone more p**********l, but Trump has done what he said he would do. Bush did not do that. You say you would rather have anyone other than Trump. However, from a conservative point of view we either reelect Trump or we watch our country go down the toilet. Obama did irreparable harm to our nation, harm to the extent that it may still be too late to reverse it. At least Trump is trying to fix the problems that previous administrations caused.

You have said that bringing up Obama is irrelevant because he is no longer president. However, you are unfortunately mistaken. It was Obama and what he did that led to Trump being elected. It was Obama that divided the nation, not Trump. And unfortunately we have polarized to the extent that it is either or, there is no place to compromise. Some of us want smaller government. Others want a nanny state. As nice as it would be to find middle ground the middle ground is more government and has been for my entire life. I and others like me want less government intrusion not more. Trump has been rolling back burdensome regulations more than any president in recent history. That is a good thing. Trump actually understands rural America. Previous presidents have ignored us. Trump believes in America. Obama h**ed America and his wife even acknowledged that saying that the first time she was ever proud of our country was when he was elected president.

We have a bunch of hypocrites in politics today. The same people who said we needed a wall on the southern border 30 years ago and even v**ed to build one are the same people who are trying to stop the wall now. The same people who said that we need immigration reform are the ones who are refusing to even discuss it. We have been lied to by politicians for years and when one finally says what we have been thinking the rest of the world doesn't seem to be able to handle it. I didn't v**e for Trump before, but I will this time as will my friends.

You say Trump is d******e, but when someone wears a Make America Great Again hat in public it isn't Trump who divides us, it's those who attack you for the hat you are wearing. It happens repeatedly and yet the left still insists that it is Trump who is d******e and uncouth.

Yes Trump is crass. Yes Trump insults others. Mostly he just responds to what others do to him first. Doesn't justify some of what he does, but for years Republicans have refused to fight back when they have been attacked and look at where that has gotten us. At least Trump stands up for what he says he believes.
Trump is the only Republican choice that we have f... (show quote)

For brevity, I will only address a few of your points, and will only do it briefly.

On the economy: There are many who believe that the economy has been on an upward slope for over 10 years now (since the recession of 2008/09) and they would argue that the economy has kept on improving not because of Trump, but rather despite Trump. The economies around the world have all improved, and Trump had nothing to do with those.

On trade and tariffs: I won't argue the merits of looking for a better deal for the US in trade talks, but Trump's approach has been bullish. I assume you remember the "special place in hell" comment from Navarro regarding Trudeau for raising tariffs on US goods in response to Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum from Canada. But, oh yeah, Trump said his tariffs were in response to Canadian tariffs on dairy of 270%. I don't know who started it all, nor who is right or wrong; but I do know that using such language is VERY POOR DIPLOMACY. It is... well, Trumpian.

On keeping promises: Note: these are not exact quotes, but they are the essence of Trump's promises.
"We will have a beautiful new health care system on Day 1." Not even close!!!!! Not even today!!!!
"We will build a big beautiful wall" (of concrete, if I recall) "and Mexico will pay for it." What was he smoking? Mexico came right out and said they would never pay for the wall.
"We will hire nothing but the best people into the White House." Biggest/fastest turnover of any administration to date. Not only that, many of these "best" people that Trump praised when hired were not just pushed out, but rather given a kick in the ass with name calling by Trump.

On Trump trying to fix Obama's mistakes: Trump blames the border situation (arrests, separations, etc) on Obama, saying he is simply trying to enforce the law, but he is receiving a lot of flak for the separation actions. It is quite unbelievable to me that there appears to be no tracking system in place to enable kids to find their parents again. He has had over 2 years to change that cruel law, but has done nothing about it.

Rolling back regulations is a good thing: I guess you deny the effects of CO2 on climate, and of pollution on health. In his Orlando rally he said the US has the cleanest air ever right now; in fact, air quality has been on a downslide for about 2 years now. Sure, deregulation makes it easier for big business to reap big profits, but that is NOT good for society in general. This is just one small example of Trump catering to his rich friends and showing disdain for America as a whole. And don't bother with the argument that other countries around the world are still polluting; why not set an example and lead in the fight!!!

And as for Trump being the only person who can do this... what a crock! You have 350 million people down there!!! Most of the world was blown away when Trump and Hillary rose to the top. Really... out of all your population, these were the two best? They were both terrible choices!!! And a good chunk of Trump v**es came from Hillary h**ers because they knew her, but they did not know Trump (in politics). He now has a record behind him (I know, you think it is all good) and it really will be interesting to see if your nation stands behind him in 2020.

Good luck... seriously. I wish America a better future than what we have seen for the last while, be that just over 2 years, or 10 years, or 18 years, or wh**ever.

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Jun 20, 2019 01:33:15   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
JohnFrim wrote:
You have 350 million people down there!!! Most of the world was blown away when Trump and Hillary rose to the top. Really... out of all your population, these were the two best? They were both terrible choices!!! And a good chunk of Trump v**es came from Hillary h**ers because they knew her, but they did not know Trump (in politics). He now has a record behind him (I know, you think it is all good) and it really will be interesting to see if your nation stands behind him in 2020.



LOL, Hillary rose to the top only because the Dem Party Leadership r****d their Primary for her, and that fact also probably helped her lose--a great many Bernie supporters, as well as other Dems, were so upset upon learning how the Dem Party screwed Bernie out of a f**r e******n that they didn't v**e for Hillary in the General.

It was just the opposite in Trump's case. The Repubs threw everything they had at him, and he still walked right over all of their other challengers.

By the way, seeing how much you love Trump, you must also be a huge Doug Ford supporter.

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Jun 20, 2019 01:52:11   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
WNYShooter wrote:
LOL, Hillary rose to the top only because the Dem Party Leadership r****d their Primary for her, and that fact also probably helped her lose--a great many Bernie supporters were so upset upon learning how the Dem Party screwed Bernie out of a f**r e******n that they didn't v**e for Hillary in the General.

It was just the opposite in Trump's case. The Repubs threw everything they had at him, and he still walked right over all of their other challengers.

By the way, seeing how much you love Trump, you must also be a huge Doug Ford supporter.
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I know that many Americans balk at Bernie's socialist agenda, but I think he would have been a better leader than Hillary. Who knows, he might make it through this time around.

Doug Ford??? Who is he??? (See how much I care about "politics"?)

Before you jump on me... I'M KIDDING!!! I know Rob Ford was a loose cannon, and Doug is probably not much different. He is doing a few stupid things as well, like cutting back on renewable energy programs. Luckily I got my solar system installed and contracted for 20 years before he came to power. Of course, if he is like Trump, he can cancel that contract as well; then I will be upset.

But Canadian politics at any level is pretty boring in comparison to the world's most popular reality TV show south of the (Canadian) border. And in some ways I think that is exactly how Trump is treating his presidency.

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Jun 20, 2019 07:30:06   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
btbg wrote:
What you don't seem to be recognizing is that it is either Trump or a Democratic socialist. We don't need democratic socialists in control. We don't need the Green New Deal, which saves the world, only it doesn't it would only destroy the U.S. economy. We could lower our carbon footprint to zero and the world carbon emissions would still be going up.

The people running against Trump want the destruction of the U.S. So it is either Trump or them. I don't like everything that Trump says, but I would sure as heck have a patriot that puts the U.S. first than someone who wants to destroy our country like the 23 democratic candidates for president do.
What you don't seem to be recognizing is that it i... (show quote)


he doesn't understand that & doesn't WANT to understand that...he is just a pathological h**er who can't see his own problems.....

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Jun 20, 2019 09:38:11   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Dennis, we could go on and on and never agree on anything. My disdain for Trump is not that he is not like Trudeau or Obama; it is because he is not a nice man. That's it. That's all.

And pointing out what others do or have not done compared to Trump does not justify Trump's manners or behaviours. He c***ted people in his business dealings. Oh yeah, you need proof: Trump Tower in Toronto went bankrupt at a time when 400 similar projects were all making money; but The Donald walked away from that project with over $30M in his pocket. He is legendary for not paying his contractors what he agreed to in contracts. The only thing that matters is that he wins and the other person loses; there is never a win/win compromise. And the way he ran his businesses is the way he is trying to run the government.

You have raised so many items that I would love to debate with you, but I am getting tired, as I am sure are you, and so are the followers of this thread (anyone else besides wilpharm, Elaine and Angmo out there?). Let's drop it for awhile and butt heads again at another time in another place. TTYL. O+O. Good night, y'all (I lived in Tennessee for awhile, too).
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Not a nice man according to who, you, a group of Democrats who are STILL pissed off at Trump winning the e******n that they now look to impeach/imprison him, refuse to work with him, literally persecute him and his family on a daily basis. Put yourself in President Trump's shoes for just a moment. Try to think of the ridicule he and his family have endured, more than any other President and that is a fact. Everyone of his staff members have been ridiculed as well. Take a look at Sarah Sanders. She is quite literally one of the best press secretaries I have seen and yet CNN takes her to task daily, asking her the same ridiculous questions just to put her or President Trump on the spot. Yes I know the press have a right to ask questions. But this is way past that point. She will happily answer all questions from reporters and has done so in grand fashion. But many news agencies will lie to get their Liberal agenda across.

Just today on my news I saw where the Orlando Sentinel had a story stating, An hour before the trump rally there were no long lines and plenty of seating inside. Of course that was a total lie as the building was packed with thousands of Trump supporters. So tell me John, do you also subscribe to the lying press routine? Do you tend to believe everything the Liberal press tells you even though they are often lying through their teeth.

Let me see here. I am guessing you don't like Trump because he c***ted on his wife, said he liked to fondle women (in a video) used locker room talk, uses language that other Presidents may not use (in public that is) and so on. What else? Oh yes, he is said to be r****t because he does not like i*****l a***ns coming across our borders by the thousands and because 50 or more years ago he owned apartment buildings in NYC and is said to have something derogatory against b****s. Isn't it just like you Liberals to hold a grudge against a Conservative until the End of Days, yet forgive Liberals for everything since they, are just human. Keep in mind that Trump did none of these things while in office. He did none of these things recently before taking office. You Liberals tend to forgive and forget Robert Byrd, Bill Clinton (who would STILL screw anything wearing a skirt even a 57 Chevy), Ted Kennedy who was the supreme MA Commander for alcoholism and screwing anything moving. Don't forget it was Teddy who allowed a woman to drown in 4 feet of water and then lied about it afterward. Yet I ask you to ask yourself in front of a mirror if you respect these people.

I v**ed for Trump because he took our economy, as a business man, from 2% growth to 3.6% growth. We currently have more jobs than workers to fill them, world leaders, opposite of what you and Liberals tell us, are starting to come around to President Trump. Remember though that he can be tough on those leaders, such as maybe yours, who try to still have the United States pay more in tariffs than we should. Sure they are against Trump because he is trying to right a wrong from over 50 years ago. That does not mean they do not respect him.

Every Big Business with Deep Pockets seems to have its detractors. Of course Trump has people who have sued him. Some have won and many have lost. That does not make him a crook. Perhaps you are assuming the people who sued him are totally right and Trump is totally wrong. I am not saying he is always right but he sure as hell is not always wrong either. He is in the business to make money and he is good at it.

You needn't answer. I read your post and you are tired. Not a problem.

Dennis

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Jun 20, 2019 10:30:11   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Dennis, I will respond to a few of your points.

Sarah Sanders being one of the best press secretaries? She lied... repeatedly. She even admitted that to Mueller. Trump also lied from Day1, and so did Sean Spicer. Does it matter that the crowd size was exaggerated? No, it's a trivial matter... but it was a lie. So are Trump's many many false statements (recent: the air today is NOT the cleanest it has ever been). It is not the substance of the lie, but the fact of lying itself that matters. You may not even agree that he has lied or made false claims nearly 11,000 times so far. What is your acceptable standard for lies... would you say he lied maybe 5000 times, or only 1000 times; will you give him 30,000 by the time he is done being president? For me and many who feel like I do, we may not be able to put a threshold on it, but nearly 11,000 is WAY over the limit for calling him an honest person.

You said in an earlier post that Trump has done nothing illegal. Is that the new behavioural standard for a president? I would think Americans want their children to have role models, and who better than the President of the United States. Would you really hold him up as an example of what your children should aspire to as a decent human being? It's OK to treat people badly as long as it is not illegal? Where are the moral and ethical standards that should be examples to your children. He does not posses those qualities. And yes, that includes the c***ting on the wife, fondling women, and using vulgar locker room talk. Just look at how he handled all of that -- first he justified it, and then denied that it ever happened. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Lots of people screw around, politicians included, but surely one would like a better role model as your top man. I would actually respect him more if he would own up to these behaviours and apologize; but backing down or admitting defeat (i.e., admitting he is not perfect) is beneath him. I think he truly believes that now that he is at the pinnacle of the world he must be just below God himself. And for me, comparisons such as Robert Byrd, Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Hillary, etc all behaved badly too just don't cut it... no, I do not respect them for what they did. And if they did anything wrong/illegal they should be locked up no matter who they are.

You folks keep bringing up that Trump has achieved results. Good for him, and good for you. But there has to be another republican who can do the same, except do it with dignity, respect, diplomacy and class. If not, I guess you really have found the person just below God.

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Jun 20, 2019 12:01:34   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Dennis, we could go on and on and never agree on anything. My disdain for Trump is not that he is not like Trudeau or Obama; it is because he is not a nice man. That's it. That's all.

And pointing out what others do or have not done compared to Trump does not justify Trump's manners or behaviours. He c***ted people in his business dealings. Oh yeah, you need proof: Trump Tower in Toronto went bankrupt at a time when 400 similar projects were all making money; but The Donald walked away from that project with over $30M in his pocket. He is legendary for not paying his contractors what he agreed to in contracts. The only thing that matters is that he wins and the other person loses; there is never a win/win compromise. And the way he ran his businesses is the way he is trying to run the government.

You have raised so many items that I would love to debate with you, but I am getting tired, as I am sure are you, and so are the followers of this thread (anyone else besides wilpharm, Elaine and Angmo out there?). Let's drop it for awhile and butt heads again at another time in another place. TTYL. O+O. Good night, y'all (I lived in Tennessee for awhile, too).
Dennis, we could go on and on and never agree on a... (show quote)


Right or wrong, you are displaying your ignorance of real estate investing.... each project tends to be its own “company” and as such one can fail while one next door, so to speak, thrives.

As for paying contractors, the same same ignorance applies. Have you ever managed a large scale building project? I have, and it’s an ongoing game of the payee trying to cut corners, save more money, not delivering as contracted, etc., all while ask8mg for more and more money while the payer is trying to also save money while making sure the project comes in as contracted and safe.

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Jun 20, 2019 12:02:50   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
JohnFrim wrote:
OMG, I am trying to stay out of it now, but I got a polite response, so here is a polite reply...

WHY is Trump the ONLY republican choice you have? If you go back to the 2016 campaign you had a lot of people putting Trump down, and quite nastily (Lindsey Graham called him a kook, and that was mild). Somehow he rose to the top (I believe almost as a joke... "Yeah, I'll v**e for him, 'cause he'll never get in anyway.") and now you have no one with the balls or backbone to challenge him. Why is that? Mostly because of the consequences of going up against a bully like Trump. He has everyone in the party running scared... but I guess that is a good way to lead, right? Really? Remember that most of the world agrees that reward or punishment can achieve the same behavioural outcome, but reward is the better path.

So, yet again I will say... republicans or democrats in power does not matter to me; JUST NOT TRUMP! Find a decent human being who can be respected by all citizens (well, obviously not all, but you get my gist) and put him up as a republican candidate for president. THAT would Make America Great Again.
OMG, I am trying to stay out of it now, but I got ... (show quote)


Seriously, my Canadian and not American friend........please name an American high-profile politician that was not a bully.

Please don’t say Obama as he was an excellent bully.

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Jun 20, 2019 12:03:29   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
National Park wrote:
I don’t want my kid to be in a classroom with an armed teacher. He has a greater chance of being accidentally shot by the teacher’s weapon than being shot by some crackpot. Yes, accidents do happen.


Really? Can you show us that math (please ensure it’s based in reality and not emotion)?

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Jun 20, 2019 12:04:16   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
btbg wrote:
Trump is the only Republican choice that we have for several reasons. The first is that historically people do not challenge an incumbent president in a primary. The second is that Trump has done a great job with the economy and with attempting to get tariffs world wide into balance. People have been taking advantage of the U.S. when it comes to trade for far too long. Show me another candidate who is strong on the economy and has a record on trade? There isn't another choice. Third, whoever runs as a Republican needs to be able to defeat the liberal candidate. If you look at recent previous Republican candidates they may be p**********l and nice, but they are unelectable. You may well want someone other than Trump. I also would rather have had someone more p**********l, but Trump has done what he said he would do. Bush did not do that. You say you would rather have anyone other than Trump. However, from a conservative point of view we either reelect Trump or we watch our country go down the toilet. Obama did irreparable harm to our nation, harm to the extent that it may still be too late to reverse it. At least Trump is trying to fix the problems that previous administrations caused.

You have said that bringing up Obama is irrelevant because he is no longer president. However, you are unfortunately mistaken. It was Obama and what he did that led to Trump being elected. It was Obama that divided the nation, not Trump. And unfortunately we have polarized to the extent that it is either or, there is no place to compromise. Some of us want smaller government. Others want a nanny state. As nice as it would be to find middle ground the middle ground is more government and has been for my entire life. I and others like me want less government intrusion not more. Trump has been rolling back burdensome regulations more than any president in recent history. That is a good thing. Trump actually understands rural America. Previous presidents have ignored us. Trump believes in America. Obama h**ed America and his wife even acknowledged that saying that the first time she was ever proud of our country was when he was elected president.

We have a bunch of hypocrites in politics today. The same people who said we needed a wall on the southern border 30 years ago and even v**ed to build one are the same people who are trying to stop the wall now. The same people who said that we need immigration reform are the ones who are refusing to even discuss it. We have been lied to by politicians for years and when one finally says what we have been thinking the rest of the world doesn't seem to be able to handle it. I didn't v**e for Trump before, but I will this time as will my friends.

You say Trump is d******e, but when someone wears a Make America Great Again hat in public it isn't Trump who divides us, it's those who attack you for the hat you are wearing. It happens repeatedly and yet the left still insists that it is Trump who is d******e and uncouth.

Yes Trump is crass. Yes Trump insults others. Mostly he just responds to what others do to him first. Doesn't justify some of what he does, but for years Republicans have refused to fight back when they have been attacked and look at where that has gotten us. At least Trump stands up for what he says he believes.
Trump is the only Republican choice that we have f... (show quote)


OUTSTANDING POST! 😎👍🙏

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Jun 20, 2019 12:06:51   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Angmo wrote:
An untrained uneducated teacher should not own firearms.


I think we all agree and that’s the program being submitted.....it’s the f*****t progressives who only want guns eliminated that are trying to restate the argument to one of forcing untrained, teachers to be armed!

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Jun 20, 2019 12:23:29   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
JohnFrim wrote:
For brevity, I will only address a few of your points, and will only do it briefly.

On the economy: There are many who believe that the economy has been on an upward slope for over 10 years now (since the recession of 2008/09) and they would argue that the economy has kept on improving not because of Trump, but rather despite Trump. The economies around the world have all improved, and Trump had nothing to do with those.

On trade and tariffs: I won't argue the merits of looking for a better deal for the US in trade talks, but Trump's approach has been bullish. I assume you remember the "special place in hell" comment from Navarro regarding Trudeau for raising tariffs on US goods in response to Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum from Canada. But, oh yeah, Trump said his tariffs were in response to Canadian tariffs on dairy of 270%. I don't know who started it all, nor who is right or wrong; but I do know that using such language is VERY POOR DIPLOMACY. It is... well, Trumpian.

On keeping promises: Note: these are not exact quotes, but they are the essence of Trump's promises.
"We will have a beautiful new health care system on Day 1." Not even close!!!!! Not even today!!!!
"We will build a big beautiful wall" (of concrete, if I recall) "and Mexico will pay for it." What was he smoking? Mexico came right out and said they would never pay for the wall.
"We will hire nothing but the best people into the White House." Biggest/fastest turnover of any administration to date. Not only that, many of these "best" people that Trump praised when hired were not just pushed out, but rather given a kick in the ass with name calling by Trump.

On Trump trying to fix Obama's mistakes: Trump blames the border situation (arrests, separations, etc) on Obama, saying he is simply trying to enforce the law, but he is receiving a lot of flak for the separation actions. It is quite unbelievable to me that there appears to be no tracking system in place to enable kids to find their parents again. He has had over 2 years to change that cruel law, but has done nothing about it.

Rolling back regulations is a good thing: I guess you deny the effects of CO2 on climate, and of pollution on health. In his Orlando rally he said the US has the cleanest air ever right now; in fact, air quality has been on a downslide for about 2 years now. Sure, deregulation makes it easier for big business to reap big profits, but that is NOT good for society in general. This is just one small example of Trump catering to his rich friends and showing disdain for America as a whole. And don't bother with the argument that other countries around the world are still polluting; why not set an example and lead in the fight!!!

And as for Trump being the only person who can do this... what a crock! You have 350 million people down there!!! Most of the world was blown away when Trump and Hillary rose to the top. Really... out of all your population, these were the two best? They were both terrible choices!!! And a good chunk of Trump v**es came from Hillary h**ers because they knew her, but they did not know Trump (in politics). He now has a record behind him (I know, you think it is all good) and it really will be interesting to see if your nation stands behind him in 2020.

Good luck... seriously. I wish America a better future than what we have seen for the last while, be that just over 2 years, or 10 years, or 18 years, or wh**ever.
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Let’s start with he’s only been president for 28 months (not that long...it only seems longer!):

The economy:
Yes, after what was almost a complete meltdown of the U.S. financing system and the world economy our economy was steadily on a low upslope...and then it flattened out until Trump dropped taxes and, most importantly, started the arduous process of getting incredibly stupid and voluminous rules, etc., off the books. The economies around the world are certainly NOT improving...better check your data.

Tariffs, etc.:
Yes, Trump’s approach is bullish because that’s what the U.S. needs after 25 years of bending over for the rest of the world and letting them violate existing treaties, steal our IP and jobs, etc. It was finally go time!

Promises:
Actually if you do some research and find Trump’s list of campaign promises you will find he is doing an outstanding job at meeting them...that’s what really frustrates our D.C. swamp! The smallness of John McCain screwed up the chances of a new health system, and the wall IS going up! Is Mexico paying for it? Somewhat, they are....just look at the money the are spending as we speak to keep i*****l i*******ts from going through Mexico to get here. Also read the USMCA and compare it to NAFTA....you will say this doesn’t matter, but I don’t recall him ever saying Mexico would write a check.

Fixing Obama’s mistakes:
This would take too long to intelligently discuss, but as for your example.....yes, he IS taking flak from the left and the media for the same separation actions they hid u dear Obama. Our i*********n l*ws are crap, everyone knows they are crap, but our Democrat party AND the never-trumpets will not do anything to fix them while he is president.

Rules & regs:
Sorry, son.....the U.S. is the WORLDS largest reforester AND the world’s LEADER in reducing CO2 emissions (see chart, below), so the U.S. is setting an example and leading the world in this effort, we just didn’t join loser efforts like Kyoto and the Paris Accord, both of which were fun for virtue signaling but are useless in actually getting results.

There’s that word again.....results!

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Jun 20, 2019 12:26:48   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Dennis, I will respond to a few of your points.

Sarah Sanders being one of the best press secretaries? She lied... repeatedly. She even admitted that to Mueller. Trump also lied from Day1, and so did Sean Spicer. Does it matter that the crowd size was exaggerated? No, it's a trivial matter... but it was a lie. So are Trump's many many false statements (recent: the air today is NOT the cleanest it has ever been). It is not the substance of the lie, but the fact of lying itself that matters. You may not even agree that he has lied or made false claims nearly 11,000 times so far. What is your acceptable standard for lies... would you say he lied maybe 5000 times, or only 1000 times; will you give him 30,000 by the time he is done being president? For me and many who feel like I do, we may not be able to put a threshold on it, but nearly 11,000 is WAY over the limit for calling him an honest person.

You said in an earlier post that Trump has done nothing illegal. Is that the new behavioural standard for a president? I would think Americans want their children to have role models, and who better than the President of the United States. Would you really hold him up as an example of what your children should aspire to as a decent human being? It's OK to treat people badly as long as it is not illegal? Where are the moral and ethical standards that should be examples to your children. He does not posses those qualities. And yes, that includes the c***ting on the wife, fondling women, and using vulgar locker room talk. Just look at how he handled all of that -- first he justified it, and then denied that it ever happened. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Lots of people screw around, politicians included, but surely one would like a better role model as your top man. I would actually respect him more if he would own up to these behaviours and apologize; but backing down or admitting defeat (i.e., admitting he is not perfect) is beneath him. I think he truly believes that now that he is at the pinnacle of the world he must be just below God himself. And for me, comparisons such as Robert Byrd, Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Hillary, etc all behaved badly too just don't cut it... no, I do not respect them for what they did. And if they did anything wrong/illegal they should be locked up no matter who they are.

You folks keep bringing up that Trump has achieved results. Good for him, and good for you. But there has to be another republican who can do the same, except do it with dignity, respect, diplomacy and class. If not, I guess you really have found the person just below God.
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I don't deny that Trump has lied. Never have. But his lies are more like exaggerations than outright lies, similar to a barker in a circus. So he lied about air quality. Actually our air quality is pretty darn good right now. Whether or not it is REALLY the best ever, who knows. I have not looked at some type of air quality report, have you. I know I am pretty happy with it and I am 100 miles North of Los Angeles. I recall the air quality of LA back in the 60's. My eyes teared up every day and visibility was severely limited. Yes I know this is years ago but my point is your comments on this and other, "lies", are insignificant compared to the overall economy that President Trump has provided. It really is the best it has been in several years, some say back to 1969. Would you rather have a growing robust economy or would you rather have a more polished politician who will give us an economy where people are not getting honest wages, are unemployed and with a growth of 2%. I will take the growing economy.

Yes, Trump could be a bit more P**********l. But Conservatives look at an honest picture of our politics. If you looked honestly at our past and present politicians you would find, on BOTH sides of the aisle, numerous complaints that Congress has paid out millions of dollars to silence those who have been sexually harassed, at a minimum. Check out the Virginia Democratic Governor's office, two r****t Democrats and one who has been openly accused of rape by two different women. But do the Democrats push for an investigation as they did Roy Moore and Justice Kavanaugh when the charges were far less than rape? Nope, it is all pushed under the rug as if nothing happened here. Take a good look at Bill Clinton's exploits in the Oval Office. Check out numerous Democratic politicians and you will find a sample of Democrats just like Trump or worse. Yet you seem to support them but not Trump. Trump is a business man who is successful at making America economically sound. I know of nobody who would do that on the Republican side or the Democratic side. I will take his loud mouth and, you say, shady PAST, compared to a polished politician who s**ts on, We the People.

You still have not given any evidence at all that Trump has done illegal things. Yet like all Liberals you have no proof other than your gut feelings. You also seem to forgive and forget Democratic wrongdoers but still hold Trump responsible for everything he has ever said or done. I will be right here.

You my friend are a typical Liberal hypocrite,

Dennis

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Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I know that many Americans balk at Bernie's socialist agenda, but I think he would have been a better leader than Hillary. Who knows, he might make it through this time around.

Doug Ford??? Who is he??? (See how much I care about "politics"?)

Before you jump on me... I'M KIDDING!!! I know Rob Ford was a loose cannon, and Doug is probably not much different. He is doing a few stupid things as well, like cutting back on renewable energy programs. Luckily I got my solar system installed and contracted for 20 years before he came to power. Of course, if he is like Trump, he can cancel that contract as well; then I will be upset.

But Canadian politics at any level is pretty boring in comparison to the world's most popular reality TV show south of the (Canadian) border. And in some ways I think that is exactly how Trump is treating his presidency.
I know that many Americans balk at Bernie's social... (show quote)



Canadian politics is boring? I infer that as meaning straight, narrow, no graft, no corruption, etc. You guys
Have Numerous current corruption investigations raising concern about corruption, illegal financing, and kickbacks in the construction sector and in public procurement.

Hey, how about that crazy Ottawa?


That’s either naive or a deliberate lie. I direct you to....

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/2016-year-in-review-4-canadian-political-scandals-1.3197014

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_scandals_in_Canada

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