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Jun 11, 2019 16:10:36   #
donie95 Loc: Staten Island NY
 
lev29 wrote:
I believe you need to clarify for yourself, if not for the Hog, which of the following criteria are important to you:
A. Full Frame vs APS-C vs micro 4/3rds
B. Image Stabilization built in to the camera or the lenses or neither
C. Selection of available lenses. This can be a bit quirky; for instance, Sigma makes Primes but NO Zoom lenses for the Sony E-mount.


Full frame is not important at all. I would like good video with a lighter lens line up and lighter body

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Jun 11, 2019 16:15:51   #
PierreD
 
pdsilen wrote:
I would wait a couple of years before buying a mirror less camera. Here's why. First, like any new product on the market, be it electronic gadgets, cars, or appliances, no matter how much R&D goes into it before marketing there are going to be bug. Wait until the bugs get worked out and then you'll be likely to have a better product. Secondly, The very high prices that these new cameras cost, you're paying for R&D and promotion. When those costs are taken care of the prices will drop. Case in point flat screen televisions. That cost about half as much today as they did when they first hit the market.
I would wait a couple of years before buying a mir... (show quote)


I am not sure many photographers these days would agree that mirrorless cameras are "new" products. They've been around for long enough that manufacturers had ample opportunities to correct bugs and improve product quality. These cameras will, of course, continue to mature (if nothing else, to remain competitive) and this will hopefully be associated with a decrease in price - which in fact is often already less than that of equivalent FF models - as new technologies come up. But describing them as "new products" is just no longer appropriate.

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Jun 11, 2019 16:21:13   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
PierreD wrote:
I am not sure many photographers these days would agree that mirrorless cameras are "new" products. They've been around for long enough that manufacturers had ample opportunities to correct bugs and improve product quality. These cameras will, of course, continue to mature (if nothing else, to remain competitive) and this will hopefully be associated with a decrease in price - which in fact is often already less than that of equivalent FF models - as new technologies come up. But describing them as "new products" is just no longer appropriate.
I am not sure many photographers these days would ... (show quote)


There are people still waiting for the bugs to be worked out of home computers. If everybody waits there will never be any progress.

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Jun 11, 2019 16:28:28   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
I bought a Sony NEX-5 on close-out with a kit lens which I found adequate but I added a Sony 18-200 zoom for reach. I also have Nikon D850 and D800e for my DSLRs and they are both heavy and bulky by comparison to the Sony. I found the size and weight of the NEX-5 very nice to work with although the 18-200 zoom does negate that a bit. I found the IQ excellent with both lenses and used the Sony for its maneuverability in shooting images of my two very energetic grandsons. The camera handles nicely the only thing I wish it had is a optical viewfinder. The LED screen although large and bright is a handicap shooting outdoors. I haver regretted my purchase. It was money well spent, especially if you don't need reach, you would find the kit lens produces excellent images.

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Jun 11, 2019 16:38:32   #
PierreD
 
Bill_de wrote:
There are people still waiting for the bugs to be worked out of home computers. If everybody waits there will never be any progress.

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Couldn't say it any better, Bill!

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Jun 11, 2019 16:46:26   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Bill_de wrote:
Did you read this wrong or did I? I read that Fuji had the biggest year over year percentage increase, but still own the smallest piece of the pie.

https://nikonrumors.com/2019/06/10/japanese-camera-market-share-canon-37-3-nikon-26-7-sony-13-1.aspx/#more-135990

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ESL Fuji is growing quicker.

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Jun 11, 2019 16:59:38   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
I suggest YOU avoid the Panasonic Lumix G85. Several reasons, including awful manual, no availability of 3rd party books, poor software, and terrible customer service and tech support.


The manual you can download is fine. The abbreviated one is useless.

Panasonic Support has been good for me.

If you need a third party camera-specific book, you really need a basic education in photography. There are plenty of resources for that.

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Jun 11, 2019 17:15:49   #
Bill P
 
I have a Panasonic GX7 and an OMD EM5ii. Before getting an Olympus camera rent one to see if you can come to grips with the menus. Pierre above says he knows some think the camera has too many options but he disagrees. I will tell you that Pierre is full of s**t, it's that the camera doesn't really have more options than others, it's just the inscrutable way in which they are presented. I think those who day the Olympus menus aren't difficult are people who spend more time playing with their camera than shooting photos.

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Jun 11, 2019 17:23:03   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
burkphoto wrote:
Does converting a raw file to TIFF and then sharpening work?


Yes, as a matter of fact, that's what both companies say to do. Actually they say to convert to dng first then use LR.

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Jun 11, 2019 17:24:01   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
al13 wrote:
That was fixed over 6 months ago although I don’t have to use it much, it works fine.


Not according to my friend Bob Adams who was visiting me Sunday night.

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Jun 11, 2019 17:45:02   #
PierreD
 
Bill P wrote:
I have a Panasonic GX7 and an OMD EM5ii. Before getting an Olympus camera rent one to see if you can come to grips with the menus. Pierre above says he knows some think the camera has too many options but he disagrees. I will tell you that Pierre is full of s**t, it's that the camera doesn't really have more options than others, it's just the inscrutable way in which they are presented. I think those who day the Olympus menus aren't difficult are people who spend more time playing with their camera than shooting photos.
I have a Panasonic GX7 and an OMD EM5ii. Before ge... (show quote)


Well, Bill, everybody is entitled to his opinions and to express them in any way he wishes, civil or less so! No arguing here.... I am not suggesting that the Olympus camera menus are not difficult... they can be, especially for beginners. My comment rather was about the NUMBER of options that the menus offers: many such options are available and it can for sure be a bit overwhelming. But after a while, navigating menus proves to be rather straightforward, and learning about them can help improve one's photography. I prefer shooting photos than playing with the camera, but if someone likes it the other way, let it be! There has never been one way to skin a cat!

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Jun 11, 2019 19:22:26   #
SteveLew Loc: Sugar Land, TX
 
Get the Fuji XT3. Great camera and lens are outstanding. Sony cameras are fine to, however, price the G Master lenses. For the price of a Fuji XT3, the focusing color science and the fairly priced camera and lenses you can't beat the Fuji.

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Jun 11, 2019 19:24:46   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
dick ranez wrote:
For your requirement as described look at the Panasonic FZ1000,2000 or whatever as a long zoom range, excellent video, light weight travel camera. It can co-exist nicely with your current system and won't break the bank. If you're interested in a new "system", it's hard to beat the lenses available for the Fuji XT-3. Great out of camera color, smaller (but not tiny) size and weight and not an obsolete format like the m4/3.


Correction! Your derogatory remark that M4/3 is obsolete is a bit pre mature. Whats wrong with you? Just sayin

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Jun 11, 2019 19:25:07   #
wolkodoff1
 
donie95 wrote:
I am considering adding a Mirrorless Camera for its weight and Video advantages when I travel . I currently have a D750 and a D500 but I find them to large for just travel shots and Video. I was leaning toward the Fujifilm xt3. I have heard good things about it plus it has a good lens line up, at whats seems a fair price for the body and a kit lens of around $1300. I know Sony is a leader in the mirrorless field. I am looking for thoughts and recommendations.


I agree, good choices. I have Panasonic G85 and have been more than pleased with the results, especially with video. I purchased one extra lens, and when traveling take compact lens, totally fine for a variety of travel shots. For me, a lot comes down to controls and how you are used to adjusting the camera. I have used Fuji, Nikon, Canon and now Panasonic. My only thought is each one takes getting use to, so I tend to take all my assignments with the Panasonic and leave the others in storage.

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Jun 11, 2019 19:46:59   #
PierreD
 
dick ranez wrote:
For your requirement as described look at the Panasonic FZ1000,2000 or whatever as a long zoom range, excellent video, light weight travel camera. It can co-exist nicely with your current system and won't break the bank. If you're interested in a new "system", it's hard to beat the lenses available for the Fuji XT-3. Great out of camera color, smaller (but not tiny) size and weight and not an obsolete format like the m4/3.


Dick: Not sure where you got this idea in your mind that the m4/3 format is "obsolete"... I'd love to hear more from you on how you explain/justify this statement.

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