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Jun 12, 2019 17:06:21   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
PhotosBySteve wrote:
I personally own 2 DSLR'S and 2 mirroless.
To begin with, mirrorless offers virtually no weight savings whatsoever over their DSLR counterpart. That's all marketing hype!!! One or two ounces does not amount to much percentage wise.
The two mirrorless cameras I have are the Sony A7RII and the Canon EOS R. The Canon runs circles around the Sony in ease of use, auto focus capabilities, menu design, compatible lenses and image quality. Just to mention a few. The lens choice and AF are the most major benefits, bar none.
I personally own 2 DSLR'S and 2 mirroless. br To b... (show quote)


No surprises there. Sony and Olympus menus are confusing to many, and Canon's and Panasonic's are among the best. If you cover sports, the Canon AF is excellent, and they have a lot of EF and EF-S glass from which to choose. Sony is still building their lens collection.

If you're comparing full frame to full frame, or APS-C to APS-C, no, there is no significant savings in KIT weight. But Micro 4/3 kits are about 1/2 to 1/3 the weight of equivalent field of view coverage full frame kits. There is a corresponding decrease in cost, as well. A 12-35mm f/2.8 lens is half the cost of a Canon 24-70 f/2.8L full frame lens. If you never buy full frame lenses, and build a kit for an APS-C camera, you save a marginal amount of weight over full frame. But IMHO, it's not dramatic enough.

Photography and life are full of little trade-offs. Compared with full frame gear, the quality cost of Micro 4/3 is two f/stops of noise in low light. The quality cost of APS-C is about one f/stop of noise in low light. A full frame 16 to 24MP camera is likely usable at ISO 12,800. The same noise characteristics are usually present at ISO 6400 on a 16-24MP APS-C body, and the same noise characteristics are usually present at ISO 3200 on a 20MP Micro 4/3. There are corresponding similarities in dynamic range and color depth at those speeds.

What you gain with Micro 4/3 is better image stabilization, portability, air-worthiness (my kit fits under an airline seat on most major carriers), and all-around video and audio performance.

If I were looking at full frame mirrorless, I would wait for Canon's and Nikon's and Panasonic's next generation full frame bodies. By then, they should have more native lenses available, and should have addressed all the shortcomings reviewers and users have noted thus far. On the other hand, as crappy as Sony menus can be, their performance is excellent. We can't forget that they have several years' head start on the other full frame mirrorless brands.

For >95% of what I photograph or cover with video, Micro 4/3 is enough. For the other 5%, which I haven't encountered in five years, there's LensRentals.com or BorrowLenses.com.

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Jun 12, 2019 19:32:15   #
Beenthere
 
deer2ker wrote:
. I have posted this video before but I think it would help you see what the Fuji can do with some of it being done with the kit lens. https://vimeo.com/306891236 (And this was done with an XT-2. The XT-3 is even better with focusing and video quality!)


I'm not familiar with the Fuji XT-2, or XT-3s, but I have heard many good things about them and your video link proves they are serious tools for pro to casual photography. Thanks for this.

Of course, I always recommend working with what you've got until it will no longer do what you need.

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Jun 12, 2019 19:44:02   #
Bill P
 
To deny his photographic knowledge is absurd and smacks of jealously and possible ignorance of your own knowledge.

I know that I have enough knowledge to have made a living shooting for most all my adult life. I see him making statements hat would have made that impossible. But I know how he makes his living. And I am in no way jealous of a loudmouth jackass.

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Jun 12, 2019 20:07:57   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
burkphoto wrote:
Lenses are where all the weight and bulk are. To save significant weight, Micro 4/3 is in your future.

Sony full frame bodies are light, but the lenses are, well, heavy full frame lenses. The menus can be confusing, but performance is first rate.

Fujifilm XT3 is a decent pick, a little lighter kit than comparable full frame kit (body and 2-3 lenses). It’s adequate for video, excellent for stills, especially if you need great JPEGs right from the camera. Ergonomics and controls are great, menus are well organized.

Lumix GH5 is the hybrid champ — a great mix of video, audio, and stills capabilities. It’s a better video camera than stills camera. The Lumix G9 tilts the balance towards stills a bit. Ergonomics, controls, and menus are excellent.
Lenses are where all the weight and bulk are. To s... (show quote)


Lots of good information!! Sony full frame G master lenses are heavy; but the Crop sensor cameras in the 6*** series and lenses are light.

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Jun 12, 2019 20:59:24   #
Hip Coyote
 
I am an Oly user, but if video is a concern, go with Panasonic.

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Nov 2, 2019 09:03:45   #
wetreed
 
I would go with the Nikon Z models. Nikon is a great company and you already know the Nikon system and have their lenses.

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Nov 2, 2019 19:16:44   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
donie95 wrote:
I am considering adding a Mirrorless Camera for its weight and Video advantages when I travel . I currently have a D750 and a D500 but I find them to large for just travel shots and Video. I was leaning toward the Fujifilm xt3. I have heard good things about it plus it has a good lens line up, at whats seems a fair price for the body and a kit lens of around $1300. I know Sony is a leader in the mirrorless field. I am looking for thoughts and recommendations.


The XT3 is a good choice and so are several other brand's models.

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Nov 2, 2019 20:06:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
johneccles wrote:
I actually use an Olympus EM10 and a Lumix G3 and I agree that its the lenses are where the weight is. I have a selection of lenses from prime to zoom and it's the zoom that really adds to the total weight.
I cannot work out however what the difference is between Lumix "G" and "GH" series.


The Lumix G series are better for photographers. They record good video, but make Panasonic’s best Micro 4/3 stills.

The Lumix GH series are better for filmmakers and videographers. The “H” stands for Hybrid. GH cameras are equipped with advanced audio and video features and can record practically unlimited video with no overheating or tariff restrictions.

The GX series are compact and rangefinder-like, reminiscent of mid-1950s designs from Canon and Nikon.

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Nov 2, 2019 20:51:21   #
ggenova64
 
I am considering adding a Mirrorless Camera for its weight and Video advantages when I travel . I currently have a D750 and a D500 but I find them to large for just travel shots and Video. I was leaning toward the Fujifilm xt3. I have heard good things about it plus it has a good lens line up, at whats seems a fair price for the body and a kit lens of around $1300. I know Sony is a leader in the mirrorless field. I am looking for thoughts and recommendations.

Buy a Nikon full frame Mirrorless Camera and have them throw in a free lens adapter so you want have to spend money on new lenses. I shot Sony!

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Nov 3, 2019 00:17:09   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
ggenova64 wrote:
I am considering adding a Mirrorless Camera for its weight and Video advantages when I travel . I currently have a D750 and a D500 but I find them to large for just travel shots and Video. I was leaning toward the Fujifilm xt3. I have heard good things about it plus it has a good lens line up, at whats seems a fair price for the body and a kit lens of around $1300. I know Sony is a leader in the mirrorless field. I am looking for thoughts and recommendations.

Buy a Nikon full frame Mirrorless Camera and have them throw in a free lens adapter so you want have to spend money on new lenses. I shot Sony!
I am considering adding a Mirrorless Camera for it... (show quote)


His reason for going mirrorless is the size and weight savings. Not gonna happen with a full frame. The biggest savings will be with lenses and the best bet there is to go MFT. I also shoot Nikon, a D500 and D7200, which I love, but I also shoot in situations where they can be cumbersome so I picked up a Panasonic Lumix G9 and it’s become my go to camera. It’s a joy to shoot with and does great video.

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Nov 3, 2019 00:35:04   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
donie95 wrote:
I am considering adding a Mirrorless Camera for its weight and Video advantages when I travel . I currently have a D750 and a D500 but I find them to large for just travel shots and Video. I was leaning toward the Fujifilm xt3. I have heard good things about it plus it has a good lens line up, at whats seems a fair price for the body and a kit lens of around $1300. I know Sony is a leader in the mirrorless field. I am looking for thoughts and recommendations.


I really think you need to listen to Bill at Burkphoto. You mentioned "video" and that is a good part of his business. He is more than aware of brands like Canon, Nikon, and others and their video abilities. I would suggest you still give a look at Olympus since they did a firmware update that improved their video (has been given very good reviews), but I still expect Panasonic has a good lead in the video department over all others. Olympus's Super Control Panel is very easy to use, but Bill is accurate that the main scroll menu is more difficult to learn and only exceeded by Sony's menu in difficult (can still be learned, just more diffcult that Olympus's). From a size, weight, and cost point of view, 4/3rds is ahead of the other formats. Bill has already pointed out the differences in formats. Unless those differences are really important to you, I think you will find 4/3rds more than adequate for your needs.

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