What Liberalism has done to our soceity...

Subject: Re: HIGH SCHOOL 1957 vs. 2017 ! ! ! !
By today's standards none of us were supposed to ever make it.

HIGH-SCHOOL
1957 vs. 2017

Scenario 1:

Jack goes duck hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2017- School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.


Scenario 2:

Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2017 - Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled - even though Johnny started it.

Scenario 3:

Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.
1957 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2017 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The family gets extra money (SSI) from the government because Jeffrey has a disability.


Scenario 4:

Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.
2017 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse, Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being spanked herself, and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.


Scenario 5:

Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1957 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock.
2014 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario 6:

Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2017 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.


Scenario 7:

Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.
1957 - Ants die.
2017 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The, FBI investigates his parents - and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.


Scenario 8:

Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957–In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2017- Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.


how stupid we have become!

It's interesting to me that some of us see the past and see what was better then and wish we had some of that back and others look back and only see what was worse. Some of us look back and see, for example, that in the 1950's divorce rates, single parent homes, births out of wedlock, and incarceration rates were lower for all races. We wish that those statistics could be revived, that the rampant absence of fathers could be addressed to return to two-parent homes, to stay married, to raise kids, especially boys, to be responsible providers. What's baffling, though, is that these wishes are deemed 'regressive' because critics can't (or won't) believe that people wishing for SOME things from the past are not wishing for ALL things from the past. For example, no one is proposing segregation, death trap cars with no seat belts, a 90% smoking rate from actors, homes without A/C or eliminating the internet, cell phones, or satellite TV.

The shotgun example from the OP is the best example of what has evaporated in our society in the last chunk of years. I graduated in the mid 80's. My Junior year we had an assembly specifically to address the NEW RULE about bringing your shotguns, rifles, pistols, etc on campus. While no one was bringing the weapons indoors anyway, there were approximately 100 weapons in the parking lot, in plain view, and in unlocked cars, and had been for 50 years, with exactly ZERO shootings. Why no shootings? Was it because there were no arguments, no fights? Of course not. It was because all of the kids had parents, almost always 2 of them, who taught morals, enforced rules at home, who dragged their kids to church (not a pitch for church, but for parents setting the rules and enforcing them) and who spanked their sons at home for getting spanked at school. There was a COMMUNITY of people who watched each other's kids, and backs. No kid would have shot up the school because every kid felt a part of the school, of the town. THAT is what those you insult as 'regressive' are longing to revive, not segregation, date rape, or whatever other ill dominates your memory of the past.

EDIT: The school employing the 'no gun' rule was not based on actual safety, but on saving money on insurance. Having a no gun rule lowered insurance rates........

Change is inevitable. It is not 1950 and never will be again, no matter how much some wish it to be.And unfortunately, too many of them that wish it are sitting in state govts. and the national govt., trying their best to return us to the good old days, when Blacks, women, the insane, the crippled, the intellectually challenged, the poor..knew their place and stayed in it.

But the winds of change have blown strong, and today, those people who are being freed from the stigma of being 'not perfect' and not worthy, if they have to stir the pot to get it done, so be it.

It's always been a struggle between those who have and those who have not. Right now, the have nots are making progress, even in the face of hate and disrespect. Perhaps we will one day will follow the greatest commandment..."Love one another".

What Liberalism has done to our soceity...

Subject: Re: HIGH SCHOOL 1957 vs. 2017 ! ! ! !
By today's standards none of us were supposed to ever make it.

HIGH-SCHOOL
1957 vs. 2017

Scenario 1:

Jack goes duck hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2017- School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.


Scenario 2:

Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2017 - Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled - even though Johnny started it.

Scenario 3:

Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.
1957 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2017 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The family gets extra money (SSI) from the government because Jeffrey has a disability.


Scenario 4:

Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.
2017 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse, Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being spanked herself, and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.


Scenario 5:

Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1957 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock.
2014 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario 6:

Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2017 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.


Scenario 7:

Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.
1957 - Ants die.
2017 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The, FBI investigates his parents - and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.


Scenario 8:

Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957–In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2017- Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.


how stupid we have become!

You are aware, I'll assume, that framing everything the way you did in your last paragraph, "a struggle between those who have and those who have not" is the EXACT definition of Marxism? You are aware, i'll assume, that pegging individuals within a society as enemies due to circumstance invites only one origin for remedy? Government. And when government becomes sacrosanct, it's only a matter of time before the true tyrant arrives? The 'place' for all of your supposedly oppressed people is looking to advance their lives, the lives of their family, and community, and then their nation. It's no one's place to look to destroy what remains of our national fabric.

What's truly missing in America is a sense of gratitude: all of us that we are grotesquely wealthy by global standards, all of us that we have the best of sanitation, medicine, food, and luxuries, women not to be in several countries where genital mutilation is still the norm, gays for not being in some of those same places where they would simply be killed...... America is only a true failure if you compare it to a fairy tale, not to other real places. Can things be improved? Of course, but the last batch of 'improvement' had a witches brew of unintended side effects, like women effectively marrying government instead of fathers, like an entire sub-culture of dependency, like far too may people of minority status having their credentials brought into question because of lowered educational standards.....

With all of the history at our backs, modern America has a lot of roads that should not be chosen based on past experience. Sadly, as you noted, people more of my viewpoint tend to look to re-install arrangement seen by others as oppressive. However, inviting more legislation like that that decimated the black family is all I hear from the left. Educated citizens need to vote DC out of existence and then look at real solutions instead of looking at our reps as though they should be expected to solve anything. Let's insult the idiots at the top before we insult each other as idiots for listening to the DC idiots, the college indoctrination idiots, the media idiots, and the Hollywood idiots.

It all started when they took the paddle and prayer out of the schools. There is no such thing as good common horse sense anymore. Parents can't control their kids because of insane liberal laws. Unfortunately most parents are immature grownup themselves. I say "immature", look at their dress, tattoos and listen to the language. Look at the hair styles and cell phone pacifiers. My dad was a police chief, no gray areas; either black or white and if i crossed the line, I caught 'what for'. Did he do it because he didn't love me?
Absolutely NOT; quite the contrary, but because he did. God must be so ashamed of us!

I was born in the mid fities and went to school in the sixities and seventies an saw a decline in discipline in the schools.

I carried a pocket knife to school everyday and there was no issue, just like with the firearms.

School shootings are not limited to angry or uncontrollable kids, a few years back a friend sent me several regarding Indian school children from the library of congress and one photo in particular was captioned us army patrol massacres school children and their white teacher, then sandy hook comes along and we blame the mother and the kid. We need to pay attention to history because I am here can guarantee tee that some here in the past the same atrocities have been committed and by so called civilized adults. I am here did not keep the photos knowing that they could be found in the Library of Congress.

My wife of 35 years and I raised 3 boys and they all have jobs and are successful in life. The oldest is part owner in a Logistic s Company and drives for Uber and Lyft, the Middle son is a truck driver in Oklahoma is married with two boys and a daughter, and my youngest works for WINCO as a lead cashier. The oldest and youngest still live at home. None of the three drink or do drugs and as far as I know have never tried drugs of the illegal variety.

Schools no longer concentrate on the core subjects (reading, Writing and Arithmetic) but concentrate on m loving the students from one grade to the next. Teachers complain that the class sizes are too large if they have twenty students or the class rooms are overcrowded. My class size averaged 35 students and in some schools that I attended they were in two story buildings and the classes for the incoming students were on the second story and there was no air conditioning, cooling was done with fans.

People complain about their kids having too much homework and they don't have enough time to do their homework and their after school activities. In China the kids go to school six days a week and the amount of homework will usually take them to 10 at night and only then can they participate in any extra activities. They have to show that they have completed all of their homework. And the thing is the parents help the kids with the homework and I don't mean they do it for them. The kids are respectful of their elders/parents and they wear a uniform to school.