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May 24, 2019 07:29:28   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
ELNikkor wrote:
I use my phone to call people

Smartphones are not really telephones. They are multipurpose electronic devices with thousands of uses, among which is a telephone app. The use of the word phone is misnomer left over from the days when that was their primary purpose. The phone app is one my device's least used functions. The majority of my over 12000 posts to UHH in the last several years were composed on my smartphone, and for most of them I was using the voice feature which did not require typing.

This post was created on my Samsung Galaxy s8+ using voice only in less than a minute while I'm waiting for my breakfast at my local McDonald's. After I finish looking at posts here I will look at my email and reply to any that are necessary. I then have to update a Word document and review an Excel document for my wife, all on my "phone'. I can do all this without being tethered to my computer at home. While there are many things I use my home computer for, there are far more tasks I can do on this device anytime and anyplace. And it still is a telephone and has a reasonably decent camera app.

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May 24, 2019 07:37:49   #
Brokenland
 
It's doomed if you allow it to be. Don't believe the hype about smart phones. But there may come a day when smart phones and cameras unite. it was close a few times and it's a shame those cameras never caught on. But if the smart phones sensor increases and allows for multiple range lenses, one may not be able to tell the camera from a smart phone. The only thing I use my smart phone for is voice to voice walkie talkie with the wife via zello. I don't even give my number out so if the phone rings.. it's not for me and blocked. In fact if I could get rid of the phone and resort to using a long range walkie talkie, the cell would be in the trash.

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May 24, 2019 07:43:47   #
eadler
 
Cell phones are great at what they do. What they are for almost exclusively other than making calls and writing texts is taking photos of friends and family. If that is what you want a camera for, a cell phone is all you need. If your photography interests are greater than F&F photos a camera is what you want.

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May 24, 2019 07:44:41   #
eadler
 
Cell phones are great at what they do. What they are for used for almost exclusively other than making calls and writing texts is taking photos of friends and family. If that is what you want a camera for, a cell phone is all you need. If your photography interests are greater than F&F photos a camera is what you want.

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May 24, 2019 07:49:46   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Bokehen wrote:
It's doomed if you allow it to be. Don't believe the hype about smart phones. But there may come a day when smart phones and cameras unite. it was close a few times and it's a shame those cameras never caught on. But if the smart phones sensor increases and allows for multiple range lenses, one may not be able to tell the camera from a smart phone. The only thing I use my smart phone for is voice to voice walkie talkie with the wife via zello. I don't even give my number out so if the phone rings.. it's not for me and blocked. In fact if I could get rid of the phone and resort to using a long range walkie talkie, the cell would be in the trash.
It's doomed if you allow it to be. Don't believe t... (show quote)


You are unfortunately not taking advantage of the many thousands of useful purposes it serves. 95% of what I can do on my home computer I can do on my smartphone anytime and anyplace. And, there are many things I can do on my smartphone that I cannot do on my home computer. it is the single best productivity tool I have ever owned. Due to its power and convenience I can accomplish many more things in much less time than I ever could before. But each to their own.

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May 24, 2019 07:52:14   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Huawei has had its share of troubles with the US government.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/16/why-huaweis-problems-with-the-us-government-have-been-so-bad.html

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May 24, 2019 07:55:04   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Bokehen wrote:
It's doomed if you allow it to be. Don't believe the hype about smart phones. But there may come a day when smart phones and cameras unite. it was close a few times and it's a shame those cameras never caught on. But if the smart phones sensor increases and allows for multiple range lenses, one may not be able to tell the camera from a smart phone. The only thing I use my smart phone for is voice to voice walkie talkie with the wife via zello. I don't even give my number out so if the phone rings.. it's not for me and blocked. In fact if I could get rid of the phone and resort to using a long range walkie talkie, the cell would be in the trash.
It's doomed if you allow it to be. Don't believe t... (show quote)


Smartphones and cameras have united. They both take pictures. DSLR's may catch up and they can make phone calls.
OK..forget that last sentence.

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May 24, 2019 08:07:30   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
"If your photography interests are greater than F&F photos a camera is what you want."
The need for greater is not on the front burner. The main population does not have a need or a want for greater. The cell phone takes a picture they are happy with. They will not waste time about ISO this depth or that speed.
I'm thinking of my nephews and nieces. They, of course, have cell phones. I could not imagine them frequently using a site like this. They would be bored out of their tree. Their interests as most in their age group are elsewhere. They as they get older will not schlep around camera equipment and assorted whatever. They will have no history with that stuff. No need for it.

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May 24, 2019 08:14:15   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Smartphones are not really telephones. They are multipurpose electronic devices with thousands of uses, among which is a telephone app. The use of the word phone is misnomer left over from the days when that was their primary purpose. The phone app is one my device's least used functions. The majority of my over 12000 posts to UHH in the last several years were composed on my smartphone, and for most of them I was using the voice feature which did not require typing.

This post was created on my Samsung Galaxy s8+ using voice only in less than a minute while I'm waiting for my breakfast at my local McDonald's. After I finish looking at posts here I will look at my email and reply to any that are necessary. I then have to update a Word document and review an Excel document for my wife, all on my "phone'. I can do all this without being tethered to my computer at home. While there are many things I use my home computer for, there are far more tasks I can do on this device anytime and anyplace. And it still is a telephone and has a reasonably decent camera app.
Smartphones are not really telephones. They are mu... (show quote)


I agree regarding the functionality of the cell phone.
I use mine, in conjunction with my computer, tablet and DSLR.
The screen on my Pixel 3 is too small for a lot of my work. The file system and internal storage also is not adequate. The camera, while top notch for a small device, is not adequate for the type of photography I do. Sports and Nature/birding. It is great for email, responding in Teams, chat etc. I can also listen to music.

It has its place in my technology tool bag, however it will never replace everything. At least not in the near future.

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May 24, 2019 08:16:47   #
DinoC
 
tenny52 wrote:
By looking at the reviews and photo samples of the Hwawei P30 Pro, I find that dsl camera days is numbered. At a price of less than a pro zoom lens, it can do much more.
Its technology may not be truly optical, but the effect is similar to 100 times the iso capacity of today's camera. This is only the beginning of a new era of photo technology.
At least for now, you won't need to carry 20 lbs of photo gears on a safari trip.
Hwawei is a smart phone and network company, which is under Trump's censorship heavily.
If Hwawei opens a camera subsidiary, I believe a lot major camera companies will go bankruptcy.
And we can mothball our collections of gears.
Do you find this is true, scary, or fiction?
By looking at the reviews and photo samples of the... (show quote)


Google has suspended business with Huawei that isn't covered under open source licensing, Reuters reported Sunday, following the Trump administration's decision to effectively ban the Chinese company in the U.S.





Huawei is losing Android operating system updates, a source close to the matter told Reuters, and Huawei's upcoming phones outside China will no longer get access to apps and services like Gmail and Google Play. Google also will no longer offer technical support to Huawei, the source told Reuters.

Last week, President Trump signed an executive order that declares foreign adversary threats to communications networks, technology and services a national emergency. The order puts limits on foreign involvement in the nation's carrier networks. In a parallel move, the Commerce Department added Huawei to its trade blacklist.

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May 24, 2019 08:19:52   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
mwsilvers wrote:
You are unfortunately not taking advantage of the many thousands of useful purposes it serves. 95% of what I can do on my home computer I can do on my smartphone anytime and anyplace. And, there are many things I can do on my smartphone that I cannot do on my home computer. it is the single best productivity tool I have ever owned. Due to its power and convenience I can accomplish many more things in much less time than I ever could before. But each to their own.


I may be wrong, however I expect you only do the following on your computer:

1- Read email
2- Use online social media
3- Listen to music
3- Play games
4- Surf the web

For many, that is sufficient. Those of us that use our computers for work, beyond the above, need:
1- A better file system and method to search
2- Larger internal storage capacity
3- More advanced tools
4- Greater control then the small touch screen provides
5- A larger screen to catch fine details
6- More computing capacity

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May 24, 2019 08:20:37   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
I don’t think so.

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May 24, 2019 08:24:03   #
Mike Fos Loc: Powhatan Virginia
 
I have a Cannon DSLR and I love changing lenses to get the pictures I want. Got a camera with the smart phone which is OK for the quality leaves a lot to be desired.

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May 24, 2019 08:27:54   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
ggab wrote:
I agree regarding the functionality of the cell phone.
I use mine, in conjunction with my computer, tablet and DSLR.
The screen on my Pixel 3 is too small for a lot of my work. The file system and internal storage also is not adequate. The camera, while top notch for a small device, is not adequate for the type of photography I do. Sports and Nature/birding. It is great for email, responding in Teams, chat etc. I can also listen to music.

It has its place in my technology tool bag, however it will never replace everything. At least not in the near future.
I agree regarding the functionality of the cell ph... (show quote)

That certainly is true, but it's also true that I can do many things on my phone that I can't do in my own computer, if for no other reason because I'm not home. and there are many tasks I can do faster and better than I can on my home computer, and other tasks I can't do on my home computer at all. It's not a replacement for a home computer, but a very important adjunct.

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May 24, 2019 08:43:10   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
tenny52 wrote:
By looking at the reviews and photo samples of the Hwawei P30 Pro, I find that dsl camera days is numbered. At a price of less than a pro zoom lens, it can do much more.
Its technology may not be truly optical, but the effect is similar to 100 times the iso capacity of today's camera. This is only the beginning of a new era of photo technology.
At least for now, you won't need to carry 20 lbs of photo gears on a safari trip.
Hwawei is a smart phone and network company, which is under Trump's censorship heavily.
If Hwawei opens a camera subsidiary, I believe a lot major camera companies will go bankruptcy.
And we can mothball our collections of gears.
Do you find this is true, scary, or fiction?
By looking at the reviews and photo samples of the... (show quote)


My wife and I have Samsung Galaxy Note8 and Note9 SmartPhones. And they both take damn good photos, but this is for Web sharing and hand held device viewing. In no way are prints from it comparable to the images I get from my Pentax cameras. To say nothing of my two 4x5" film cameras. I'm rather old school with technology (more inclined towards software use and computer hardware) for Photography and Audio listening. I still use lenses I bought in 1980 and before. And listen to LPs and CDs. And yes, I also have several "digital" lenses. So, if true and a danger to the "photography" industry why would a progressive forward looking company like Fujifilm introduce (yesterday) a Medium Format Digital camera with a 33x44mm Sensor that is 100MP for a whopping $9,999.00 Cheap compared to some digital Hasselblads! And Nikon and Canon finally came out with MILCs. Pentax had the K-01 APS-C MILC years ago be it soon was only sold in Japan. And note, many photographers edit on huge 26" to 32" monitors, not Cell screens!

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