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Mar 22, 2019 00:01:40   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
I am going to throw my two bits in again. I believe many people post to receive acknowledgement of others. For the most part responses in Photo Gallery are polite and if you are lucky enough to get in, but that's another subject, almost all are complementary and numerous. The result is a warm fuzzy experience. Posting to the Post Processing Forum typically means two or three individuals respond. It's only because I took the time to experience the character and quality of the regulars here that I keep coming back.

I don't know how to overcome that except to always be polite and supporting. And as much as admin will allow keep advertising in the General Forum. If I need to say it I'm for the duration. Anything I can do to help let me know.

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Mar 22, 2019 03:49:30   #
Heather Iles Loc: UK, Somerset
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Thanks so much Stan. I'm learning there are quite a few active viewers. I always wondered how many of UHH "view" numbers are Google bots and such - maybe not as many as I suspected

Your support is appreciated!


I often wondered about this too Linda from the comments that are made from time to time with regards to the members who are just looking and not taking part. As you know I have often responded and made the comment that I am looking and learning and that there must be others like me who are Novices going on to Intermediate.

Perhaps the time has come when the system can monitor how many members are online on a particular thread and for how long. Say for instance if the members click on and move on it means that they are only lookers but if they stay a while it means that they are reading the threads and taking an interested and obviously gaining something from the thread and also if those members keep following the thread to the conclusions. Just food for thought.

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Mar 22, 2019 04:07:08   #
rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin
 
Guyserman wrote:
I usually scan the main photography section skipping many of the posts since I no longer own a Nikon or Canon. The PP section is the next one and my favorite. Then comes a half dozen other specialty sections an finally the gallery. I enjoy the PP section and still have some topics I will eventually bring up there.


Really love the ‘Dog Among Daffodils’ image. Impressively sharp and well composed. /Ralph

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Mar 22, 2019 06:20:19   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Many topics posted to Post Processing Forum could easily fit into:
1. Main forum Discussion
2. Photo Gallery
3. For Your Consideration

The overwhelming majority of UHH users hang out in main discussion or photo gallery. The challenge for PP Forum, as with all the volunteer-managed sections, is they are invisible unless the UHH user specifically subscribes. How many of you reading this topic know there are about 30 specialty sections moderated by volunteers??

A bit of PP Forum's history can be found here. As noted in that doc, from June 1 through December 31, 2018, PP Forum averaged only 16 topics per month. Main discussion sees that many in a single day and photo gallery can have that many in a few hours

So, what is the value of PP Forum? I see it as the perfect place to post tutorials and editing challenges. We have a good number of tutorials, including expanded discussion within topics, since I took over as moderator - but we would definitely enjoy more challenges from pp experts willing to take the time to advise and offer feedback on participants' work (similar to what Shakey did).

For those just learning of this section - and for those veterans willing to come onboard with new topics - please be sure to read the updated guidelines here and my notice here, including expanded conversation on page 2.

Thanks for your time - - and don't forget to subscribe! 🤗
Many topics posted to Post Processing Forum could ... (show quote)


My pet peeve is someone posting an image in the wrong section for the wrong reasons. Post-processing section could be great. The Critique section is ill-used - sometimes for post-processing or gallery. The gallery is where you go for atta-boys/girls. Experienced people are part of the problem by not re-directing the OP to the proper section. The administrator, I'm sure, tries to maintain some order but the job is next to impossible. We all would benefit more if we'd pitch in a help

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Mar 22, 2019 06:32:08   #
waegwan Loc: Mae Won Li
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Many topics posted to Post Processing Forum could easily fit into:
1. Main forum Discussion
2. Photo Gallery
3. For Your Consideration

The overwhelming majority of UHH users hang out in main discussion or photo gallery. The challenge for PP Forum, as with all the volunteer-managed sections, is they are invisible unless the UHH user specifically subscribes. How many of you reading this topic know there are about 30 specialty sections moderated by volunteers??

A bit of PP Forum's history can be found here. As noted in that doc, from June 1 through December 31, 2018, PP Forum averaged only 16 topics per month. Main discussion sees that many in a single day and photo gallery can have that many in a few hours

So, what is the value of PP Forum? I see it as the perfect place to post tutorials and editing challenges. We have a good number of tutorials, including expanded discussion within topics, since I took over as moderator - but we would definitely enjoy more challenges from pp experts willing to take the time to advise and offer feedback on participants' work (similar to what Shakey did).

For those just learning of this section - and for those veterans willing to come onboard with new topics - please be sure to read the updated guidelines here and my notice here, including expanded conversation on page 2.

Thanks for your time - - and don't forget to subscribe! 🤗
Many topics posted to Post Processing Forum could ... (show quote)

I think it would be handy. I often Google questions on PSP and Darktable but too often get the canned answers that don't help.

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Mar 22, 2019 07:47:08   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
ebrunner wrote:
I think that the strength of any specialty section lies in the enthusiasm and commitment of the moderator(s) and the core group that post on a regular basis. You could call the pp section anything you want, and I'd be tempted to follow it because I like the people in the section. Interestingly, the people active in PP are also interested and very active in For Your Consideration. I would encourage members just learning about the specialty forums to look around and find several that you enjoy. You don't have to be active everyday. Checking in will give you ideas about things your peers are doing and will inspire you to pick up your camera and do something. That, after all, is why we bother with the forum in the first place.

I learned how to do composites because of the people in the specialty forums. I'm no expert; but I can make a composite and that is more than I could do when I started. I've also learned to appreciate the many ways that other photographers see things. I don't think I would want to copy everything; but I take what I can use and leave the rest. I'm into motion blur and long exposure photography right now. That is not everyone's cup of tea. The great thing about the people who comment on my work is that they give it real thought and tell me what they think of my ideas and how I execute them. We don't always agree; and they don't always like me work. But the communication is honest and helpful. It's hard to ask for more than that.
Erich
I think that the strength of any specialty section... (show quote)
Well said, Erich. Thanks so much.

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Mar 22, 2019 07:52:10   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
I am going to throw my two bits in again. I believe many people post to receive acknowledgement of others. For the most part responses in Photo Gallery are polite and if you are lucky enough to get in, but that's another subject, almost all are complementary and numerous. The result is a warm fuzzy experience. Posting to the Post Processing Forum typically means two or three individuals respond. It's only because I took the time to experience the character and quality of the regulars here that I keep coming back.

I don't know how to overcome that except to always be polite and supporting. And as much as admin will allow keep advertising in the General Forum. If I need to say it I'm for the duration. Anything I can do to help let me know.
I am going to throw my two bits in again. I believ... (show quote)
I don't think UHH was formed with any plan to have specialty sections. But as you suggest, even Gallery doesn't get all the photos "advertised." The email that contains the Daily Digest has 20 spots for main discussion, 35 for Photo Gallery. If you are logged in when you view it, you will see up to 5 topics for each specialty forum.

All topics posted are in all their sections; one just has to learn to use "newest topics" at the top of any page (and be subscribed to each section desired) to see the full list. I believe the digest was designed to give people just a peek, and of course if it's in your email each morning, it's also a good reminder to visit UHH

With the specialty sections being well hidden in general, it's hard to know how many folks would be willing to take the time for a more in-depth experience. I suspect that the overwhelming majority would remain in Photo Gallery (for several reasons), and main discussion.

Thanks so much for your support.

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Mar 22, 2019 07:57:49   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Heather Iles wrote:
I often wondered about this too Linda from the comments that are made from time to time with regards to the members who are just looking and not taking part. As you know I have often responded and made the comment that I am looking and learning and that there must be others like me who are Novices going on to Intermediate.

Perhaps the time has come when the system can monitor how many members are online on a particular thread and for how long. Say for instance if the members click on and move on it means that they are only lookers but if they stay a while it means that they are reading the threads and taking an interested and obviously gaining something from the thread and also if those members keep following the thread to the conclusions. Just food for thought.
I often wondered about this too Linda from the com... (show quote)
The price companies pay for ads on any website is based on traffic. I would guess that site Admin/owner has the data to provide the "price list" and tailors his own advertising to it also.

I don't see it ever being made available to us users - who get the services free

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Mar 22, 2019 08:03:59   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
DavidPine wrote:
My pet peeve is someone posting an image in the wrong section for the wrong reasons. Post-processing section could be great. The Critique section is ill-used - sometimes for post-processing or gallery. The gallery is where you go for atta-boys/girls. Experienced people are part of the problem by not re-directing the OP to the proper section. The administrator, I'm sure, tries to maintain some order but the job is next to impossible. We all would benefit more if we'd pitch in a help
Thanks for commenting, David. Critique Forum is unique in purpose and rules, but without active moderation, falls quickly apart.

Volunteer-moderated sections were probably not part of the site's original plan, and being so tiny compared to Gallery and main discussion, I doubt there's any benefit to the fiscal line for Admin to make any further changes. So yes, it's up to volunteers - including interested supporters, not just the moderators - to get the word out.

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Mar 22, 2019 08:08:31   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
waegwan wrote:
I think it would be handy. I often Google questions on PSP and Darktable but too often get the canned answers that don't help.
The Post Processing section home page is:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/s-116-1.html

Click on "all sections" at the bottom of any UHH page to find the entire list of UHH specialty forums. You will need to subscribe to each of interest in order to see topics in your "newest topics" link or the daily digest (with the digest you must be logged in to see the little guys, even if you're subscribed).

Most of the folks who currently participate in PP Forum can also be found in main discussion, Gallery and For Your Consideration. The benefit to a smaller section is the chance to expand on conversations and ideas - and in a respectful, friendly manner.

Appreciate your comments!

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Mar 22, 2019 09:23:34   #
waegwan Loc: Mae Won Li
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
The Post Processing section home page is:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/s-116-1.html

Click on "all sections" at the bottom of any UHH page to find the entire list of UHH specialty forums. You will need to subscribe to each of interest in order to see topics in your "newest topics" link or the daily digest (with the digest you must be logged in to see the little guys, even if you're subscribed).

Most of the folks who currently participate in PP Forum can also be found in main discussion, Gallery and For Your Consideration. The benefit to a smaller section is the chance to expand on conversations and ideas - and in a respectful, friendly manner.

Appreciate your comments!
The Post Processing section home page is: br https... (show quote)

Got it! Thanks. I'll add it to my favorites :-)

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Mar 22, 2019 09:59:53   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
DavidPine wrote:
My pet peeve is someone posting an image in the wrong section for the wrong reasons. Post-processing section could be great. The Critique section is ill-used - sometimes for post-processing or gallery. The gallery is where you go for atta-boys/girls. Experienced people are part of the problem by not re-directing the OP to the proper section. The administrator, I'm sure, tries to maintain some order but the job is next to impossible. We all would benefit more if we'd pitch in a help

There's a lot of overlap and often the same thread might be appropriate in multiple forums, especially the main forum which is sort of a catch all. As an example, the main forum is full of discussions on the need for post processing, shooting raw vs jpeg, and post processing software. Strictly speaking they should all be in the post-processing section. Additionally, long threads on virtually any topic eventually go off one or more tangents and often end up discussing a completely different subject than the OP intended. Human discourse can't always be easily quantified, controlled and put into neat boxes.

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Mar 22, 2019 10:03:45   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
mwsilvers wrote:
... Human discourse can always be easily quantified, controlled and put into neat boxes.
Do you mean it can not be?

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Mar 22, 2019 10:05:37   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Do you mean it can not be?


Yes, it was an error. It should have said can't. I realized it and corrected it just before I read your post. Thanks.

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Mar 22, 2019 10:11:59   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
mwsilvers wrote:
There's a lot of overlap and often the same thread might be appropriate in multiple forums, especially the main forum which is sort of a catch all. As an example, the main forum is full of discussions on the need for post processing, shooting raw vs jpeg, and post processing software. Strictly speaking they should all be in the post-processing section. Additionally, long threads on virtually any topic eventually go off one or more tangents and often end up discussing a completely different subject than the OP intended. Human discourse can't always be easily quantified, controlled and put into neat boxes.
There's a lot of overlap and often the same thread... (show quote)
When I view the Digest this morning without being logged in, there are 18 main discussion topics. When I view after logging in, there are 19 and the additional topic is mine

Though Admin has been generous with willingness to create whatever specialty section is requested, and does provide space in the digest - if one is subscribed and logged in to see - I suspect that the "little guys" will always remain tiny while main discussion and Photo Gallery continue to receive 95% of the site traffic. No doubt, fiscal considerations are part of this.

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