Camera market has collapsed 84% since 2010
Feb 14, 2019 11:03:49 #
graybeard wrote:
You are correct. It was not addressed to you. Since you knew that from the start, why did you bother to reply ??
I'm beginning to see why you my have been blocked.
Feb 14, 2019 11:11:59 #
Kmgw9v wrote:
Why are so many pictures “taken with them”?
I think another point that's missed here is that while it's true that cellphones are crushing the point & shoot market, the biggest reason there are so many more pictures taken with cellphones is that most of these photos would have never been taken before the days of camera phones. EVERYBODY is documenting EVERYTHING now.
Feb 14, 2019 11:29:50 #
PierreD wrote:
Yes, I do doubt, because you somehow omit to include the fact that MFT, which are favored by many photographers and are quite successful, may continue to improve and take a significant portion of the mirrorless camera market. Of course, neither of us has a crystal ball as so your guess is as good as mine.
I love my D7200 and D7000 but I recently picked up a Lumix MFT to use kayaking, where even the DX's are too cumbersome. I've been pretty impressed so far and now I'm thinking it's the only camera I'll take on my upcoming Bahamas trip since the island hopper limits my total luggage to 40 lbs. I'll probably take a lot of cellphone pics too.
Feb 14, 2019 11:40:36 #
You all have totally missed the real travesty caused by cellphone cameras! Vertical video!
Feb 14, 2019 13:38:05 #
The thing that most hobbyist forget is outside of their domain, no one cares.
I have a friend who is an Audio freak, he will test record needle cartridges for sound quality. My canoe buddies judge canoe by some illusive "response to the paddle" only they can feel. So too my guitar buddies who swoon over the touch and feel of a certain finger board/neck combination etc. Sure, when pointed out to me I notice them but it is no big deal.
So to with photography, folks are interested in the subject not the quality of the photo. Folk do not blindly accept sub par mediocre photos, they simply do not care. If you point out the crisp detail of the bride's dress lace, it mean little compared to their cell phone video of the little flower girl.
That as they say, is just life.
As to the fall of Kodak, they ruled the market because the worked hard and developed the film technology from scratch, they held many of the key patents. Once pictures could be captured electronically, anyone could build a camera. The only things that that could be patented were unique features. Add to this the explosion of personal computers and Kodak was just another camera company.
Years ago, I am sure that volumes were written buy Speedgraffic and other cut film fans about the dastardly trend to small format roll film. :)
Having fun is the main object of the hobbyist.
I have a friend who is an Audio freak, he will test record needle cartridges for sound quality. My canoe buddies judge canoe by some illusive "response to the paddle" only they can feel. So too my guitar buddies who swoon over the touch and feel of a certain finger board/neck combination etc. Sure, when pointed out to me I notice them but it is no big deal.
So to with photography, folks are interested in the subject not the quality of the photo. Folk do not blindly accept sub par mediocre photos, they simply do not care. If you point out the crisp detail of the bride's dress lace, it mean little compared to their cell phone video of the little flower girl.
That as they say, is just life.
As to the fall of Kodak, they ruled the market because the worked hard and developed the film technology from scratch, they held many of the key patents. Once pictures could be captured electronically, anyone could build a camera. The only things that that could be patented were unique features. Add to this the explosion of personal computers and Kodak was just another camera company.
Years ago, I am sure that volumes were written buy Speedgraffic and other cut film fans about the dastardly trend to small format roll film. :)
Having fun is the main object of the hobbyist.
Feb 14, 2019 16:08:35 #
Indiana wrote:
I have noted with interest that an in-state high ... (show quote)
Thank you for a remarkable observation.
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Feb 14, 2019 16:12:20 #
Ramsay2303 wrote:
Yes, I think that buying a real camera is
always worthy.
I know the differences between them,
specifically the price, but like my Mom
used to say Paris always work a mass!
Yes, I think that buying a real camera is
always worthy.
I know the differences between them,
specifically the price, but like my Mom
used to say Paris always work a mass!
[clarification]
" Paris is always worth a mass ! "
Comes off kinda weird with the typos :-)
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Feb 14, 2019 16:14:05 #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I'm beginning to see why you my have been blocked.
I don't block people. I am not afraid of words. But feel free to block me if you are so inclined.
Feb 14, 2019 16:18:09 #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
You all have totally missed the real travesty
caused by cellphone cameras! Vertical video!
You all have totally missed the real travesty
caused by cellphone cameras! Vertical video!
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
One man's travesty is another man's revolution.
Andy Warhol said that.
No he didn't ... I lied !
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Feb 14, 2019 16:34:50 #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
.......
point that's missed here is that ..... there are so
many more pictures taken with cellphones is that
most of these photos would have never been taken
before the days of camera phones.
EVERYBODY is documenting EVERYTHING now.
point that's missed here is that ..... there are so
many more pictures taken with cellphones is that
most of these photos would have never been taken
before the days of camera phones.
EVERYBODY is documenting EVERYTHING now.
And that last line, "EVERYBODY is documenting
EVERYTHING now." is not just about hardware
and market share. It's about "visual literacy" as
an evolving thing. The total immersion in image
making that is now ubiquitous has rewritten the
message that any photograph delivers ... even
all the classic images in museums and "History
of Photography" textbooks. All those images are
now "down off their pedestals". And without the
pedestal, the viewer see them as vernacular, as
snaps the viewer might have made, or would've
NEVER been moved to make ... "bones in desert
sand ? why ? who cares ?"
Peeps are ALWAYS dredging up Grandpa Ansel,
so I will do the same. Why not apply for a grant
to travel as an Ansel Adams look alike to all his
vaunted vistas, and update them ... As an AA
impostor, take selfies in front of Half Dome and
Henandez Moonrise and all the AA classic spots.
Plenty of "artistes" tote their sheet film rigs to
these places and plant their tripod spikes into
the well worn holes ... and have no audience for
their "art". But the "AA Selfies Re-do" ? That will
likely get primo gallery and museum space !
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Feb 14, 2019 16:56:59 #
Selfies are certainly nothing new. "Would you mind taking a picture of us." was a common phase as you handed your camera to a complete stranger. Phone cameras made it easier.
I recently handed my camera to my granddaughter's college friend to take a picture of us. The look on her face was priceless, you would have though I handed her a dial telephone. 18 years old and never saw a camera with a view finder.
Traditional style cameras will be around for the same reason film is, some people like the tactile feel of a camera in there hand.
However, do not be surprised if the new generations cameras have even more features. My new Canon Rebel T6 has a WiFi and GPS function of some sort. Pretty soon they my even add a phone feature. :)
I recently handed my camera to my granddaughter's college friend to take a picture of us. The look on her face was priceless, you would have though I handed her a dial telephone. 18 years old and never saw a camera with a view finder.
Traditional style cameras will be around for the same reason film is, some people like the tactile feel of a camera in there hand.
However, do not be surprised if the new generations cameras have even more features. My new Canon Rebel T6 has a WiFi and GPS function of some sort. Pretty soon they my even add a phone feature. :)
Feb 14, 2019 20:45:22 #
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Cell phone cameras are real cameras. They are not dedicated cameras and may not posses features that dedicated cameras may, but they are indeed, real cameras, with a built in wireless telephone.
You may consider a cell phone a real camera, some feel differently, the reason that i get hired to photograph formal events is because I don't use a cell phone camera.
Feb 14, 2019 21:32:59 #
kenArchi
Loc: Seal Beach, CA
Picture taking devices didn't decrease in sales. Now virtually
everyone has one in their back pocket! Including me!
everyone has one in their back pocket! Including me!
Feb 14, 2019 23:54:11 #
Grandpa Ron wrote:
Selfies are certainly nothing new. "Would you
mind taking a picture of us." was a common
phase as you handed your camera to a
complete stranger. Phone cameras made it
easier.
.........
Selfies are certainly nothing new. "Would you
mind taking a picture of us." was a common
phase as you handed your camera to a
complete stranger. Phone cameras made it
easier.
.........
Not just easier, but ubiquitous and constant
to a sometimes annoying degree. The easy
democratization of zero-cost selfies is what
is new ... not the selfie concept.
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Feb 15, 2019 00:18:30 #
B&H sells cell phones.
They are hedging their bests because the camera market will decline to 1/10th of of wehat it is today.
They are hedging their bests because the camera market will decline to 1/10th of of wehat it is today.
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