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Feb 3, 2019 13:22:39   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
John_F wrote:
Just 6 states.

That’s all that stands between you and me and a disastrous Article V constitutional convention. An event unprecedented in U.S. history -- that would put every constitutional right we cherish under attack.

We have no choice but to immediately step up our grassroots response to defeat this effort.

Many constitutional experts believe this is the biggest present threat to our democracy -- and it’s happening right now, behind closed doors and out of the public eye.

The Koch Brothers & the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) are spending big money to lobby state lawmakers, demanding they support an Article V convention to radically reshape our nation. If we let them succeed, there’ll be little to stop them from writing their far right-wing agenda directly into our Constitution.

That could mean changing our First Amendment rights, like the right to free speech and assembly… gutting environmental regulations… rolling back our right to v**e… and putting Supreme Court decisions about marriage e******y and healthcare up for grabs.

That’s what’s in store if just 6 more states sign on to an Article V convention. That’s all the Koch Brothers, the Mercers, and their extremist allies need to reach the two-thirds supermajority required to convene the convention and start tearing apart our U.S. Constitution.

That’s why I’m urging you to immediately help Common Cause in our state-by-state battle to block and rescind calls for an Article V convention. Can you step up today and write to your legislator?


Believe me. This isn’t some plot out of a dystopian novel. This sinister effort is actually underway as I write -- perhaps even in your state’s legislature.

Even more frightening: once it’s called, there are no rules or guidelines in our Constitution or anywhere else that can constrain an Article V convention. Name a constitutional right you care about: press freedom, reproductive justice, privacy protections, a fair trial. Any one of those could be placed on the chopping block.

The odds may seem stacked against us, but I want you to know that concentrated and organized grassroots action can STOP this right-wing attack on our Constitution.

In fact, we’ve already proven we can fight the extremists and win. Common Cause activists have successfully rolled back calls for an Article V convention in Delaware, New Mexico, Maryland, and Nevada.

We’ve proven over and over that our state-by-state grassroots organizing works -- and that as long as we keep fighting, we’ll keep winning.

The U.S. Constitution guarantees many of our most important human rights. There are without a doubt parts we would like to strengthen or change. But we can do that through the same process we used for women’s suffrage and lowering the v****g age -- specific amendments carefully crafted for a specific problem, passed by Congress and ratified by states.
But with an Article V convention, there are no safeguards to protect us -- nothing to protect our fundamental rights like free speech, free religion, and v****g from going on the chopping block. AND… there’d be nothing stopping politicians from appointing themselves or their wealthy donors as delegates, or even auctioning seats off to the highest bidder!

Let’s be honest. The proposed constitutional convention is nothing more than another bald-faced attempt by the Koch Brothers and other special interests to rig the rules and seize even more power.

With just 6 states between us and an Article V convention, the time to redouble our efforts is right now. I hope we can count on your immediate support.

Common Cause has the expertise, the nonpartisan standing, and the grassroots power to successfully fight back. We’re building coalitions with Democratic and Republican lawmakers in red, blue, and purple states alike to defend all of us against the far right’s Article V power grab.

We must not -- and will not -- let these extremists rewrite our Constitution. Please let me know we can count on you to stand with me in this fight.

Thanks for all you do,

Karen Hobert Flynn, President
and the team at Common Cause
Just 6 states. br br That’s all that stands betwe... (show quote)


Total Crock of BS, an amendment to the US constitution has to be ratified in some 75% of the states, were it truly a threat to our democracy that could never happen, the larger threat that looms is an unchecked Supreme court with a Demonic majority, the republic could not withstand the assault that such a court would present to our constitution.

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Feb 3, 2019 13:32:30   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JamesCurran wrote:
It is "Winner-take-all" as the e*****rs pre-announce who they will v**e for, and are selected in a block, instead of individually. And most states legally require e*****rs to v**e for their pre-announced choice.


Find me a founding father who specifically supports that....


Doubling down on deceit I see.

I listed well over 100.

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Feb 3, 2019 14:13:05   #
jcboy3
 
LWW wrote:
Pure unadulterated US GRADE A jibba jabba that has absolutely ZERO historical basis.

I’m going to suggest you actually read the COTUS before you embarrass yourself further.

The COTUS allowed each state to decide how e*****rs were chosen.

Should a state decide to throw a dart at a list of citizens once for each allotted e*****r.

Pay very close attention ... YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO V**E FOR THE POTUS.

Deal with it.


Used to be that way with Senators as well, until the 17th amendment. Same principal can be applied to the President; just pass an amendment to abolish the e*******l college and directly elect the president.

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Feb 3, 2019 15:48:15   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
LWW wrote:
Doubling down on deceit I see.

I listed well over 100.


The only one Doubling down on deceit is you.

I ask for one supporting our current system of winner takes all with e*****rs precommited.

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Feb 3, 2019 16:36:06   #
jcboy3
 
LWW wrote:
1-Article V is part of the COTUS, why are you against the rights of the people?

2-The left has used judicial activism to change the COTUS against the will of the people, and that is why the push for V.

3-Why do people thwart the will of the people in the name of the people?


There is not one person alive today that v**ed to ratify the Constitution. There is, therefore, no "will of the people" with respect to the Constitution.

Perhaps, when everyone that v**ed to ratify the Constitution has died, it is time to either re-ratify the Constitution or have a Constitutional Convention to rewrite the thing based upon our learned experience, or flight of fancy.

Wh**ever, the Constitution no longer represents a democratic ideal. More a legacy of dead white men.

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Feb 3, 2019 16:52:39   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JamesCurran wrote:
The only one Doubling down on deceit is you.

I ask for one supporting our current system of winner takes all with e*****rs precommited.


Can you not count/read?

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Feb 3, 2019 16:53:22   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
jcboy3 wrote:
There is not one person alive today that v**ed to ratify the Constitution. There is, therefore, no "will of the people" with respect to the Constitution.

Perhaps, when everyone that v**ed to ratify the Constitution has died, it is time to either re-ratify the Constitution or have a Constitutional Convention to rewrite the thing based upon our learned experience, or flight of fancy.

Wh**ever, the Constitution no longer represents a democratic ideal. More a legacy of dead white men.
There is not one person alive today that v**ed to ... (show quote)


Read a book.

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Feb 3, 2019 16:54:31   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Used to be that way with Senators as well, until the 17th amendment. Same principal can be applied to the President; just pass an amendment to abolish the e*******l college and directly elect the president.


The nation will be in the fast lane to oblivion until the 17th is repealed also.

I could explain why, but you would wouldn't understand.

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Feb 3, 2019 16:55:14   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Total Crock of BS, an amendment to the US constitution has to be ratified in some 75% of the states, were it truly a threat to our democracy that could never happen, the larger threat that looms is an unchecked Supreme court with a Demonic majority, the republic could not withstand the assault that such a court would present to our constitution.


Forgive him for he knows not of what he speaks.

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Feb 3, 2019 18:51:29   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
LWW wrote:
Can you not count/read?


You gave me a list of founding fathers who supported the ORIGINAL concept of e*****rs with no pre-commitment, who are chosen individually.


I asked for even one who supports the CURRENT system of pre-committed e*****rs, chosen in a block.

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Feb 3, 2019 20:20:19   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
John_F wrote:
Just 6 states.

That’s all that stands between you and me and a disastrous Article V constitutional convention. An event unprecedented in U.S. history -- that would put every constitutional right we cherish under attack.

We have no choice but to immediately step up our grassroots response to defeat this effort.

Many constitutional experts believe this is the biggest present threat to our democracy -- and it’s happening right now, behind closed doors and out of the public eye.

The Koch Brothers & the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) are spending big money to lobby state lawmakers, demanding they support an Article V convention to radically reshape our nation. If we let them succeed, there’ll be little to stop them from writing their far right-wing agenda directly into our Constitution.

That could mean changing our First Amendment rights, like the right to free speech and assembly… gutting environmental regulations… rolling back our right to v**e… and putting Supreme Court decisions about marriage e******y and healthcare up for grabs.

That’s what’s in store if just 6 more states sign on to an Article V convention. That’s all the Koch Brothers, the Mercers, and their extremist allies need to reach the two-thirds supermajority required to convene the convention and start tearing apart our U.S. Constitution.

That’s why I’m urging you to immediately help Common Cause in our state-by-state battle to block and rescind calls for an Article V convention. Can you step up today and write to your legislator?


Believe me. This isn’t some plot out of a dystopian novel. This sinister effort is actually underway as I write -- perhaps even in your state’s legislature.

Even more frightening: once it’s called, there are no rules or guidelines in our Constitution or anywhere else that can constrain an Article V convention. Name a constitutional right you care about: press freedom, reproductive justice, privacy protections, a fair trial. Any one of those could be placed on the chopping block.

The odds may seem stacked against us, but I want you to know that concentrated and organized grassroots action can STOP this right-wing attack on our Constitution.

In fact, we’ve already proven we can fight the extremists and win. Common Cause activists have successfully rolled back calls for an Article V convention in Delaware, New Mexico, Maryland, and Nevada.

We’ve proven over and over that our state-by-state grassroots organizing works -- and that as long as we keep fighting, we’ll keep winning.

The U.S. Constitution guarantees many of our most important human rights. There are without a doubt parts we would like to strengthen or change. But we can do that through the same process we used for women’s suffrage and lowering the v****g age -- specific amendments carefully crafted for a specific problem, passed by Congress and ratified by states.
But with an Article V convention, there are no safeguards to protect us -- nothing to protect our fundamental rights like free speech, free religion, and v****g from going on the chopping block. AND… there’d be nothing stopping politicians from appointing themselves or their wealthy donors as delegates, or even auctioning seats off to the highest bidder!

Let’s be honest. The proposed constitutional convention is nothing more than another bald-faced attempt by the Koch Brothers and other special interests to rig the rules and seize even more power.

With just 6 states between us and an Article V convention, the time to redouble our efforts is right now. I hope we can count on your immediate support.

Common Cause has the expertise, the nonpartisan standing, and the grassroots power to successfully fight back. We’re building coalitions with Democratic and Republican lawmakers in red, blue, and purple states alike to defend all of us against the far right’s Article V power grab.

We must not -- and will not -- let these extremists rewrite our Constitution. Please let me know we can count on you to stand with me in this fight.

Thanks for all you do,

Karen Hobert Flynn, President
and the team at Common Cause
Just 6 states. br br That’s all that stands betwe... (show quote)



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Feb 3, 2019 20:27:57   #
jcboy3
 
LWW wrote:
The nation will be in the fast lane to oblivion until the 17th is repealed also.

I could explain why, but you would wouldn't understand.


Too bad you think so highly of yourself. It inhibits your ability to learn.

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Feb 3, 2019 21:21:54   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JamesCurran wrote:
You gave me a list of founding fathers who supported the ORIGINAL concept of e*****rs with no pre-commitment, who are chosen individually.


I asked for even one who supports the CURRENT system of pre-committed e*****rs, chosen in a block.


Now you are being silly.

Pay close attention ... the states were allowed to select e*****rs in any manner they chose.

They could choose winner take all.

Or proportional.

With bound e*****rs.

Without bound e*****rs.

By popular v**e.

By legislative v**e.

By executive fiat.

By throwing darts at a list of names.

By any means the states chose.

Once a blank check has been written, it cannot be argued that the issuer did not support it being cashed.

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Feb 3, 2019 21:39:35   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
LWW wrote:
Now you are being silly.

Pay close attention ... the states were allowed to select e*****rs in any manner they chose.



*I'M* being silly???

Yes. They COULD do that.... BUT THEY DO NOT!!

Let's try to stick to things that are actually happening.

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Feb 3, 2019 21:41:42   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
LWW wrote:
The nation will be in the fast lane to oblivion until the 17th is repealed also.

I could explain why, but you would wouldn't understand.


Oh, I'm dying to hear why you want to repeal the 17th amendment.....

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