Well, I Did It! Giving Mirrorless A Try! (Page 3): :sm24: So, now, how would you rate your new "R" in comparison to your 5D4? a) A bit better b) 'Bout even c) there's really no way you...

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

LFingar wrote:

Ah! Good point!

So, now, how would you rate your new "R" in comparison to your 5D4?

a) A bit better b) 'Bout even c) there's really no way you Can Compare them

Pick one, or supply your own ….

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

LFingar wrote:

The added pixel density of the 7DII over the 5DIV can be handy when cropping, such as with BIF. For whatever reason though I just never enjoyed the 7DII like the 5DIV or even the 6D or 70D that I have had.
I have read rumors of a more pro model mirrorless with 70-75mp that Canon will supposedly release in the 4th quarter of this year. So......

Ah, but will it have 5-way IBIS, like most of the Sony FF MILCs, and the competing Nikon Z6 / Z7 ???

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

Chris T wrote:

So, now, how would you rate your new "R" in comparison to your 5D4?

a) better b) 'bout even c) there's really no way you Can Compare them

Pick one, or supply your own ….

Ask me in a week! Just got it this morning. I already like the auto-focus and the EVF but there is still a lot to learn about it. Heck, the digital manual is about 640 pages long! I may even try reading some of the manual BEFORE I screw up, instead of after!

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

LFingar wrote:

The added pixel density of the 7DII over the 5DIV can be handy when cropping, such as with BIF. For whatever reason though I just never enjoyed the 7DII like the 5DIV or even the 6D or 70D that I have had.
I have read rumors of a more pro model mirrorless with 70-75mp that Canon will supposedly release in the 4th quarter of this year. So......

I never thought that the images were sharp on the 7DII and it was certainly noisy, part of that could have been me not having worked out a good technique for my long lenses that were newly acquired back when I had that camera, but the 5DSR without the low pass is extremely sharp even if a little noisy but not as bad as the 7DII.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

LFingar wrote:

Ask me in a week! Just got it this morning. I already like the auto-focus and the EVF but there is still a lot to learn about it. Heck, the digital manual is about 640 pages long! I may even try reading some of the manual BEFORE I screw up, instead of after!

Good IDEA!!!! … Enjoy your reads, then … that'll take your mind off the surgery you just had - huh?

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Blurryeyed wrote:

I never thought that the images were sharp on the 7DII and it was certainly noisy, part of that could have been me not having worked out a good technique for my long lenses that were newly acquired back when I had that camera, but the 5DSR without the low pass is extremely sharp even if a little noisy but not as bad as the 7DII.

Yes, but, Blurry … they are both different formats, don't forget …

And, of course - the 5DS R - is the top-of-the-heap in FF DSLRs - resolution-wise, anyway …

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Chris T wrote:

Yes, but, Blurry … they are both different formats, don't forget …

And, of course - the 5DS R - is the top-of-the-heap in FF DSLRs - resolution-wise, anyway …

I really don't how the larger sensor makes much of a difference, the full format is simply a larger sensor, the 5DSR in APS-C mode is 19.6mp where the 7DII is 20.2mp. As far as the format goes it does not effect how the light hits the sensor. A new crop camera is generally capable of sharper images than a full frame, but they do not handle dynamic range was well and in general perform worse than full frames at higher ISO's because of their smaller pixels. A few of the newer full frames have smaller pixels similar to the crop cameras, the 5DSR being one and the new Nikon 850 being another, but sensor technology keeps moving forward and these cameras still out perform their smaller sensor contemporaries.

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

Blurryeyed wrote:

I never thought that the images were sharp on the 7DII and it was certainly noisy, part of that could have been me not having worked out a good technique for my long lenses that were newly acquired back when I had that camera, but the 5DSR without the low pass is extremely sharp even if a little noisy but not as bad as the 7DII.

Interesting! I had the same complaints about my 7DII, even compared to my 6D and especially to the 5DIV. The image quality just never seemed to be quite there. It always turned out good images but just not as good as the other two did. Or so it seemed to me.
Out of curiosity I weighed my EOS R with the RF 24-105 lens and compared it to my 5DIV with the EF 24-105 f/4 L lens (early version, not the current Mk II). The EOS R was 6 oz lighter. Not a big difference.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Blurryeyed wrote:

I really don't how the larger sensor makes much of... (show quote)

Blurry … interesting perspective, here … first:

"A new crop camera is generally capable of sharper images than a full frame" - ?????

"but they do not handle dynamic range was well" - yes, I agree with this …

"and in general perform worse than full frames at higher ISO's because of their smaller pixels."

And DSLRs like the 12mp Canon Rebel T3, and the 16MP Nikon D7000 - how do they fall in with this?

I suspect some of the earlier APS-C DSLRs with adequate MP can give some FF DSLRs quite a run.

Don't forget, one of the best performing FF MILCs is the 12MP a7s and a7s II ....

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Chris T wrote:

Blurry … interesting perspective, here … first: br... (show quote)

So you want to use a couple of older crops to compare to the newer full frames? How about you compare apples to apples, like the Canon 80D to the Canon 5DIV, if you enlarge the images to 400% you will see significantly more pixilation in the image created with the 5DIV, if you want to use a Canon T3 then you need to use a Canon 5DII for the comparison.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

I have Nikon and Olympus, (OM-D). I really love the format of M43 and I love seeing what I am going to get with the EVF. It a big plus for me. Some still prefer optical. My OM-D has become my everyday carrying around, adventure, and travel camera. I still use the Nikons for creative work and studio work, but they seem big and heavy and it takes longer to get set up for a shot with the optical viewfinder.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts on the Canon and on the mirrorless vs DSLR experience.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Blurryeyed wrote:

So you want to use a couple of older crops to compare to the newer full frames? How about you compare apples to apples, like the Canon 80D to the Canon 5DIV, if you enlarge the images to 400% you will see significantly more pixilation in the image created with the 5DIV, if you want to use a Canon T3 then you need to use a Canon 5DII for the comparison.

Just happen to OWN those two older crops. Just came out of my assessment of YOUR comment ….

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

LFingar wrote:

1) <snip>6) Heck, I bet B&H, Adorama, Canon, and a bunch of others would be happy to sell you one! Go for it! What else are you going to do with your money other then pay bills and put food on the table? Convince your family that one meal a day is a new, healthier lifestyle!

My wife is a vegan who believes in the restricted calorie diet. She barely eats anything now. I am afraid that is not an option.

But it was a good idea, thank you.

rydabyk Loc: Florida Panhandle

LFingar wrote:

Ask me in a week! Just got it this morning. I already like the auto-focus and the EVF but there is still a lot to learn about it. Heck, the digital manual is about 640 pages long! I may even try reading some of the manual BEFORE I screw up, instead of after!

I got mine about a month ago and I love it. Youtube was my friend, I think one of the better ones was from froknowsfoto or something like that. He went over the entire menu. Enjoy your new camera.

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

Chris T wrote:

Ah, but will it have 5-way IBIS, like most of the Sony FF MILCs, and the competing Nikon Z6 / Z7 ???

No way of knowing yet. It's release is only a rumor.