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Dec 30, 2018 18:25:25   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
jaycoffman wrote:
I had always agreed with you about zoos and even now with some of the best I feel horrible for some of the animals that really should be left in the wild. However, upon moving to San Diego and right next to the zoo I've modified my thoughts. This zoo is particularly clean and the animals are really well cared for (not only from observation but also from our neighbor/friend who is a zoo keeper there and works with the animal health). This zoo is also very good at outreach and education and makes a big deal of pointing out the status of the animals in the wild and how at risk they are and why. They also have an international breeding program that helps some species be returned to the wild. However, this does not completely make me feel really good about captive animals so it's a constant balancing for me.
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Additionally, many zoos and aquariums are sanctuaries and rescue organizations. There are many creatures that were rescued from poachers and illegal trading that can't be returned to the wild because of damage done to them. Some creatures are rehabilitated from injuries but those injuries prevent them from returning to the wild because they could not feed, fight, or flight. This bald eagle at the San Diego Zoo's Safari Park is one such injured creature that gets to live out its life in the care of loving professionals. It cannot fly, so it would never survive back in the wild.



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Dec 30, 2018 19:07:28   #
EllieLady Loc: So. CA, USA
 
DavidPine wrote:
Sure. The specific image is from the Falconry exhibit at the Dallas, Texas Zoo. I was invited inside the exhibit to select whatever location I wanted to make images. I had a blast and made a whole series of images which I shared with the Zoo and the keepers.

The flying raptor is an amazing shot, and I just have to see it again !!! WOW !!!!!

Do you know what species ???



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Dec 30, 2018 19:10:12   #
Robertl594 Loc: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan and Nantucket
 
suntouched wrote:
My own personal bias but I hate to see animals that are meant to run free kept in captivity in too small, dirty areas with everyone gawking at them. I hate zoos!


I’m with you. I did go to the zoo a few times to take pics but I got disgusted. Started taking pictures of humans instead. Zoos are out of date and should be banned and dismantled. I guess the butterfly houses are ok though.
RL

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Dec 30, 2018 19:19:31   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
My primary camera set up is a Nikon D850 and a Nikon 300mm f/2.8. When the animals are behind wire I shoot at f/2.8, single servo, ISO under 500 and as fast a shutter speed as the exposure will allow. I do tend to shoot on the under-exposed side, cloudy white balance and always RAW. I never shoot JPGs. I process in LR Classic, Photoshop 2019 and I sometimes use plugins from On1 and Topaz Studio. My minimum acceptable zoom lens is a Nikon 70-200 f/2.8. I never use flash in a zoo setting. It would be rare for me to shoot through glass or plastic. I may visit the same animal 5 or 6 times in a visit or until I get a reasonable shot. Primates are the most difficult as they tend to turn their backs to cameras. Orangutangs especially. Shooting in a zoo is fun and I sometimes just watch the animals for pure enjoyment.
canonclicker wrote:
David Pine, do you mind telling us what camera you used? The portrait of the Eagle is the most outstanding photo I've seen in a long time. The color, focus, lighting, etc. is exciting. I would like a better camera and keep looking for the focal aspects of a new camera. My minimum acceptable zoom lens is a Nikon 70-200 f/2.8. I never use flash in a zoo setting. It would be rare for me to shoot through glass or plastic. I may visit the same animal 5 or 6 times in a visit or until I get a reasonable shot. Primates are the most difficult as they tend to turn their backs to cameras. Orangutangs especially. Shooting in a zoo is fun and I sometimes just watch the animals for pure enjoyment.

Don't tell me it is a Hasselbad.
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Dec 30, 2018 19:56:23   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
suntouched wrote:
My own personal bias but I hate to see animals that are meant to run free kept in captivity in too small, dirty areas with everyone gawking at them. I hate zoos!


Sometimes the alternative is extinction. You have an old concept of a zoo. Now, the large ones are the bastion of animal conservation. Ever visit one lately? I suppose it helps that I live within 60 miles of 4 world class zoos, San Diego Zoo, its Safari Park, Los Angeles Zoo, and the Living Desert near Palm Springs.

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Dec 30, 2018 20:24:44   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Robertl594 wrote:
I’m with you. I did go to the zoo a few times to take pics but I got disgusted. Started taking pictures of humans instead. Zoos are out of date and should be banned and dismantled. I guess the butterfly houses are ok though.
RL



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Dec 30, 2018 20:33:36   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
hassighedgehog wrote:
Sometimes the alternative is extinction. You have an old concept of a zoo. Now, the large ones are the bastion of animal conservation. Ever visit one lately? I suppose it helps that I live within 60 miles of 4 world class zoos, San Diego Zoo, its Safari Park, Los Angeles Zoo, and the Living Desert near Palm Springs.


At what point would you be ok with being taken from your home to be put in a cage and being looked at? You have every right to like and go anywhere you want to, including zoos. But please don’t use silly reasons why zoos are beneficial for animals.

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Dec 30, 2018 20:39:22   #
Thurber Mingus
 
Tommy, the Fort Worth Zoo is an excellent place for photography, even without a special "photo op". The following were taken with either a 24-70 or a 100-400, all in late morning or early afternoon.


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Dec 30, 2018 20:46:16   #
jdub82 Loc: Northern California
 
DavidPine wrote:
The Fort Worth Zoo, Dallas Zoo, Cameron Park Zoo (Waco), Fossil Rim Wildlife Reserve, Houston Zoo, San Antonio Zoo, Abilene Zoo, Victoria Zoo, Gladys Park Zoo, Tyler Zoo and the Austin Rescue Zoo are real jewels in Texas. They all strive to provide good habitats, living environments, quality food and superior medical care to their animals. People that disclaim or dislike zoos are working with little to no knowledge of what zoos really provide in the day and time. If it wasn't for the efforts of the zoos many of the species would never again be seen on earth. The white tigers are extinct in the wild and only 400 are maintained in the zoo shelters. The snow leopard will soon be extinct if hunting persists as with many other species. The zoos I mentioned and many others place the welfare of the animals above the entertainment of the general public. The Bronx Zoo in New York does extensive research as does the San Diego Zoo. If you know of something a zoo does that might harm or put a zoo animal in danger all you need to do is file a complaint with the FDA. The biggest difference in making images in zoos versus Africa is the cost of transportation and the expense of a guide. They put you in a 4 by 4 and drive you close to the lions, gorillas, elephants or other exotics. By the way, it's a show and tourist adventure. How do you think they keep the animals close to the vehicle routes? They plant food of course and sometime the food is live and staked out. If you are anti-zoo, I suggest that you get involved and discover the facts. The zoos are great photo adventures and not near as easy as you might think. I do photography in zoos across the United States, some more often than others, and I find it challenging and rewarding. $10 is a small fee to pay for a photo shoot at the Fort Worth Zoo. Have a wonderful time. It's one of my personal favorites. The Rooster image is a personal favorite of a bird who chooses to live at the Austin Rescue Zoo and kind of rules-the roost so to speak.
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Excellent post about the important work zoos and animal sanctuaries are doing. I'm originally from San Diego which has both an incredible zoo and a safari park. They have been doing great work in animal conservation and protection of endangered species for many years. Fantastic images!

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Dec 30, 2018 21:13:41   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
You are so full of crap.
Robertl594 wrote:
I’m with you. I did go to the zoo a few times to take pics but I got disgusted. Started taking pictures of humans instead. Zoos are out of date and should be banned and dismantled. I guess the butterfly houses are ok though.
RL

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Dec 30, 2018 21:15:39   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
You have your head up your rear and you espouse crap.
tdekany wrote:
At what point would you be ok with being taken from your home to be put in a cage and being looked at? You have every right to like and go anywhere you want to, including zoos. But please don’t use silly reasons why zoos are beneficial for animals.

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Dec 30, 2018 21:40:21   #
tommy2 Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
 
Thurber Mingus wrote:
Tommy, the Fort Worth Zoo is an excellent place for photography, even without a special "photo op". The following were taken with either a 24-70 or a 100-400, all in late morning or early afternoon.

Thank you Thurber, those are excellent images along all the others on this thread!
There have been so many I want to go out tomorrow to prepare myself for the shoot which is several months away. Seriously, the info sent to this thread has been overwhelmingly great. Maybe I’ve stumbled into a new phase in my photography hobby. Regards, Tommy

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Dec 30, 2018 21:47:39   #
jaycoffman Loc: San Diego
 
DavidPine wrote:
You are so full of crap.


Wow, you are so articulate. There are two sides to zoos and in a forum like this it's much more to all of our benefit if we could really explain why we like or don't like a point of view. It's pretty unproductive to simply attack the messenger which is what you seem to be doing.

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Dec 30, 2018 21:57:56   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
DavidPine wrote:
You have your head up your rear and you espouse crap.


Would you like to be in a cage? You must miss slavery.

One must really lack empathy to think that it is ok for the human animal to enslave another species for his selfish reasons.

Happy 2019 to you!

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Dec 30, 2018 22:46:43   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
Question-"if it were not for properly operated zoos, many species would be extinct". Is the idea to breed these species within a zoo environment to return them to the wild or will they and their offspring always be institutionalized to prevent extinction? If that is the case then is the inevitable just being delayed for our education and enjoyment?

With no disrespect intended, I do think that raising awareness about wildlife protection can be accomplished just as effectively outside of a zoo environment.

Rescuing animals with the intention of returning them to their natural environment is another situation that I have no problem with.

The last zoo I visited was in Portland (Or) and it was a very sad experience. I don't know how the Portland Zoo compares with others but I decided then I never would step foot in a zoo again. Personal bias.


thephotoman wrote:
Suntouched, if it were not for properly operated zoos, many species would be extict. Also, zoos help to educate people about wild animals. This translates into more donations for wildlife protection. Until we end wildlife poaching and trophy killing, zoos will be an invaluable resource to prevent extinction of some animal species.
I hate to see animals in cages. The organization that certifies zoos is continually raising the requirements for captive animals.

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