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Dec 30, 2018 15:34:42   #
thephotoman Loc: Rochester, NY
 
David, these are high quality photos. They all look like they may have been taken in the wild. I love the poses, color and detail.

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Dec 30, 2018 16:38:11   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Thank you. I never hide the fact that I shoot in zoos across the country. I do not state "Hey, this is a zoo image!" When I sell an image, I donate 100% to a zoo. I don't hide what I do from zoo officials – they aren't dumb. I don't get releases because I haven't found them necessary. I have had many images stolen and I have caught a few satisfactorily. The holy than thou crowd that preaches rules and regulations are usually the first to violate standards. I have never had an issue with a zoo. I have issues with hall monitors who are not unlike grammar nazis. I have issues with those that purport to be animal advocates and don't know what they are talking about and never puts money in the till. This little rant wasn't spurred by anything you said but by a few pitas that made snides.
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David, these are high quality photos. They all look like they may have been taken in the wild. I love the poses, color and detail.


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Dec 30, 2018 16:45:08   #
Bill P
 
Many zoos that are AZA accredited offer reciprocal memberships, if you are a member of one you can get into any. If you go to a zoo that is not accredited you should probably just turn around and walk out, they probably aren't because they cant meet the high standards for care and such.

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Dec 30, 2018 16:56:55   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Bill P wrote:
Many zoos that are AZA accredited offer reciprocal memberships, if you are a member of one you can get into any. If you go to a zoo that is not accredited you should probably just turn around and walk out, they probably aren't because they cant meet the high standards for care and such.
Don't walk out. Take some pictures and if you see anything untoward contact the FDA and file a complaint.

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Dec 30, 2018 17:12:13   #
jaycoffman Loc: San Diego
 
EllieLady wrote:
In 1981, observing a lone gorilla, confined behind bars in a small cage within the Central Park Zoo, was one of the saddest moments of my life.

That said, the movement of zoos & wild animal parks toward natural habitat enclosures must proceed - - these facilities are, in many cases, going to be the only safeguard between survival and extinction of many endangered species.
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Nicely stated--I've had those same hopeless and depressing moments seeing some animal behind bars and I've also come to realize that zoos represent a good tool for saving the populations and educating the people as to the threats and consequences of extinction.

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Dec 30, 2018 17:19:22   #
jaycoffman Loc: San Diego
 
DavidPine wrote:
Thank you. I never hide the fact that I shoot in zoos across the country. I do not state "Hey, this is a zoo image!" When I sell an image, I donate 100% to a zoo. I don't hide what I do from zoo officials – they aren't dumb. I don't get releases because I haven't found them necessary. I have had many images stolen and I have caught a few satisfactorily. The holy than thou crowd that preaches rules and regulations are usually the first to violate standards. I have never had an issue with a zoo. I have issues with hall monitors who are not unlike grammar nazis. I have issues with those that purport to be animal advocates and don't know what they are talking about and never puts money in the till. This little rant wasn't spurred by anything you said but by a few pitas that made snides.
Thank you. I never hide the fact that I shoot in z... (show quote)


David - these are wonderful photos and I very much appreciate your rant. I hope you do not mind but I would really like to send a copy of the bird in flight to my friend. She was a raptor specialist in the Peregrin Fund Birds of Prey Center in Boise for many years and now she's living in Roatan so doesn't quite get to see these particular birds. I won't send if for a couple of day so please pm me if you have any objections. Keep shooting...

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Dec 30, 2018 17:23:31   #
EllieLady Loc: So. CA, USA
 
thephotoman wrote:
Suntouched, if it were not for properly operated zoos, many species would be extict. Also, zoos help to educate people about wild animals. This translates into more donations for wildlife protection. Until we end wildlife poaching and trophy killing, zoos will be an invaluable resource to prevent extinction of some animal species.
I hate to see animals in cages. The organization that certifies zoos is continually raising the requirements for captive animals.


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Dec 30, 2018 17:23:33   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Sure. The specific image is from the Falconry exhibit at the Dallas, Texas Zoo. I was invited inside the exhibit to select whatever location I wanted to make images. I had a blast and made a whole series of images which I shared with the Zoo and the keepers.
jaycoffman wrote:
David - these are wonderful photos and I very much appreciate your rant. I hope you do not mind but I would really like to send a copy of the bird in flight to my friend. She was a raptor specialist in the Peregrin Fund Birds of Prey Center in Boise for many years and now she's living in Roatan so doesn't quite get to see these particular birds. I won't send if for a couple of day so please pm me if you have any objections. Keep shooting...

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Dec 30, 2018 17:24:25   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
DavidPine wrote:
The Fort Worth Zoo, Dallas Zoo, Cameron Park Zoo (Waco), Fossil Rim Wildlife Reserve, Houston Zoo, San Antonio Zoo, Abilene Zoo, Victoria Zoo, Gladys Park Zoo, Tyler Zoo and the Austin Rescue Zoo are real jewels in Texas. They all strive to provide good habitats, living environments, quality food and superior medical care to their animals. People that disclaim or dislike zoos are working with little to no knowledge of what zoos really provide in the day and time. If it wasn't for the efforts of the zoos many of the species would never again be seen on earth. The white tigers are extinct in the wild and only 400 are maintained in the zoo shelters. The snow leopard will soon be extinct if hunting persists as with many other species. The zoos I mentioned and many others place the welfare of the animals above the entertainment of the general public. The Bronx Zoo in New York does extensive research as does the San Diego Zoo. If you know of something a zoo does that might harm or put a zoo animal in danger all you need to do is file a complaint with the FDA. The biggest difference in making images in zoos versus Africa is the cost of transportation and the expense of a guide. They put you in a 4 by 4 and drive you close to the lions, gorillas, elephants or other exotics. By the way, it's a show and tourist adventure. How do you think they keep the animals close to the vehicle routes? They plant food of course and sometime the food is live and staked out. If you are anti-zoo, I suggest that you get involved and discover the facts. The zoos are great photo adventures and not near as easy as you might think. I do photography in zoos across the United States, some more often than others, and I find it challenging and rewarding. $10 is a small fee to pay for a photo shoot at the Fort Worth Zoo. Have a wonderful time. It's one of my personal favorites. The Rooster image is a personal favorite of a bird who chooses to live at the Austin Rescue Zoo and kind of rules-the roost so to speak.
The Fort Worth Zoo, Dallas Zoo, Cameron Park Zoo (... (show quote)


Beautiful work.

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Dec 30, 2018 17:26:50   #
EllieLady Loc: So. CA, USA
 
jaycoffman wrote:
Nicely stated--I've had those same hopeless and depressing moments seeing some animal behind bars and I've also come to realize that zoos represent a good tool for saving the populations and educating the people as to the threats and consequences of extinction.


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Dec 30, 2018 17:26:58   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
DavidPine wrote:
Don't walk out. Take some pictures and if you see anything untoward contact the FDA and file a complaint.

Absolutely! That would deprive you of a lot of opportunities.

There are plenty of places, many of them privately run, to get access to animals In other than “full service” zoos. Some are simply for-profit tourist attractions. You should be able to find out about their reputation with a little research.

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Dec 30, 2018 17:33:33   #
EllieLady Loc: So. CA, USA
 
selmslie wrote:
Absolutely! That would deprive you of a lot of opportunities.

There are plenty of places, many of them privately run, to get access to animals In other than “full service” zoos. Some are simply for-profit tourist attractions. You should be able to find out about their reputation with a little research.

And if anything is truly amiss with any animal, the caretaking or the habitats, there isn't EVER anything more productive than a picture being worth MORE than 1,000 words !!!

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Dec 30, 2018 17:33:36   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Tom DePuy wrote:
Joel's misson and photo's are great.....now if only WE coould get in the places that he and his crew have access too


Maybe you can if you ask. Over the years we have gotten permits to drive and photograph on state beaches that were otherwise enforced for fishing only.

My sister and brother in law got permission to dock over night at the Circle Line Dock at Bear Mountain, NY. All they did was ask in writing, the permit came in the mail with one provision ... be gone when the big boat is ready to dock.

There are a few other times we got permission for things just by asking.

I had to show photographs to get into a closed area of an NWR. I gave them a dozen 11 x 14's and got a lifetime permit. I just had to leave a phone message before going in and after leaving.

A lot of places have restrictions out of necessity, but love to share if someone shows a special interest.

Good Luck!

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Dec 30, 2018 17:33:36   #
jaycoffman Loc: San Diego
 
DavidPine wrote:
Sure. The specific image is from the Falconry exhibit at the Dallas, Texas Zoo. I was invited inside the exhibit to select whatever location I wanted to make images. I had a blast and made a whole series of images which I shared with the Zoo and the keepers.


Thanks, I'm sure she'll love it and I'll pass along how it came to be.

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Dec 30, 2018 17:50:36   #
canonclicker
 
David Pine, do you mind telling us what camera you used? The portrait of the Eagle is the most outstanding photo I've seen in a long time. The color, focus, lighting, etc. is exciting. I would like a better camera and keep looking for the focal aspects of a new camera.

Don't tell me it is a Hasselbad.

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