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Dec 10, 2018 20:39:10   #
tvj2
 
I enjoy having my photos with the digital mats. I do not see anything wrong with people expressing their opinion on photo and/or mat. We put it out there for any positive comments or any criticisms and people are free to express their opinions! It probably won't change my mind on matted photos because I actually like doing it :), but I do like comments good or bad on my photos - always learning!!!!

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Dec 10, 2018 20:46:08   #
Dixiegirl Loc: Alabama gulf coast
 
It depends on the image. If it's a documentary type, I'd say present it without mat or frame. However, I think a mat or mat and frame looks nice with fine art photography but is not necessary. I haven't looked over all the comments, Linda, so if someone has already offered the same, please excuse.

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Dec 10, 2018 20:47:27   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Soul Dr. wrote:
Linda, when I post images online, I prefer to use a thin black border around them.
This is a way to differentiate my images from other posters' images. I guess you could say it is a part of my style.

Will


That is remarkably effective, Will. The illusion that is created (at least for me) is that I am looking through an opening in the page and into a 3 dimensional scene.

Mike

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Dec 10, 2018 20:50:10   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
artBob wrote:
Depends on the audience. "Serious" photographers do not mat their work on the web. In real life, the only acceptable mats are neutral, with modest framing--"we are not decorators, but artists" seems to be the guiding principle.

For displaying your work for sale at venues other than high-end, framing/matting may be acceptable. I wouldn't, because it just adds one more thing that may jar someone else's taste and criticism, and more importantly, why? If the work needs some "boosting," it might be better to go back to work on the image.
Depends on the audience. "Serious" photo... (show quote)


Every image is going to be seen in some sort of visual context. Why not exercise some control over that with matting and framing?

Mike

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Dec 10, 2018 20:55:08   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Dave (Uuglypher) started a great thread about matting a while back.

Enhancing Perceived Depth in Images via Artistic Matting

Mike

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Dec 11, 2018 00:41:39   #
Linda2 Loc: Yakima Wa.
 
Interesting subject! In thinking about it I try not to let the online use of mats and frames influence my thoughts of an image. I really believe I prefer just the image but that may be because bigger is better!
I certainly do understand the fun of picking out mats and frames though because I was a professional framer and gallery owner for 28 years and what fun it was! I do know it was always more of a challenge to mat photos as opposed to prints and paintings and most of the pro photographers always went with shades of white and simple frames as opposed to others who were framing a piece to go with other decor which isn't bad but maybe always wasn't the best choice for the piece.
But back to this site, to me, if a photo has a lot of detail and you want to download and look at everything, a border doesn't enhance, but if it is a shot of some one thing that takes up most of the frame such as a pet or a flower against a very plain background then an extra border can be quite effective. If you are matting and framing just remember the mat should always be wider than the frame or else the image gets that squeezed in look. A wider mat lets your eye zoom right into the image, but there I go back to my framing days again!☺️ Of course all of this is just my own humble opinion. Most of all do what pleases you.

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Dec 11, 2018 05:45:33   #
Alsweet Loc: Gold Coast, Australia
 
As a judge, presentation is regarded as part of the judging process.
It doesn't matter whether it is an actual print or a digital image- it is up to the artist to present that image in the best way possible.
Would you present a print without a border or matt?
Digitally, it may simply be a thin line or a fancy frame- whatever you present, expect it to be judged.
There is no right or wrong; you be the judge!
Enjoy what you do- rest assured you will always find someone who will find fault with whatever you do!!

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Dec 11, 2018 06:24:46   #
Paulco2 Loc: Gettysburg PA
 
I would expect that anything posted would be fair game for comments, good or otherwise. Framing and/or matting can significantly enhance and image, but if not done properly they can detract from the image. As always, the photographer is usually trying to achieve something specific in their presentation and it is useful to hear what others see in it.

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Dec 11, 2018 06:37:13   #
BlueMorel Loc: Southwest Michigan
 
When presented on here for a critique, a virtual border becomes fair game. It can either add or distract and the presenter should expect comments. I'd expect the same were I to present a photo of a framed photo - what do you think about the frame?

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Dec 11, 2018 06:51:00   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Agree: "My opinion is that the mat and/or frame is part of the whole and appropriate to be included in feedback."

Choice of frame must involve how the frame functions in relation to the photograph as a whole. They both go together.

Ideally, the frame sets off the content of the photograph in such a way as to bring viewers to center their attention on the content. This assertion rests on the assumption that the photographer wants the viewer first to pay attention to his photograph, and secondarily if at all to notice the frame surrounding it.

This is not a trivial subject but akin to composition and the effort in camera to frame the subject in the best way to flatter it. This business brings into play the eye of the photographer whose perception and experience will inform him how to present his work for appreciation.
Linda From Maine wrote:
Recently in both For Your Consideration and Landscape Forum, two photographers posted photos with fairly large mats/frames around their images. Much of the feedback involved the like/dislike of those mats.

Obviously, it's up to the photographer how to present his/her image to an online forum. My questions:

- If you are the photographer, is it reasonable to assume that respondents will make observations about the size/color/style of your choices, or should they comment only on the photo?

- If you are the viewer, do you assume that the photographer expects you to comment on the mat/frame as part of your feedback?

My opinion is that the mat and/or frame is part of the whole and appropriate to be included in feedback. Some sites offer frames for you to add as a final step in posting (fredmiranda.com is one). I went through a period where everything I posted to UHH had double-mats, similar to how you might select at a print shop. A lot of other people here were doing same at the time. It was fun attempting to choose a combination of size and colors that would (hopefully) enhance the image.

Your thoughts, experience, advice? Feel free to post photo examples!
Recently in both For Your Consideration and Landsc... (show quote)

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Dec 11, 2018 06:57:54   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I think that large "surrounds" work better in actual, physical frames. In online images, they are more of a novelty or a decoration. Just my opinion.

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Dec 11, 2018 07:27:59   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
I believe one must look at the image as a whole as presented. Here, I think a single, narrow stroke around an image adds to its attractiveness, though I seldom do it. Large borders can get in the way, although I liked the one in question yesterday very much.

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Dec 11, 2018 07:53:47   #
neilds37 Loc: Port Angeles, WA
 
When I do frame a contribution online I would hope the comments to include the whole. IMO, the mat and frame can make or break a photo. In a judged venue I think the intent should be made clear - is it to be judged as it appears on the wall, or is it to be the merits of the photo.

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Dec 11, 2018 08:18:37   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Recently in both For Your Consideration and Landscape Forum, two photographers posted photos with fairly large mats/frames around their images. Much of the feedback involved the like/dislike of those mats.

Obviously, it's up to the photographer how to present his/her image to an online forum. My questions:

- If you are the photographer, is it reasonable to assume that respondents will make observations about the size/color/style of your choices, or should they comment only on the photo?

- If you are the viewer, do you assume that the photographer expects you to comment on the mat/frame as part of your feedback?

My opinion is that the mat and/or frame is part of the whole and appropriate to be included in feedback. Some sites offer frames for you to add as a final step in posting (fredmiranda.com is one). I went through a period where everything I posted to UHH had double-mats, similar to how you might select at a print shop. A lot of other people here were doing same at the time. It was fun attempting to choose a combination of size and colors that would (hopefully) enhance the image.

Your thoughts, experience, advice? Feel free to post photo examples!
Recently in both For Your Consideration and Landsc... (show quote)


IMHO if a mat is applied to a photo via post processing, it is part of the photo. As such it is appropriate to common it.

Personally, I do not like this type of mat. I mat many of my own photos. And, when so doing, any post processing mat, I find, gets in the way and I would probably remove it.
Steve

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Dec 11, 2018 08:23:55   #
JennT Loc: South Central PA
 
In my work, I see the tiny stroke as a period for some images, some do not need it , others --it enhances--- Sometimes I use a mat as the images reminds me of one that may have been printed in a wet darkroom--

Mats, stories can distract, or may enhance--- depends upon!

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