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Nov 9, 2018 11:10:33   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Fun way to introduce a discussion on "Why do we love photography?" Self expression is high on my list, too. Plus camera gear is a lot of fun to have and play with.


Yes. It is really fun. Thanks for watching.

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Nov 9, 2018 11:10:52   #
Bubbee Loc: Aventura, Florida
 
My last reply because everyone has their own definition of Art. Ansel Adams used his camera as a palette and planned his photos laboriously in order to get the right blend of light and shadows; and then he spent hours in the darkroom creating bona fide 'works of Art'. I respect your opinion, but I believe there is a big difference between snapshots, photographs, and 'works of art'.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

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Nov 9, 2018 11:16:54   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
Gasman57 wrote:
It gives me a way to develop the images in my mind.(maybe wrong section)


To show what we were feeling at that time. To show our inner selves. From purity to
ugliness and everything in between. Photography is an Art even when its output
is not.

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Nov 9, 2018 11:47:04   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
traderjohn wrote:
In the exposing of "my emulsions" is it really art? To me, if you take a manufactured product that is composed of metal, plastic, and glass. Then you take a variety of pictures with manipulated settings on your machine. You then take the plastic "card" and upload it to another manufactured product. You use another form of a manufactured software program that someone else designed you move a bunch of sliders around. Then having completed the process, you proclaim your self an artist. No. You are a photographer. Nothing wrong with that. Find something else to satisfy your ego.
In the exposing of "my emulsions" is it ... (show quote)


Wow... A hard one to reply with humor... Should I give it a try or should I let my alter ego do so ?
Let's see... The same analogy could be extended to any form of Art (you and UNDERSTAND the
concept, right ?). Music. Whichever instrument you pick on a symphonic or philharmonic orchestra
or a rock band IS a manufactured product and can be manipulated by means of electronic devices.
I Play guitars. Theater. Just paper and ink taken into stage by actors. Good or bad, whatever...
someone will enjoy it. Sculpture. Did Michaelangelo carved those blocks barehanded ?

I could go on and Ono... (pun intended, it is not a typo)

I think people that get into any form of Art MUST have sensibility or, at least, try to
develop it through living it. You, Sir, is a bitter person. Something like a Campari or
a lager beer, which carries an Art on their production and development.

My ego does not need to be satisfied. It satisfies itself with accomplishments.
You see... ? More than two centuries of emulsions and no one came up with that
phrase. Except for me. Wish it were yours ? I do not think so... Jealousy is not
a good thing for the Human being, it only make us even bitter.

I do not know what made you this way, but, Sir, you are a work of art.

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Nov 9, 2018 11:48:28   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
Bubbee wrote:
Not nice, traderjohn! How about Ansel Adams...and many many more photographers who labor over their work to create beautiful things of beauty!
I'm in awe at some of the works displayed here...Looks like Art to me!


Thanks for the support and for reading.

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Nov 9, 2018 11:49:05   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Second that.


Thanks for your support.

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Nov 9, 2018 11:51:28   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I agree with cameraf4: "Exposing my emulsions" is clever and fun. Thank you for the smile, Anhanga Brasil!

Re Gasman57's "develop the images in my mind" - whether using the camera exclusively (composition, light, exposure, depth of field and motion) or creating your final vision within the digital darkroom, the joy and art of photographic expression is boundless.


Thank you for your kind words, Linda.

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Nov 9, 2018 12:06:49   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
SDigger wrote:
What is ART? Most art is created with the use of tools. Art is artificial. A painter uses tools and manufactured products to create something. Likewise the sculptor. The writer needs tools as well, pencil, paper or computer; you get my point. The oral tradition of storytelling needs no tools other than the one common to all the creative processes, imagination. Some skill in whatever endeavor is attempted is a great help. Garry Winogrand, one of the photography teachers who influenced my understanding and vision, defined art as "the convergence of form and content." Each of these two elements threatens to overwhelm the other. Many of the Hedgehog discussions are about form, i.e. choice of lenses, shutter speed, aperture, ISO, etc. These discussions are important because we all can learn from each other. On the content side of the equation, there is not much need for discussion, either the photograph tells the story well, or it doesn't. I believe many of us have had good ideas that did not work out because we did not manipulate our camera properly. Perhaps we have also had technically good photographs that did not "speak," or adequately tell the story.

I will now step down from my soapbox.
What is ART? Most art is created with the use of t... (show quote)


Interesting. Just replied by citing almost the same examples you used.
Anyway... it was not my intention to cause so much convulsion.
It was just a phrase that came to me while reading to a passage from
one of Ansel Adams books for the thousandth time.

Please, could you be gentle enough to explain the expression
"step down from my soapbox" ? TIA.

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Nov 9, 2018 12:19:36   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
Longshadow wrote:

Many photographers have artist's eyes, some do not.
To me photography is a medium, like oils, pastels, etc.
Some people can use that medium to a great extent, creating art.


Missed this second post of yours.
I agree at some extent with your comment. E.g., Miró
used canvas, oils, pastels, etc... Art ? Yes, it is. I personally
do not like his paintings. As well as I do not Like Picasso and
others. That is what I said: the output may be Art, or not, but
the MEDIA use IS Art. Even if it does not delight or is commercially
viable...

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Nov 9, 2018 12:28:07   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
Bubbee wrote:
My last reply because everyone has their own definition of Art. Ansel Adams used his camera as a palette and planned his photos laboriously in order to get the right blend of light and shadows; and then he spent hours in the darkroom creating bona fide 'works of Art'. I respect your opinion, but I believe there is a big difference between snapshots, photographs, and 'works of art'.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!


Please, before posting a reply click on "Quote Reply". I do not know to whom
you are replying. Sorry.

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Nov 9, 2018 12:30:52   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Anhanga Brasil wrote:
Wow... A hard one to reply with humor... Should I give it a try or should I let my alter ego do so ?
Let's see... The same analogy could be extended to any form of Art (you and UNDERSTAND the
concept, right ?). Music. Whichever instrument you pick on a symphonic or philharmonic orchestra
or a rock band IS a manufactured product and can be manipulated by means of electronic devices.
I Play guitars. Theater. Just paper and ink take into stage by actors. Good or bad, whatever...
someone will enjoy it. Sculpture. Did Michaelangelo carved those blocks barehanded ?

I could go on and Ono... (pun intended, it is not a typo)

I think people that get into any form of Art MUST have sensibility or, at least, try to
develop it through living it. You, Sir, is a bitter person. Something like a Campari or
a lager beer, which carries an Art on their production and development.

My ego does not need to be satisfied. It satisfies itself with accomplishments.
You see... ? More than two centuries of emulsions and no one came up with that
phrase. Except for me. Wish it were yours ? I do not think so... Jealousy is not
a good thing for the Human being, it only make us even bitter.

I do not know what made you this way, but, Sir, you are a work of art.
Wow... A hard one to reply with humor... Should I ... (show quote)



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Nov 9, 2018 12:43:38   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Anhanga Brasil wrote:
... explain the expression "step down from my soapbox" ?
"A soapbox is a raised platform on which one stands to make an impromptu speech, often about a political subject. The term originates from the days when speakers would elevate themselves by standing on a wooden crate originally used for shipment of soap or other dry goods from a manufacturer to a retail store."

More of the history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapbox#Origins_of_the_term

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Nov 9, 2018 12:58:49   #
scsdesphotography Loc: Southeastern Michigan
 
First Anhanga, that is one of the most humorous lines about photography I have read in a while, is it yours or were you quoting someone? Traderjoe, I know your messing with us, as this topic in various ways seems to come up fairly often in this forum. This is a good thing, we need to periodically exam our motives and skills, everyone here wants to grow and improve their photographic abilities. However, to define photography as anything but an art form is to totally miss the whole point of the photographic process. Really!

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Nov 9, 2018 13:01:44   #
Jeannie88
 
Trader John, I feel that my shooting expresses my creativity.It is all in the how am I shooting, what am I trying to tell etc

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Nov 9, 2018 13:06:00   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
"A soapbox is a raised platform on which one stands to make an impromptu speech, often about a political subject. The term originates from the days when speakers would elevate themselves by standing on a wooden crate originally used for shipment of soap or other dry goods from a manufacturer to a retail store."

More of the history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapbox#Origins_of_the_term

.


Thank you for the explanation.
We have joke in Brazil in which a candidate for council grabbed
a crate of beer bottles and started to talk. A bunch of people gathered
around and, as the speech elongated almost everyone has left,
except for one guy. The candidate thanked him effusively and asked him:
"What in my speech has made you stay here ?"
The guy replied:
"I have to take this crate back to the bar before my boss return".

No matter where, sometimes we do not even notice, we always carry
something in common. Cheers.

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