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Oct 13, 2011 00:26:26   #
lesv Loc: warren pa
 
my first computer was as a dell, i had to call tech support i was told by dell i could have an English speaking support person for $99.99 i have never bought dell products again

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Oct 13, 2011 02:23:53   #
Annabelle
 
lesv wrote:
my first computer was as a dell, i had to call tech support i was told by dell i could have an English speaking support person for $99.99 i have never bought dell products again


Yes, Dell has had some serious customer service issues in recent years, but they do seem to be trying to fix it. I bought the full support package because it wasn't that expensive but the computer was and I am very glad I did. They have sent people to my house to repair problems I didn't even know I had (a bad hard drive, which I was sure was a software problem) ... But I've also had some very bad experiences with them, so i can understand how you feel. I like their computers. Their infrastructure leaves a lot to be desired.

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Oct 13, 2011 02:25:32   #
Annabelle
 
dongrant wrote:
I see the advice that you have been given here as good sound advice and the thing that scares me is that it sounds of if you have already tried a lot of it. If so it appears as if the time may be fast approaching when you must chose between one of four options. One, jump off the bridge by reinstalling the OS.
Two, get a Mac and start all over.
Three, sent the machine to a good local computer repair shop ( good luck finding one of those) and leave it there until it is fixed.
Four, start uninstall every app that is not critical. Most computers are overloaded with useless junk anyway. You may have something that runs in the background and you are totally unaware of it. Not uncommon with Windows apps Adobe in particular will do this. MicroSoft may be the evil empire, but after working the last 10 years as senior QA analyst I can tell you that Adobe caused us almost as much problems as the OS.
I see the advice that you have been given here as ... (show quote)


Adobe is a killer! Uses more memory than ANY other applications. Total hogs. They do what they do well, but you pay a price, lieterally and figuratively.

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Oct 13, 2011 04:38:42   #
lostjohn Loc: Evansville,Indiana
 
I been Useing UBUNTU The Other OS It Run In Windows Just Like You Install Other Programs .And If Don't Need It Any more Just Uninstall It Just Like Any Other Program. If I Can't Fix WIndows Right At Moment.You May Want To Check It Out http://www.ubuntu.com/download (It Works For me ) Here Some Informatin About How To Run It. If you’ve got Windows, you can run Ubuntu within your current system with the Windows installer (Wubi). That way, you can install and uninstall Ubuntu in the same way as any other Windows application. It's simple and safe.

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Oct 13, 2011 06:19:19   #
dongrant Loc: Earth, I think!
 
lostjohn wrote:
I been Useing UBUNTU The Other OS It Run In Windows Just Like You Install Other Programs .And If Don't Need It Any more Just Uninstall It Just Like Any Other Program. If I Can't Fix WIndows Right At Moment.You May Want To Check It Out http://www.ubuntu.com/download (It Works For me ) Here Some Informatin About How To Run It. If you’ve got Windows, you can run Ubuntu within your current system with the Windows installer (Wubi). That way, you can install and uninstall Ubuntu in the same way as any other Windows application. It's simple and safe.
I been Useing UBUNTU The Other OS It Run In Window... (show quote)


Ubuntu is a Linux distribution and has issues of it's own. With all of the Windows apps that the original poster says that she has the option of switching OSs appears to be off the table. As sad as it sounds it appears that the path that she has chosen, using the service that she has paid for, is the best recourse at this time. And most important, had you read the thread you would realize that the issue is her Windows is crashing. Therefore the option that you mention makes on sense.

There are a number of ways to improve her system in the future, but in her case, with all of her Widows apps an OS switch will probably never be one. At an extreme she may consider running a VM server, but that is an option that she should not be forced to take. There is no sane reason that she should not be able to run her system as she intended, using a Windows OS and Windows apps with a reasonable backup system. As painful as it is, I believe that the course that she has chosen, pushing Dell to fix the problem, is the correct action.

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Oct 13, 2011 08:41:09   #
Annabelle
 
When my computer started to go to blue screen and crash, I tracked down the source of the problem: an "Unknown Device" that lacked a driver. It had the ID: ACPI\NTC5572D.

Dell's technician assured me with great authority that the "Unknown Device" was a just an image, not a real device. It didn't actually exist. Therefore, my windows 7 operating system was corrupted and I would need to reinstall my operating system and rebuild my computer. Nor was I convinced that his explanation made sense.

Because I trust my instincts a lot more than I trust Dell's technical support staff, I kept hunting until I figured out that this device has a physical location on the PCI bridge .. and not only that, is part of a set of AMD components all having simiilar IDs. Once I saw that, I knew it was NOT some kind of "image," but an actual device that had lost its driver somehow.

As it turns out, he was so wrong I can't BEGIN to tell you how glad I am that I did not take his advice.

This "Unknown Device" is the IR receiver for my wireless Dell Inspiron One 2304 Touchscreen all in one computer. Without that component, it's remarkable the computer was working at all.

So the "Unknown Device" most certainly DOES exist. I kept hunting until I found a few posts from other Dell computer owners who had the identical problem and this was finally solved by providing the appropriate DRIVER from DELL. So for future reference, here is the actual solution to the problem.

The following web address takes you to a location from which you can download the driver. My system did NOT need reloading, Windows 7 is NOT corrupted and Dell's technical support staff are incompetent:

http://www.migee.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/R275865.zip

If it weren't for being aggravatingly persistent and convinced that there was really something wrong, I would have wound up rebuilding my system because of one missing driver that in fact is a Dell product.

I don't know why I persist in buying Dell products. They have dreadful customer support at a premium price.

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Oct 13, 2011 09:03:43   #
dongrant Loc: Earth, I think!
 
I'm glad to see that you found the problem. For my part I am sorry if anything that I said mislead you. I like, many others, felt your pain. You have been a very good sport to put up with us. We did wish to help. If nothing else, hope that we provided moral support. Have of good day:-).

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Oct 13, 2011 09:14:01   #
Annabelle
 
dongrant wrote:
I'm glad to see that you found the problem. For my part I am sorry if anything that I said mislead you. I like, many others, felt your pain. You have been a very good sport to put up with us. We did wish to help. If nothing else, hope that we provided moral support. Have of good day:-).


Oh, I appreciate it. And unlike Dell to whom I am paying a premium price, it was free advice. It was perfectly reasonable given what you knew.

The technician at Dell does not have any excuse except that they don't bother to train their tech support people. I'm really not a hardware person. I'm computer savvy and I'm good with most software, but I can't and won't even attempt to install a hard drive or anything like that. Not my territory. That's why I pay for a full boat warranty.

So I did their work for them. Great. Are they going to pay ME? Yeah, dream on!

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Oct 13, 2011 20:14:01   #
hflare Loc: Florida
 
dongrant wrote:
hflare wrote:
You might consider upgrading your window version...The blue screen of death in windows (is it's nick name) has been eliminated with some of the later windows programs.
I have not seen the blue screen of death in years on most of the systems I have worked on....

As your system is booting up and prior to you seeing the windows logo...tap the F8 key and it will take you into a menu option of booting up in a different mode...look on the list of choices and see if there is one which saids, "start with the last configuration that worked" and high light that one and and let it boot up...it will continue to boot up with that configuration from then on... good luck..
You might consider upgrading your window version..... (show quote)


I beg to differ. I am running Windows 7 and as recently as a couple of weeks ago I would get intermittent blue screens of death. I am sure that it was the blue screen of death, having work of a software company of 10 years as the senior QA analysis. It was my job to known. I my recent case of blue screen I found it to be a MS service patch had been downloaded to the PC for a service that I did not need so I disabled the service. WMPNetworkSvc. The problem disappeared. I had previously tried the revert of previous config that you describe, but the problems would still intermittently occur.
quote=hflare You might consider upgrading your wi... (show quote)


Yes there is the general rule and then there is the exception to the general rule..... I personally have not seen it in the last three windows os releases..and I work on computer every day...

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Oct 13, 2011 20:24:28   #
hflare Loc: Florida
 
Annabelle wrote:
dongrant wrote:
Which version of Windows are you running? Do you know how to access the Windows Event log? If so try to find an error that occurred just before the crash or if the problems is occurring on boot-up about the time of the last shut down. Google for the error. Your service people should have known to do this. If they did not you need someone else.


He did know what to do. I didn't want to do it. He wanted to reinstall the operating system. I need to at the very least, get through the project I'm working on first. So we've put a band aid on it, but I'm not sure we've solved the problem. It's still lurking there.

Windows is corrupted. It won't un-corrupt. There is only one remedy, but I'm not ready to dive into those waters yet. I have a few things to take care of first. Arrrrgh.
quote=dongrant Which version of Windows are you r... (show quote)


You do not have to re-install your windows operating system just yet...there are other options... if you have the windows installation disc..you can do a repair on your windows files without having any of your programs or files affected.

One boots up to the disc..and you procede as though you
are going to re-install the windows program..but at one screen
before you push the key to install there will be a key you can hit which will "repair" any corrupeted windows file and the disc will just go and check your windows files and if any are corrupted it will delete them and replace it with a new copy and it will not affect any of your personal programs or files..

You might want to look into that first.....

Have you attempted to restore your system back to a few weeks ago..with windows's restore feature ?

That can often take your system back to where you window files were not corrupted...

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Oct 13, 2011 20:33:33   #
hflare Loc: Florida
 
The HP computer I bought....has a new feature in it, which goes on line at regular times and seeks out new drivers for the equipment the computer has..and downloads them like windows does it's updates.... It has kept my two HP system running great... it is a wonder that Dell doesn't do the same.

I am glad you are up and running again....

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Oct 13, 2011 20:52:22   #
Annabelle
 
hflare wrote:
dongrant wrote:
hflare wrote:
You might consider upgrading your window version...The blue screen of death in windows (is it's nick name) has been eliminated with some of the later windows programs.
I have not seen the blue screen of death in years on most of the systems I have worked on....

As your system is booting up and prior to you seeing the windows logo...tap the F8 key and it will take you into a menu option of booting up in a different mode...look on the list of choices and see if there is one which saids, "start with the last configuration that worked" and high light that one and and let it boot up...it will continue to boot up with that configuration from then on... good luck..
You might consider upgrading your window version..... (show quote)


I beg to differ. I am running Windows 7 and as recently as a couple of weeks ago I would get intermittent blue screens of death. I am sure that it was the blue screen of death, having work of a software company of 10 years as the senior QA analysis. It was my job to known. I my recent case of blue screen I found it to be a MS service patch had been downloaded to the PC for a service that I did not need so I disabled the service. WMPNetworkSvc. The problem disappeared. I had previously tried the revert of previous config that you describe, but the problems would still intermittently occur.
quote=hflare You might consider upgrading your wi... (show quote)


Yes there is the general rule and then there is the exception to the general rule..... I personally have not seen it in the last three windows os releases..and I work on computer every day...
quote=dongrant quote=hflare You might consider u... (show quote)


Well I saw it 4 times yesterday and twice today, so I assure you it is alive and well in Windows 7 Home Premium and I would guess in every other version of Windows as well. Windows NEVER cleans up the old programming, it's all one hack over another. Sloppiest programming on earth and so successful, too.

Before that, I hadn't seen it in years. You just need the right kind of problem, it would seem.

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Oct 13, 2011 21:03:41   #
dongrant Loc: Earth, I think!
 
Annabelle wrote:
hflare wrote:
dongrant wrote:
hflare wrote:
You might consider upgrading your window version...The blue screen of death in windows (is it's nick name) has been eliminated with some of the later windows programs.
I have not seen the blue screen of death in years on most of the systems I have worked on....

As your system is booting up and prior to you seeing the windows logo...tap the F8 key and it will take you into a menu option of booting up in a different mode...look on the list of choices and see if there is one which saids, "start with the last configuration that worked" and high light that one and and let it boot up...it will continue to boot up with that configuration from then on... good luck..
You might consider upgrading your window version..... (show quote)


I beg to differ. I am running Windows 7 and as recently as a couple of weeks ago I would get intermittent blue screens of death. I am sure that it was the blue screen of death, having work of a software company of 10 years as the senior QA analysis. It was my job to known. I my recent case of blue screen I found it to be a MS service patch had been downloaded to the PC for a service that I did not need so I disabled the service. WMPNetworkSvc. The problem disappeared. I had previously tried the revert of previous config that you describe, but the problems would still intermittently occur.
quote=hflare You might consider upgrading your wi... (show quote)


Yes there is the general rule and then there is the exception to the general rule..... I personally have not seen it in the last three windows os releases..and I work on computer every day...
quote=dongrant quote=hflare You might consider u... (show quote)


Well I saw it 4 times yesterday and twice today, so I assure you it is alive and well in Windows 7 Home Premium and I would guess in every other version of Windows as well. Windows NEVER cleans up the old programming, it's all one hack over another. Sloppiest programming on earth and so successful, too.

Before that, I hadn't seen it in years. You just need the right kind of problem, it would seem.
quote=hflare quote=dongrant quote=hflare You mi... (show quote)


Hflare As I said early I run Windows 7 and have seen a number of blue screens and after Googling the error message found in the event log i found that the failure in Windows 7 is not uncommon. That combined with over 40 years in computers of one type or another I can tell you that given enough time and conditions any complex system will fail. Windows still fails and like all OS always will. Your computer experience must be very limited for you to believe otherwise.

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Oct 13, 2011 21:58:08   #
Annabelle
 
dongrant wrote:
Annabelle wrote:
hflare wrote:
dongrant wrote:
hflare wrote:
You might consider upgrading your window version...The blue screen of death in windows (is it's nick name) has been eliminated with some of the later windows programs.
I have not seen the blue screen of death in years on most of the systems I have worked on....

As your system is booting up and prior to you seeing the windows logo...tap the F8 key and it will take you into a menu option of booting up in a different mode...look on the list of choices and see if there is one which saids, "start with the last configuration that worked" and high light that one and and let it boot up...it will continue to boot up with that configuration from then on... good luck..
You might consider upgrading your window version..... (show quote)


I beg to differ. I am running Windows 7 and as recently as a couple of weeks ago I would get intermittent blue screens of death. I am sure that it was the blue screen of death, having work of a software company of 10 years as the senior QA analysis. It was my job to known. I my recent case of blue screen I found it to be a MS service patch had been downloaded to the PC for a service that I did not need so I disabled the service. WMPNetworkSvc. The problem disappeared. I had previously tried the revert of previous config that you describe, but the problems would still intermittently occur.
quote=hflare You might consider upgrading your wi... (show quote)


Yes there is the general rule and then there is the exception to the general rule..... I personally have not seen it in the last three windows os releases..and I work on computer every day...
quote=dongrant quote=hflare You might consider u... (show quote)


Well I saw it 4 times yesterday and twice today, so I assure you it is alive and well in Windows 7 Home Premium and I would guess in every other version of Windows as well. Windows NEVER cleans up the old programming, it's all one hack over another. Sloppiest programming on earth and so successful, too.

Before that, I hadn't seen it in years. You just need the right kind of problem, it would seem.
quote=hflare quote=dongrant quote=hflare You mi... (show quote)


Hflare As I said early I run Windows 7 and have seen a number of blue screens and after Googling the error message found in the event log i found that the failure in Windows 7 is not uncommon. That combined with over 40 years in computers of one type or another I can tell you that given enough time and conditions any complex system will fail. Windows still fails and like all OS always will. Your computer experience must be very limited for you to believe otherwise.
quote=Annabelle quote=hflare quote=dongrant qu... (show quote)


LOL. I've been a tech writer since 1982. I've had computers fail. As a QA tester, I've forced them to fail. But Windows IS a hack over DOS and everyone knows it. They do NOT clean up their code which means that everything that ever existed in windows is still somewhere in there, right up to and including typos and misspellings on menus from the original Windows.

But since that's what I use, I deal with it. This computer is new and has already needed multiple re-installations of the OS , had a hard drive failure and replacement ... and I just bought it in March. I've run computers run for years under heavy loads with lots fewer problems than this. My previous one is an 8 year old Dell and still running fine, it just moved downstairs to my daughter in law.

I like Win7. It's got issues, but over all, I think it's moving in the right direction. I think it was released before it was ready for prime time. Early adopters got to be beta testers for Microsoft, again. But I didn't buy this computer to prove how good I am with computers.

I want my expensive equipment to work. I bought the best computer I could afford. Lots of memory, plenty of HD, quad processing, big high def touch screen, all wireless.

I am not having fun. So I want Dell to fix it so I can enjoy using it, or replace it. This is MY tomorrow. I am not going to spend my days battling with technology. Call me crazy, but I figure when I buy an expensive computer, it should run.

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Oct 14, 2011 06:55:45   #
hflare Loc: Florida
 
dongrant wrote:
Annabelle wrote:
hflare wrote:
dongrant wrote:
hflare wrote:
You might consider upgrading your window version...The blue screen of death in windows (is it's nick name) has been eliminated with some of the later windows programs.
I have not seen the blue screen of death in years on most of the systems I have worked on....

As your system is booting up and prior to you seeing the windows logo...tap the F8 key and it will take you into a menu option of booting up in a different mode...look on the list of choices and see if there is one which saids, "start with the last configuration that worked" and high light that one and and let it boot up...it will continue to boot up with that configuration from then on... good luck..
You might consider upgrading your window version..... (show quote)


I beg to differ. I am running Windows 7 and as recently as a couple of weeks ago I would get intermittent blue screens of death. I am sure that it was the blue screen of death, having work of a software company of 10 years as the senior QA analysis. It was my job to known. I my recent case of blue screen I found it to be a MS service patch had been downloaded to the PC for a service that I did not need so I disabled the service. WMPNetworkSvc. The problem disappeared. I had previously tried the revert of previous config that you describe, but the problems would still intermittently occur.
quote=hflare You might consider upgrading your wi... (show quote)


Yes there is the general rule and then there is the exception to the general rule..... I personally have not seen it in the last three windows os releases..and I work on computer every day...
quote=dongrant quote=hflare You might consider u... (show quote)


Well I saw it 4 times yesterday and twice today, so I assure you it is alive and well in Windows 7 Home Premium and I would guess in every other version of Windows as well. Windows NEVER cleans up the old programming, it's all one hack over another. Sloppiest programming on earth and so successful, too.

Before that, I hadn't seen it in years. You just need the right kind of problem, it would seem.
quote=hflare quote=dongrant quote=hflare You mi... (show quote)


Hflare As I said early I run Windows 7 and have seen a number of blue screens and after Googling the error message found in the event log i found that the failure in Windows 7 is not uncommon. That combined with over 40 years in computers of one type or another I can tell you that given enough time and conditions any complex system will fail. Windows still fails and like all OS always will. Your computer experience must be very limited for you to believe otherwise.
quote=Annabelle quote=hflare quote=dongrant qu... (show quote)


Perhaps we are thinking of two different blue screens... there was the old blue screen of death... which was the whole system would stop operating..there has always been blue screens which would indicate a problem but the system would still function with notices of errors....
I have never seen a blue screen of death for a lack of a software driver alone...

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