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Oct 16, 2011 14:15:36   #
Annabelle
 
dongrant wrote:
gessman wrote:
vallabh1 wrote:
Why talk down on people who use MACs. First you say not to badmouth people with PC problems then you go around and bad mouth MAC users.

Sorry to see people have PC issues but I spend more time repairing PCs than One MAC in 12years of IT issues. People have their own opinions and are entitle to them but don't see what does break. I have burnt four PCs since 1992 and have a MAC since 2005. Did replace the HD and graphics card but as they say how you use the is how they work, mine are treated with kid gloves and work fine no bad sites are visited and I have a robust workout on my MAC when it comes to photos since I shoot over 25k over a weekend. Post production gives the computer a good workout since uploading to lab and other sites take a lot of processing power.

My take.
Why talk down on people who use MACs. First you sa... (show quote)


au contraire, dear person. My comments were not aimed at people. They were aimed at the idea that buying a Mac was an alternative to having the problems inherent in the ownership of ANY computer. It is the Mac people who are smugly disillusioned and lulled to sleep with the idea that they are safe and secure by their ill-informed choice to own one. NOW, I have attacked Mac owners and therefore will be guilty as charged.
quote=vallabh1 Why talk down on people who use MA... (show quote)


Well Gessman, if they are going to hang for attacking disillusioned Mac owners they are going to burn me alive. And it will probability smell bad. Because I will question anyone that tries to convince anybody to buy a Mac, Windows PC, Linux system, Nikon, Canon... whatever base on their personal preference. We should get what fits our needs, budget, other personal requirements, of which only the user him/her self can possibility be aware of. As I used to tell people when they would ask what kind of kayak that they should get (I used to kayak...a lot), you don't let someone else pick your underwear don't let them pick your ... . Sorry about the crudeness, but some people just don't get it. There is no way any for us can possibility know what best fits someone else's needs. We can make reasonable recommendations, as most do by saying "I like my ..." but to say "you need a ...", "the ... is the only choice" etc is totally absurd :-).
quote=gessman quote=vallabh1 Why talk down on pe... (show quote)


Thank you.

The point of solutions is that it is a PLURAL. There is and I sure hope always WILL be options: we CHOOSE our system, whether it's a camera or a computer. We are free to choose.

We are entitled to our opinions and everyone is entitled to disagree. I appreciate suggestions, but I resent being pushed. Sure I get upset when there are problems with my computer, don't you?

I'm kind of proud that I doped out the problem and solved it. Okay, I caused it in the first place (my bad) ... but that can happen on any system: UNIX, LINUX, Windows, Mac. I've worked on every system you can think of, a bunch of which no longer exist and you can blow it on any and any of them can fail.

I worked for a guy who had his Ph.D. from MIT. He was the best boss ever. The company ran PCs as work stations, but all the servers were UNIX boxes. The UNIX boxes were absolutely problem free. They never needed so much as a reboot. But they totally lack user-friendly stuff you get with PC and Mac. If you decided to delete something, like the contents of your hard drive, it would just go right ahead and delete it ... no "Are you sure you want to do that?" He pointed out that for all of its advantages, a UNIX system was NOT for end users. Ditto LINUX. Most of us need a few prompts to keep us from doing something stupid.

My first computer (in this country) was a Mac. It was tiny and primitive, but Windows was not viable at that point (in my opinion) and the place I worked ran DEC servers which were compatible with a Mac OS.

The first thing I did when setting up my brand new computer was accidentally delete the operating system.That's how I first learned how to install an operating system.

Screwing up has nothing to do with which system you are running. Human error happens.

There's is nothing inherent in a Mac that would have prevented me from updating a driver and destabilizing the system. If I did the same thing on a Mac, I would have had the same result.

By the way, the one thing I did NOT do was slam Macs or Mac users. It's the smugness that aggravates me.

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Oct 16, 2011 14:22:33   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
[quote=Annabelle][quote=gessman][quote=Annabelle][quote=gessman][quote=dongrant]
Phyllis wrote:

Macs are fine machines, especially good for film editing and graphics design. They are the mainstay of every television station's editing room and are the best machines for that purpose. I never suggest that Mac users should go buy a PC. Choice is GOOD.


Many years ago, when mac was trying to find a niche because pcs had the business environment sewed up, macs were superior with video and other graphics. I would question that at this point however. I've been doing video with my 5D MkII, 1080p and burning it to blu ray. I'd heard about Final Cut Pro and mac's ability to "do it." I borrowed my son's mac to see how much superior it was with video. What I found is that Final Cut Pro lacked features that were essential and available to me in Pinnacle 14 and the mac itself choked on the job. My experience within the last year with this makes me believe that mac may have lost its edge.

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Oct 16, 2011 14:28:41   #
Annabelle
 
[quote=gessman][quote=Annabelle][quote=gessman][quote=Annabelle][quote=gessman]
dongrant wrote:
Phyllis wrote:

Macs are fine machines, especially good for film editing and graphics design. They are the mainstay of every television station's editing room and are the best machines for that purpose. I never suggest that Mac users should go buy a PC. Choice is GOOD.


Many years ago, when mac was trying to find a niche because pcs had the business environment sewed up, macs were superior with video and other graphics. I would question that at this point however. I've been doing video with my 5D MkII, 1080p and burning it to blu ray. I'd heard about Final Cut Pro and mac's ability to "do it." I borrowed my son's mac to see how much superior it was with video. What I found is that Final Cut Pro lacked features that were essential and available to me in Pinnacle 14 and the mac itself choked on the job. My experience within the last year with this makes me believe that mac may have lost its edge.
quote=Phyllis br Macs are fine machines, especia... (show quote)


The editing machines they use in TV stations are not home user machines. There are much more powerful and the software is not the same, either.

Some years ago, Mac was WYSIWYG and PC wasn't. That's not true anymore. But a lot ... maybe most ... graphic artists prefer the Mac, maybe because there is specific software available not available for PC. Or maybe, like me, they have tons of files in that format and changing would not make any sense.

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Oct 16, 2011 14:31:11   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
Annabelle wrote:
dongrant wrote:
gessman wrote:
vallabh1 wrote:
Why talk down on people who use MACs. First you say not to badmouth people with PC problems then you go around and bad mouth MAC users.

Sorry to see people have PC issues but I spend more time repairing PCs than One MAC in 12years of IT issues. People have their own opinions and are entitle to them but don't see what does break. I have burnt four PCs since 1992 and have a MAC since 2005. Did replace the HD and graphics card but as they say how you use the is how they work, mine are treated with kid gloves and work fine no bad sites are visited and I have a robust workout on my MAC when it comes to photos since I shoot over 25k over a weekend. Post production gives the computer a good workout since uploading to lab and other sites take a lot of processing power.

My take.
Why talk down on people who use MACs. First you sa... (show quote)


au contraire, dear person. My comments were not aimed at people. They were aimed at the idea that buying a Mac was an alternative to having the problems inherent in the ownership of ANY computer. It is the Mac people who are smugly disillusioned and lulled to sleep with the idea that they are safe and secure by their ill-informed choice to own one. NOW, I have attacked Mac owners and therefore will be guilty as charged.
quote=vallabh1 Why talk down on people who use MA... (show quote)


Well Gessman, if they are going to hang for attacking disillusioned Mac owners they are going to burn me alive. And it will probability smell bad. Because I will question anyone that tries to convince anybody to buy a Mac, Windows PC, Linux system, Nikon, Canon... whatever base on their personal preference. We should get what fits our needs, budget, other personal requirements, of which only the user him/her self can possibility be aware of. As I used to tell people when they would ask what kind of kayak that they should get (I used to kayak...a lot), you don't let someone else pick your underwear don't let them pick your ... . Sorry about the crudeness, but some people just don't get it. There is no way any for us can possibility know what best fits someone else's needs. We can make reasonable recommendations, as most do by saying "I like my ..." but to say "you need a ...", "the ... is the only choice" etc is totally absurd :-).
quote=gessman quote=vallabh1 Why talk down on pe... (show quote)


Thank you.

The point of solutions is that it is a PLURAL. There is and I sure hope always WILL be options: we CHOOSE our system, whether it's a camera or a computer. We are free to choose.

We are entitled to our opinions and everyone is entitled to disagree. I appreciate suggestions, but I resent being pushed. Sure I get upset when there are problems with my computer, don't you?

I'm kind of proud that I doped out the problem and solved it. Okay, I caused it in the first place (my bad) ... but that can happen on any system: UNIX, LINUX, Windows, Mac. I've worked on every system you can think of, a bunch of which no longer exist and you can blow it on any and any of them can fail.

I worked for a guy who had his Ph.D. from MIT. He was the best boss ever. The company ran PCs as work stations, but all the servers were UNIX boxes. The UNIX boxes were absolutely problem free. They never needed so much as a reboot. But they totally lack user-friendly stuff you get with PC and Mac. If you decided to delete something, like the contents of your hard drive, it would just go right ahead and delete it ... no "Are you sure you want to do that?" He pointed out that for all of its advantages, a UNIX system was NOT for end users. Ditto LINUX. Most of us need a few prompts to keep us from doing something stupid.

My first computer (in this country) was a Mac. It was tiny and primitive, but Windows was not viable at that point (in my opinion) and the place I worked ran DEC servers which were compatible with a Mac OS.

The first thing I did when setting up my brand new computer was accidentally delete the operating system.That's how I first learned how to install an operating system.

Screwing up has nothing to do with which system you are running. Human error happens.

There's is nothing inherent in a Mac that would have prevented me from updating a driver and destabilizing the system. If I did the same thing on a Mac, I would have had the same result.

By the way, the one thing I did NOT do was slam Macs or Mac users. It's the smugness that aggravates me.
quote=dongrant quote=gessman quote=vallabh1 Why... (show quote)


I think what escapes most people is that mac OS is a hybrid built on a unix base which is why it tends to show more stability, like linux. It's the price and when it goes bad that would get me.

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Oct 16, 2011 14:39:22   #
Annabelle
 
gessman wrote:
Annabelle wrote:
dongrant wrote:
gessman wrote:
vallabh1 wrote:
Why talk down on people who use MACs. First you say not to badmouth people with PC problems then you go around and bad mouth MAC users.

Sorry to see people have PC issues but I spend more time repairing PCs than One MAC in 12years of IT issues. People have their own opinions and are entitle to them but don't see what does break. I have burnt four PCs since 1992 and have a MAC since 2005. Did replace the HD and graphics card but as they say how you use the is how they work, mine are treated with kid gloves and work fine no bad sites are visited and I have a robust workout on my MAC when it comes to photos since I shoot over 25k over a weekend. Post production gives the computer a good workout since uploading to lab and other sites take a lot of processing power.

My take.
Why talk down on people who use MACs. First you sa... (show quote)


au contraire, dear person. My comments were not aimed at people. They were aimed at the idea that buying a Mac was an alternative to having the problems inherent in the ownership of ANY computer. It is the Mac people who are smugly disillusioned and lulled to sleep with the idea that they are safe and secure by their ill-informed choice to own one. NOW, I have attacked Mac owners and therefore will be guilty as charged.
quote=vallabh1 Why talk down on people who use MA... (show quote)


Well Gessman, if they are going to hang for attacking disillusioned Mac owners they are going to burn me alive. And it will probability smell bad. Because I will question anyone that tries to convince anybody to buy a Mac, Windows PC, Linux system, Nikon, Canon... whatever base on their personal preference. We should get what fits our needs, budget, other personal requirements, of which only the user him/her self can possibility be aware of. As I used to tell people when they would ask what kind of kayak that they should get (I used to kayak...a lot), you don't let someone else pick your underwear don't let them pick your ... . Sorry about the crudeness, but some people just don't get it. There is no way any for us can possibility know what best fits someone else's needs. We can make reasonable recommendations, as most do by saying "I like my ..." but to say "you need a ...", "the ... is the only choice" etc is totally absurd :-).
quote=gessman quote=vallabh1 Why talk down on pe... (show quote)


Thank you.

The point of solutions is that it is a PLURAL. There is and I sure hope always WILL be options: we CHOOSE our system, whether it's a camera or a computer. We are free to choose.

We are entitled to our opinions and everyone is entitled to disagree. I appreciate suggestions, but I resent being pushed. Sure I get upset when there are problems with my computer, don't you?

I'm kind of proud that I doped out the problem and solved it. Okay, I caused it in the first place (my bad) ... but that can happen on any system: UNIX, LINUX, Windows, Mac. I've worked on every system you can think of, a bunch of which no longer exist and you can blow it on any and any of them can fail.

I worked for a guy who had his Ph.D. from MIT. He was the best boss ever. The company ran PCs as work stations, but all the servers were UNIX boxes. The UNIX boxes were absolutely problem free. They never needed so much as a reboot. But they totally lack user-friendly stuff you get with PC and Mac. If you decided to delete something, like the contents of your hard drive, it would just go right ahead and delete it ... no "Are you sure you want to do that?" He pointed out that for all of its advantages, a UNIX system was NOT for end users. Ditto LINUX. Most of us need a few prompts to keep us from doing something stupid.

My first computer (in this country) was a Mac. It was tiny and primitive, but Windows was not viable at that point (in my opinion) and the place I worked ran DEC servers which were compatible with a Mac OS.

The first thing I did when setting up my brand new computer was accidentally delete the operating system.That's how I first learned how to install an operating system.

Screwing up has nothing to do with which system you are running. Human error happens.

There's is nothing inherent in a Mac that would have prevented me from updating a driver and destabilizing the system. If I did the same thing on a Mac, I would have had the same result.

By the way, the one thing I did NOT do was slam Macs or Mac users. It's the smugness that aggravates me.
quote=dongrant quote=gessman quote=vallabh1 Why... (show quote)


I think what escapes most people is that mac OS is a hybrid built on a unix base which is why it tends to show more stability, like linux. It's the price and when it goes bad that would get me.
quote=Annabelle quote=dongrant quote=gessman q... (show quote)


Yes, those were the deciding factors for me, plus the fact that pretty much all my clients used PCs.

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Oct 16, 2011 14:46:41   #
dongrant Loc: Earth, I think!
 
[quote=Annabelle][quote=gessman][quote=Annabelle][quote=gessman][quote=Annabelle]
gessman wrote:
dongrant wrote:
Phyllis wrote:

Macs are fine machines, especially good for film editing and graphics design. They are the mainstay of every television station's editing room and are the best machines for that purpose. I never suggest that Mac users should go buy a PC. Choice is GOOD.


Many years ago, when mac was trying to find a niche because pcs had the business environment sewed up, macs were superior with video and other graphics. I would question that at this point however. I've been doing video with my 5D MkII, 1080p and burning it to blu ray. I'd heard about Final Cut Pro and mac's ability to "do it." I borrowed my son's mac to see how much superior it was with video. What I found is that Final Cut Pro lacked features that were essential and available to me in Pinnacle 14 and the mac itself choked on the job. My experience within the last year with this makes me believe that mac may have lost its edge.
quote=Phyllis br Macs are fine machines, especia... (show quote)


The editing machines they use in TV stations are not home user machines. There are much more powerful and the software is not the same, either.

Some years ago, Mac was WYSIWYG and PC wasn't. That's not true anymore. But a lot ... maybe most ... graphic artists prefer the Mac, maybe because there is specific software available not available for PC. Or maybe, like me, they have tons of files in that format and changing would not make any sense.
quote=dongrant quote=Phyllis br Macs are fine m... (show quote)


I don't where my quote is above. Not that it matters. I think that most of us now agree that equipment selection is pretty much a matter of each of us determining our personal needs and trying to find what will best fill those needs. Advice is appreciated but badgering is not. And for my part I hope that each of us is happy with and remains happy with our choices.

"Give me liberty or death!". Que .. patriotic music and flag waving.

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Oct 16, 2011 14:47:59   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
[quote=dongrant][quote=Annabelle][quote=gessman][quote=Annabelle][quote=gessman]
Annabelle wrote:
gessman wrote:
dongrant wrote:
Phyllis wrote:

Macs are fine machines, especially good for film editing and graphics design. They are the mainstay of every television station's editing room and are the best machines for that purpose. I never suggest that Mac users should go buy a PC. Choice is GOOD.


Many years ago, when mac was trying to find a niche because pcs had the business environment sewed up, macs were superior with video and other graphics. I would question that at this point however. I've been doing video with my 5D MkII, 1080p and burning it to blu ray. I'd heard about Final Cut Pro and mac's ability to "do it." I borrowed my son's mac to see how much superior it was with video. What I found is that Final Cut Pro lacked features that were essential and available to me in Pinnacle 14 and the mac itself choked on the job. My experience within the last year with this makes me believe that mac may have lost its edge.
quote=Phyllis br Macs are fine machines, especia... (show quote)


The editing machines they use in TV stations are not home user machines. There are much more powerful and the software is not the same, either.

Some years ago, Mac was WYSIWYG and PC wasn't. That's not true anymore. But a lot ... maybe most ... graphic artists prefer the Mac, maybe because there is specific software available not available for PC. Or maybe, like me, they have tons of files in that format and changing would not make any sense.
quote=dongrant quote=Phyllis br Macs are fine m... (show quote)


I don't where my quote is above. Not that it matters. I think that most of us now agree that equipment selection is pretty much a matter of each of us determining our personal needs and trying to find what will best fill those needs. Advice is appreciated but badgering is not. And for my part I hope that each of us is happy with and remains happy with our choices.

"Give me liberty or death!". Que .. patriotic music and flag waving.
quote=gessman quote=dongrant quote=Phyllis br ... (show quote)


right on~!

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Oct 16, 2011 14:48:47   #
Annabelle
 
[quote=dongrant][quote=Annabelle][quote=gessman][quote=Annabelle][quote=gessman]
Annabelle wrote:
gessman wrote:
dongrant wrote:
Phyllis wrote:

Macs are fine machines, especially good for film editing and graphics design. They are the mainstay of every television station's editing room and are the best machines for that purpose. I never suggest that Mac users should go buy a PC. Choice is GOOD.


Many years ago, when mac was trying to find a niche because pcs had the business environment sewed up, macs were superior with video and other graphics. I would question that at this point however. I've been doing video with my 5D MkII, 1080p and burning it to blu ray. I'd heard about Final Cut Pro and mac's ability to "do it." I borrowed my son's mac to see how much superior it was with video. What I found is that Final Cut Pro lacked features that were essential and available to me in Pinnacle 14 and the mac itself choked on the job. My experience within the last year with this makes me believe that mac may have lost its edge.
quote=Phyllis br Macs are fine machines, especia... (show quote)


The editing machines they use in TV stations are not home user machines. There are much more powerful and the software is not the same, either.

Some years ago, Mac was WYSIWYG and PC wasn't. That's not true anymore. But a lot ... maybe most ... graphic artists prefer the Mac, maybe because there is specific software available not available for PC. Or maybe, like me, they have tons of files in that format and changing would not make any sense.
quote=dongrant quote=Phyllis br Macs are fine m... (show quote)


I don't where my quote is above. Not that it matters. I think that most of us now agree that equipment selection is pretty much a matter of each of us determining our personal needs and trying to find what will best fill those needs. Advice is appreciated but badgering is not. And for my part I hope that each of us is happy with and remains happy with our choices.

"Give me liberty or death!". Que .. patriotic music and flag waving.
quote=gessman quote=dongrant quote=Phyllis br ... (show quote)


Here here.

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Oct 16, 2011 22:05:22   #
hflare Loc: Florida
 
Annabelle wrote:
hflare wrote:
Annabelle wrote:


Ok, here goes:

Windows 7 Home Premium
Inspiron One 2305 Toucnscreen
23" HD Monitor
AMD Athlon II X4610e Process, 2.40 GB (Quad)
RAM: 8.00 GB
64-bit Operating System
Touch Input
Video: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470
TV: AVerMedia A3336 MiniCard Hybrid ATS/QAM
Audio: Realtek High Definition Audio
HD: 1 TB IDE SATA
DVD/CD ROM drives: HL-DT DVDRWBD

And there are wireless adapters, other devices, and more inputs including infrared receives and television capability, most of which I don't use.

The trick was getting the information from the blue screen so I knew what area the problem occupied. I finally got the code:

0X0000016 (I may have the number of zeroes wrong).

I punched THAT into Google and learned that this indicated a problem with the video card, which I had suspected already.

I went to the Dell driver download website. I punched in my computer's service tag and a list of drivers for my computer appeared.

I opened the Video section and selected two for download: the primary driver for the card and another for the TV tuner that is built into the computer. I installed them. I also downloaded and installed the IR driver since that had failed too.

I noticed immediately that what Dell was urgently recommending were NOT the newer drivers my update software had installed, but the original driver published more than a year ago.

I rebooted the computer and it has been fine since. The moral of the story really is:

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

The newest version of the driver is NOT necessarily the best one. I really should have known that, so it was my own fault. I wish I could blame someone else, but it seems to be me who is to blame.

Although this computer is a desktop, it really is at its heart, a laptop. It uses pretty much entirely laptop components in a typical laptop configuration with all the same limitations that attach to a laptop. The All-In-One design is very compact.

You might consider this something of a hybrid. It's a delight when it is running right. Then I remember why I was so happy to get it.
br br Ok, here goes: br br Windows 7 Home Premi... (show quote)


Goodness sakes... I went online in search of that particular video card..and it is from UK and has over sixteen different types of drivers for the


They list them from one to sixteen versions under that particular name of video card...Goodness no wonder you had difficulties in trying to get a new and "correct" driver for it...

ATI stated that they do not provide any drivers for the card..one has to go to the manufactor..of your system. in your case being Dell..and dell had the same sixteen choices for one to make..


But other than that craziness.. your description of the computer indicates it is one heck of a machine...
But one thing funny about the ATI sight..they list that monitor as a laptop one.. guess it is closer to being one than a PC...

I have installed windows 7 on many of a machine which did not have any previous operating system..and win 7 has always put in excellent drivers for everything in the system... I think if it was me..and I would only install a new driver from windows 7 installation disc..and not add new ones from the web alone..
but that is me..as I hate to be frustrated over systems that give me problems.. smile..


Thank you so much for taking the time to write all of that down for me.. I was so curious as to what had happened to your system... I just really wanted to know..and I certainly appreciate your time and kindness for doing it for me..

I would imagine you have had enough of this issue already...

PAX
Bro. Monte..
quote=Annabelle br br Ok, here goes: br br Win... (show quote)


I DID go the the manufacturer of my computer: Dell. The drive on the website is the right driver. I should never have 'updated' drivers. Several drivers that got installed were clearly either the wrong ones or not versions that work with this system.

Yes, it IS listed as a laptop, but it isn't. As I said: it's a hybrid. It's a beautiful machine to use and wonderful for editing photographs ... that 23" high def monitor is gorgeous.

It is humbling to realize that I did it all by myself reminding me that no matter how much you think you know, it cannot save you from mistakes, accidents and folly.
quote=hflare quote=Annabelle br br Ok, here go... (show quote)


Yes, I went to the Dell sight and ran the name and model number of your video card you had written down in your system's list.....

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470.

and dell showed a list of sixteen drivers for that exact card...but each one had a 1 to 16 version number by it.... and there wasn't any explanation as to what each version difference was for....

How in the world did you find the right driver? smile...

I hope that I don't have to be in that situation.....

I do not have an opinion regarding the difference between a PC and a Mac system..as I have never used a Mac...but I have access to a number of older donated computers in my position and I have a few older PC's set up... I normally run two basic programs... one for the internet and one for photo editing..

I have run one windows program alone.. no other program installed on it... for email and internet information plus
going to two forums... this one and one other one..

The second system I have a windows installed with one photo editing program on it.....

I have few problems.... smile.....

I have some external drives to keep my extra files and try to keep my system's hard drive/s as clean as possible..

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Oct 16, 2011 22:40:42   #
Annabelle
 
hflare wrote:
Annabelle wrote:
hflare wrote:
Annabelle wrote:


Ok, here goes:

Windows 7 Home Premium
Inspiron One 2305 Toucnscreen
23" HD Monitor
AMD Athlon II X4610e Process, 2.40 GB (Quad)
RAM: 8.00 GB
64-bit Operating System
Touch Input
Video: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470
TV: AVerMedia A3336 MiniCard Hybrid ATS/QAM
Audio: Realtek High Definition Audio
HD: 1 TB IDE SATA
DVD/CD ROM drives: HL-DT DVDRWBD

And there are wireless adapters, other devices, and more inputs including infrared receives and television capability, most of which I don't use.

The trick was getting the information from the blue screen so I knew what area the problem occupied. I finally got the code:

0X0000016 (I may have the number of zeroes wrong).

I punched THAT into Google and learned that this indicated a problem with the video card, which I had suspected already.

I went to the Dell driver download website. I punched in my computer's service tag and a list of drivers for my computer appeared.

I opened the Video section and selected two for download: the primary driver for the card and another for the TV tuner that is built into the computer. I installed them. I also downloaded and installed the IR driver since that had failed too.

I noticed immediately that what Dell was urgently recommending were NOT the newer drivers my update software had installed, but the original driver published more than a year ago.

I rebooted the computer and it has been fine since. The moral of the story really is:

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

The newest version of the driver is NOT necessarily the best one. I really should have known that, so it was my own fault. I wish I could blame someone else, but it seems to be me who is to blame.

Although this computer is a desktop, it really is at its heart, a laptop. It uses pretty much entirely laptop components in a typical laptop configuration with all the same limitations that attach to a laptop. The All-In-One design is very compact.

You might consider this something of a hybrid. It's a delight when it is running right. Then I remember why I was so happy to get it.
br br Ok, here goes: br br Windows 7 Home Premi... (show quote)


Goodness sakes... I went online in search of that particular video card..and it is from UK and has over sixteen different types of drivers for the


They list them from one to sixteen versions under that particular name of video card...Goodness no wonder you had difficulties in trying to get a new and "correct" driver for it...

ATI stated that they do not provide any drivers for the card..one has to go to the manufactor..of your system. in your case being Dell..and dell had the same sixteen choices for one to make..


But other than that craziness.. your description of the computer indicates it is one heck of a machine...
But one thing funny about the ATI sight..they list that monitor as a laptop one.. guess it is closer to being one than a PC...

I have installed windows 7 on many of a machine which did not have any previous operating system..and win 7 has always put in excellent drivers for everything in the system... I think if it was me..and I would only install a new driver from windows 7 installation disc..and not add new ones from the web alone..
but that is me..as I hate to be frustrated over systems that give me problems.. smile..


Thank you so much for taking the time to write all of that down for me.. I was so curious as to what had happened to your system... I just really wanted to know..and I certainly appreciate your time and kindness for doing it for me..

I would imagine you have had enough of this issue already...

PAX
Bro. Monte..
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I DID go the the manufacturer of my computer: Dell. The drive on the website is the right driver. I should never have 'updated' drivers. Several drivers that got installed were clearly either the wrong ones or not versions that work with this system.

Yes, it IS listed as a laptop, but it isn't. As I said: it's a hybrid. It's a beautiful machine to use and wonderful for editing photographs ... that 23" high def monitor is gorgeous.

It is humbling to realize that I did it all by myself reminding me that no matter how much you think you know, it cannot save you from mistakes, accidents and folly.
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Yes, I went to the Dell sight and ran the name and model number of your video card you had written down in your system's list.....

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470.

and dell showed a list of sixteen drivers for that exact card...but each one had a 1 to 16 version number by it.... and there wasn't any explanation as to what each version difference was for....

How in the world did you find the right driver? smile...

I hope that I don't have to be in that situation.....

I do not have an opinion regarding the difference between a PC and a Mac system..as I have never used a Mac...but I have access to a number of older donated computers in my position and I have a few older PC's set up... I normally run two basic programs... one for the internet and one for photo editing..

I have run one windows program alone.. no other program installed on it... for email and internet information plus
going to two forums... this one and one other one..

The second system I have a windows installed with one photo editing program on it.....

I have few problems.... smile.....

I have some external drives to keep my extra files and try to keep my system's hard drive/s as clean as possible..
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It was easy. You enter your own computer's service tag number, then the list of servers for YOUR specific system comes up. Pick the one you need, download it, install it. Couldn't be simpler.

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Oct 18, 2011 20:20:15   #
lostjohn Loc: Evansville,Indiana
 
I Read Somewere That We All Are Beta Testing For Microsoft

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Oct 18, 2011 20:49:17   #
Annabelle
 
lostjohn wrote:
I Read Somewere That We All Are Beta Testing For Microsoft


We are; that's how they get away with putting out new operating systems without fully testing them. They don't have to. We do it for them.

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Oct 19, 2011 06:30:31   #
hflare Loc: Florida
 
Annabelle wrote:
lostjohn wrote:
I Read Somewere That We All Are Beta Testing For Microsoft


We are; that's how they get away with putting out new operating systems without fully testing them. They don't have to. We do it for them.


I have a feeling that it is the same for Microsoft's operating systems. I am a retired teacher in an University. Each time Windows releases a new version they offer the students who have a college ID the program for the cost of shipping.

The students use them and I think that is where Microsoft learns how to update them. I know that hundreds of students at the college where I am at order them and use them.

Seems to me, that some of these put together systems from all the major brands ought to give so many of them away for certain people to test them at no cost to the tester...

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Oct 19, 2011 06:56:25   #
dongrant Loc: Earth, I think!
 
hflare wrote:
Annabelle wrote:
lostjohn wrote:
I Read Somewere That We All Are Beta Testing For Microsoft


We are; that's how they get away with putting out new operating systems without fully testing them. They don't have to. We do it for them.


I have a feeling that it is the same for Microsoft's operating systems. I am a retired teacher in an University. Each time Windows releases a new version they offer the students who have a college ID the program for the cost of shipping.

The students use them and I think that is where Microsoft learns how to update them. I know that hundreds of students at the college where I am at order them and use them.

Seems to me, that some of these put together systems from all the major brands ought to give so many of them away for certain people to test them at no cost to the tester...
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Dream on. What are those meds that the doctor has you on?

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Oct 19, 2011 10:47:39   #
Annabelle
 
hflare wrote:
Annabelle wrote:
lostjohn wrote:
I Read Somewere That We All Are Beta Testing For Microsoft


We are; that's how they get away with putting out new operating systems without fully testing them. They don't have to. We do it for them.


I have a feeling that it is the same for Microsoft's operating systems. I am a retired teacher in an University. Each time Windows releases a new version they offer the students who have a college ID the program for the cost of shipping.

The students use them and I think that is where Microsoft learns how to update them. I know that hundreds of students at the college where I am at order them and use them.

Seems to me, that some of these put together systems from all the major brands ought to give so many of them away for certain people to test them at no cost to the tester...
quote=Annabelle quote=lostjohn I Read Somewere T... (show quote)


They do. My son used to be a beta tester for them ... instead of professionals who get paid, they get millions (literally) of users to do it. Then they release it, and to a degree, we are ALL beta testers, but we pay for the privilege. Cute trick. Keeps profits up.

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